Fighter PHB2 Question [Archive] - Wizards Community

Fighter PHB2 Question [Archive] - Wizards Community

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wfurlong78
06-12-07, 08:54 AM I dont have the books in front of me so I will try to explain it best I can. Can you use Whirlwind feat and the fighters 16th lvl alt ability that deals double damage together? I think whirlwind feat says while using a full attack action while the alt ability says you have to use a full attack action. can someone clarify this for me?

Also, Can someone clarify if I crit x3 during the double damage ability how that is calculated.. Is it Crit =
2{3(weapon damage + modifier)}

For all you mathmaticians out there sorry if its the correct formula.
retillin
06-12-07, 09:27 AM I dont have the books with me at the moment, but I think all the feats in PHB2 for the fighter (the level dependent ones) are full round actions. So you cant use them together. AndI"m not sure the "offical" ruling, but atleast when we play, if you have a x3 weapon and double it, you only get x4. We only increase the modifier by 1. But that's just us. I'll see if I cant get ahold of my books and check for you tho.
garner_adam
06-12-07, 11:30 AM wfurlong78,

The rules for multiplying are on page 304 of the PHB.

Also, Can someone clarify if I crit x3 during the double damage ability how that is calculated.

The total damage would be x4.
kentonblack
06-12-07, 11:34 AM the ability is gained at 16th level, replacing your fighter bonus feat. it states that as a full round action, you may make one attack at your highest attack bonus. this attack deals double damage(I am assuming that only the weapon and str bonus are doubles, not say, your flaming weapon dice and such) as well, any other attacks you make(say by virtue of cleave or attacks of opportunity) deal double damage.

unfortunately, you wont be able to whirlwind with this, but combo it with combat reflexes and say, a spiked chain, and you have some uber-ness
Cifer
06-12-07, 01:06 PM this attack deals double damage(I am assuming that only the weapon and str bonus are doubles, not say, your flaming weapon dice and such)
Unless the specific instruction of the ability says otherwise, doubling the damage means doubling the damage die of the weapon and every bonus damage that is expressed as a number instead of a die. For example, a mounted paladin who channels a Smite Evil into his flaming +1 lance charge deals (2*(Weapon die + Str bonus + enhancement bonus + smite evil damage)) + (flaming damage).

Further, multipliers are generally added instead of multiplied, meaning a crit (*3) on the lance charge (*2) deals (original 3+(2-1) = ) *4 damage, not *6.
The only time this become a little fuzzy is when power attack kicks in. I'm not quite sure about the official ruling, but we play it such that it's multiplier for weapon size is multiplied with a possible crit.
kentonblack
06-12-07, 06:27 PM yo, summed it up more consiscely than i could(with math too!)
Neutronium_Dragon
06-13-07, 06:49 PM The most common and effective use of that substitution level ability is to combine it with the Robilar's Gambit feat in the same book, thereby getting to take a free double-damage smack at anyone who hits you - every time they hit you.

You just have to make sure that you've got a really good healer backing you up...

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
wfurlong78 06-12-07, 08:54 AM	I dont have the books in front of me so I will try to explain it best I can. Can you use Whirlwind feat and the fighters 16th lvl alt ability that deals double damage together? I think whirlwind feat says while using a full attack action while the alt ability says you have to use a full attack action. can someone clarify this for me? Also, Can someone clarify if I crit x3 during the double damage ability how that is calculated.. Is it Crit = 2{3(weapon damage + modifier)} For all you mathmaticians out there sorry if its the correct formula.
retillin 06-12-07, 09:27 AM	I dont have the books with me at the moment, but I think all the feats in PHB2 for the fighter (the level dependent ones) are full round actions. So you cant use them together. AndI"m not sure the "offical" ruling, but atleast when we play, if you have a x3 weapon and double it, you only get x4. We only increase the modifier by 1. But that's just us. I'll see if I cant get ahold of my books and check for you tho.
garner_adam 06-12-07, 11:30 AM	wfurlong78, The rules for multiplying are on page 304 of the PHB. Also, Can someone clarify if I crit x3 during the double damage ability how that is calculated. The total damage would be x4.
kentonblack 06-12-07, 11:34 AM	the ability is gained at 16th level, replacing your fighter bonus feat. it states that as a full round action, you may make one attack at your highest attack bonus. this attack deals double damage(I am assuming that only the weapon and str bonus are doubles, not say, your flaming weapon dice and such) as well, any other attacks you make(say by virtue of cleave or attacks of opportunity) deal double damage. unfortunately, you wont be able to whirlwind with this, but combo it with combat reflexes and say, a spiked chain, and you have some uber-ness
Cifer 06-12-07, 01:06 PM	this attack deals double damage(I am assuming that only the weapon and str bonus are doubles, not say, your flaming weapon dice and such) Unless the specific instruction of the ability says otherwise, doubling the damage means doubling the damage die of the weapon and every bonus damage that is expressed as a number instead of a die. For example, a mounted paladin who channels a Smite Evil into his flaming +1 lance charge deals (2(Weapon die + Str bonus + enhancement bonus + smite evil damage)) + (flaming damage). Further, multipliers are generally added instead of multiplied, meaning a crit (3) on the lance charge (2) deals (original 3+(2-1) = ) 4 damage, not *6. The only time this become a little fuzzy is when power attack kicks in. I'm not quite sure about the official ruling, but we play it such that it's multiplier for weapon size is multiplied with a possible crit.
kentonblack 06-12-07, 06:27 PM	yo, summed it up more consiscely than i could(with math too!)
Neutronium_Dragon 06-13-07, 06:49 PM	The most common and effective use of that substitution level ability is to combine it with the Robilar's Gambit feat in the same book, thereby getting to take a free double-damage smack at anyone who hits you - every time they hit you. You just have to make sure that you've got a really good healer backing you up...