Post/Author/DateTime	Post
bertman4 05-01-07, 02:57 PM	I just wanted to confirm that Byeshk and othe special materials listed in the Eberron Campaign Setting Book are not like Adamantine or Mithral in that they are not automatically masterwork. In other words, if I wanted to make a masterwork warhammer out of Byeshk, then I would have to pay 12 gp for the warhammer, 300 gp for masterwork, and 1500 gp for Byeshk. Same with the other materials listed, such as bronzewood, flametouched iron, etc. Thanks for clarification. Bertman
Nundahl 05-01-07, 03:17 PM	That's an interesting point ... I've been playing them (as a DM) that they are automatically masterwork ... but quite potentially they are not ... Great Scott you may be right! Well ... not really a big deal, but it would be nice to know I suppose.
rabidclipper 05-01-07, 03:55 PM	I would leave them masterwork, myself, as they are generally listed as being hard to work with (byeshk, for example) and requiring some fairly pain in the ass processes to work properly (flametouched iron). I mena, 1500 gp for a +1 to damage only on blunt weapons that doesn't stack with magical enhancement? and bypassing a damage reduction that is relatively rare outside of a single type (aberrations)... compared to how common cold iron or silver DR is... I would say MW is included.. just my 2 cp though...
Euangelion 05-02-07, 01:47 AM	But cold iron isn't automatically masterwork, right? I'd recommend going with the description of the particular special material in question. If it says it is automatically masterwork, then it is. If it doesn't, then it isn't. In the end, however, it's always your game and not mine. Making it auto masterwork probably won't break a game.
Hideous Phidias 05-02-07, 02:48 AM	The rule ofthumb is you look at the cost of the item. If making an item out of the special material cost the same or more then making it master work the the item is of master work quility be vertue of being made out of the special material. If the cost is less the being master work quality then the two are payed for apart.
Evilmonster 05-02-07, 01:48 PM	It's basically Kryptonite for aberations from Xorat, I just assumed it was so costly because it's so rare. So in my view the masterwork component isn't included in the cost.
ColtFlenn 05-07-07, 07:54 PM	Well, with that thought in mind Evilmonster, because it is a rare item and such a costly component, you would think that if you were gonna make something out of such a metal, you would want to make it good. So i say that it is already masterworked, but you have a very good point. Cheers, Colt Flenn
Balseraph 05-07-07, 09:00 PM	The prices given for weapons of it are a flat addition to the base price, so I would rule at our table that they are not automatically masterwork. I would certainly assume that due to the rarity and difficulty of crafting that most people (particularly House Cannith) would produce them of a superior quality. Yonder primitive tribe with long memories and longer hatred of aberrations might not be able to do much more than hammer a lump of byeshk flat and try to sharpen it a bit on a rock before tying it to a stick! Err, yeah - there's my reasoning anyway :)
Vharuck 05-07-07, 11:57 PM	In the Explorer's Handbook, a masterwork byeshk longsword is listed as being 1812 gp (I'm iffy about the last two digits), meaning that the byeshk price does not include masterwork, which must be done separately.