Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Lord_Zzyzx 11-17-07, 10:41 AM	Has anyone seen/created any spells/items of vampiric repair? If so, please share stats or the books referenced.
Rekko 11-17-07, 01:38 PM	What do you mean by vampiric repair? Undoing vampirism?
Lord_Zzyzx 11-20-07, 01:00 PM	No. Like a version of vampiric touch that repairs warforged instead of healing. I am building a WFJ and want to make sure that vampiric touch will continue to work on him given the healing restrictions. If vampiric touch as listed in the various books won't do it, perhaps someone has come across something that is it's functional equivalent. Thanks in advance.
Rekko 11-20-07, 03:56 PM	You want to build a Warforged Jauggernaut that uses the spell vampiric touch to repair himself instead of healing himself? If it is so, copy the spell vampiric touch, in the target area, write Constructs instead of living creature touched. Name the spell 'Chemical Absorption' and the descriptive text would be 'Your touch creates some sort of chemical reaction that transfers molecules from your victim to you repairing some of your own damage.' How's that? Rekko
Edymnion 11-20-07, 10:16 PM	Um, Juggernaughts are only immune to the healing subschool. If memory serves, the vampiric effects are not part of the healing subschool. Hence, there is no need to rewrite anything, the spell as written works just fine.
Kreistor2 11-21-07, 01:43 PM	Edy is right. Vampiric touch is Necromancy, not Conjuration Healing, so the WFJ is not immune to its healing.
Jello_Ninja 11-27-07, 10:31 PM	Just convert rings of vampireic regeneration into rings of vamperic repair i think that should work it just sounds funney
Tordak 11-28-07, 02:27 PM	I'm sorry, but aren't warforged juggernaut immune to necromancy effect as one of their construct perfection class ability? Regular warforged aren't, and the spell works fine on them, but I was under the impression that WJ were.
Edymnion 12-02-07, 08:41 PM	I'm sorry, but aren't warforged juggernaut immune to necromancy effect as one of their construct perfection class ability? Regular warforged aren't, and the spell works fine on them, but I was under the impression that WJ were.Bam, he's right. Construct Perfection III, immunity to necromantic effects, so Vampiric weapons would be useless.
Gurv 12-03-07, 07:21 AM	Bam, he's right. Construct Perfection III, immunity to necromantic effects, so Vampiric weapons would be useless. Arguable. The target for vampiric touch is 'living creature touched'. The WFJ is not the target of the necromancy effect, per se. Also note that vampiric touch doesn't heal the caster. It grants him temporary hit points, which fade after an hour.
Edymnion 12-03-07, 12:52 PM	Also note that vampiric touch doesn't heal the caster. It grants him temporary hit points, which fade after an hour.But still, they are being affected by a spell of the Necromancy school. IMO, thats a necromantic effect, which they are specifically immune to. Vampiric Touch would not damage a Juggernaught, nor would it heal them if they were the one delivering the touch.
Elderich 12-03-07, 04:29 PM	Arguable. The target for vampiric touch is 'living creature touched'. The WFJ is not the target of the necromancy effect, per se. Also note that vampiric touch doesn't heal the caster. It grants him temporary hit points, which fade after an hour.I think you got it backward. The target 'living creature touched' is specifically "immunity to necromantic effects." Thus no effect. Perhaps you could argue that the warforged would still have the necromantic spell active, but the spell has no effect. But I do not see where it gets you...
Edymnion 12-07-07, 01:07 PM	I think you got it backward. The target 'living creature touched' is specifically "immunity to necromantic effects." Thus no effect. Perhaps you could argue that the warforged would still have the necromantic spell active, but the spell has no effect. But I do not see where it gets you...Nah, he has it the right way around. The debate is on if a Warforged Juggernaught that uses Vampiric Touch would gain the temporary hitpoints or not. Vampiric Touch is a necromantic effect, but the target of the spell is not the Juggernaught. So, the question is if the Juggernaught would benefit from the temporary hitpoints, since he is not the target of the spell, or if he would not benefit, because he is immune to necromantic effects, and the source of the temporary hp is a necromantic effect.
ArcTan 12-08-07, 09:19 PM	Notice that this only applies to Warforged Juggernauts, and normal vampiric touch works fine on normal Warforged (both as targets and recipients of the temp HP), so the demand for the hypothetical vampiric repair weapon would be somewhat low.
Belabras 12-09-07, 12:52 AM	Well, you could equip a golem with it. Still a bit of a niche market, but it is usable by constructs other than just 'forged Juggernauts.
Elderich 12-10-07, 09:21 AM	I guess I was not clear Edymnion.or if he would not benefit, because he is immune to necromantic effects, and the source of the temporary hp is a necromantic effect.The WFJ is immune to necromantic effects! They are not immune to being the target of necromantic spells, whatever that means. The effect of the spell is to add temporary hit points, and whatever else, but the WFJ cannot receive those effects, as they are immune to necromantic effects. How is this a debate?