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| Edymnion12-05-06, 01:41 PM | If you think that having more classes than you have letters in your character's name is normal, you might be a powergamer. If you took both Warforged Juggernaught and Reforged, you might be a powergamer. If you convinced your DM to let your changling take Warshaper, you might be a powergamer. If you are the only one of your race in Khovaire because of how many templates you have, you might be a powergamer. |
| cancerousmango12-05-06, 01:54 PM | If you are a planar shepherd. |
| Edymnion12-05-06, 02:05 PM | If you are a planar shepherd.Please restate that in the form of a redneck joke. ;) |
| Thwyvylyn12-05-06, 03:01 PM | If your character is in character by addressing King Kaius in "leet" speak, you might be a powergamer. If your character can out shapeshift Rakshasa, out mind a Quori, out drink King Boranel, and is crazier than a Daelkyr, in a strictly statistical sense, you might be a powergamer. If you have a Legendary, Horrid, Magebred animal who is a companion, familiar, paladin mount all at once, you might be a powergamer. |
| Eled_the_Worm_Tamer12-05-06, 05:11 PM | If you can make a charicter without using anything from The Players handbook, you might be a power gamer. If you think the cast of the Forgoten Freadom are underpowered, you might be a power gamer. If your charicters get there names by mixing up the arconims from the splat books you used building them, you might be a power gamer. If you need something more chaleging than Xen'dirk, you might be a power gamer. If the morning was caused just to stop one of your charicter concepts, you might be a power Gamer. |
| Edymnion12-05-06, 05:29 PM | If you have more hitpoints than the ancient red wyrm you are fighting, you might be a powergamer. |
| BoneLord_of_Skullthrone12-05-06, 05:51 PM | If you are a 5th level human fighter with a +2 greatsword, AC 30, a +12 to hit, who hides in the back of the party until the fighting has started, and all the NPC's who aren't villains think you're the greatest hero ever, and the rest of the party are your lackeys, you might be a powergamer. (or just the lousy DM's best friend.) |
| ressurrector12-05-06, 10:05 PM | If your character can single-handedly destroy entire Eberron armies, you might be a powergamer (or a FR character) |
| Manyfist12-06-06, 12:03 AM | If you convinced your DM to let your changling take Warshaper, you might be a powergamer. RAW theres nothing against it. They do have the ablity to change shape you know. If you convince your DM that theres a way to play Pun Pun in Eberron, you might be a powergamer. |
| DarkWarriorKarg12-06-06, 10:09 AM | Y'know... these are almost all Munchkins, not powergamers. The terms aren't synonymous. If your preferred cohort is a pseudonatural half-fiend human barbarian (with a penchant for the All-Girls academy of Sharn), you just might be a powergamer (and a hentai freak...). If your cohort is a Dealkyr, you most definitely are a Munchkin! |
| johnkretzer12-06-06, 10:54 AM | If you can make a charicter without using anything from The Players handbook, you might be a power gamer. Well in that light.... If you play a wizard, cleric, or druid just using Players handbook, you might be a powergamer. If you use a spiked chain, Combat Reflexes, and Improved Trip, you might be a powergamer. If you are playing a character with multiple half templates for example a half-Dragon, half-celestial, half-troll, half-mindflayer, half-vampire, half-Fey pseudonatural, half-fiend Stone Giant, you might be a powergamer and/or a munchkin. |
| Edymnion12-06-06, 10:40 PM | Y'know... these are almost all Munchkins, not powergamers. The terms aren't synonymous.While not all powergamers are munchkins, all munchkins are powergamers, so its best to use the superset to get maximum flexibility. |
| Hannibal12-06-06, 11:08 PM | While not all powergamers are munchkins, all munchkins are powergamers, so its best to use the superset to get maximum flexibility. What is the difference? |
| Thwyvylyn12-06-06, 11:20 PM | If your character can kill a Rajah just by having it look at your character you might be a powergamer. If you can defeat swarms of dragons the way a normal character defeats swarms of kobolds, you might be a powergamer. |
| DarkWarriorKarg12-06-06, 11:57 PM | What is the difference? Generally speaking, powergamers min/max within the RAW or within houserules, and are, for the most part, happy if their character is the best their is at what they do. Munchkins will seek out loopholes, create them where they don't exist, manipulate the DM if possible and might even cheat and/or ignore rules. All in an effort to be better than everyone else. A Powergamer might take levels in both Reforged and Warforged Juggernaut, stopping in reforged before losing the composite plating. This, BTW, is a mechanical Powergamer. The combo doesn't have to make sense, just be legal. Many of the Powergamers I know try to have a logical progression to their character. A Munchkin would try to convince the DM to let him keep the composite plate with full levels of Reforged and Juggernaut. While not all powergamers are munchkins, all munchkins are powergamers, so its best to use the superset to get maximum flexibility. I see them more as 2 groups that form an intersection. After all, powergamers follow the rules. Munchkins generally don't. |
| makeshiftwings12-07-06, 12:49 AM | If your character's response to "If it exists in D&D, it exists in Eberron" is "Not for long," you might be a powergamer. |
| Edymnion12-07-06, 01:03 AM | In powergamer Eberron, Vol worships you! |
| DarkWarriorKarg12-07-06, 11:05 AM | If the Dealkyr in Xoriat seek to erect seals to keep you trapped in Eberron, you just might be a Powergamer. If the Dreaming Dark has nightmares of YOU... you just might be a Powergamer. If your idea of a vacation is a trip through Xoriat, you just might be a Powergamer... If the maruts and nafalshee of Dolurrh keep bringing you back to life in order to keep you out, you just might be a Powergamer. |
| MagicMouth12-07-06, 03:30 PM | In powergamer Eberron, Vol worships you! :rofl: Sigged! |
| yossarius12-07-06, 07:32 PM | If you've ever force the Tarresque to make a morale check, you just might be a powergamer. |
| Eled_the_Worm_Tamer12-07-06, 07:42 PM | If you define a Charicters relitave power by what Monster manual there on rather than by level, you might be a power gamer. |
| DoveArrow12-07-06, 07:44 PM | If you play a half giant barbarian psychic warrior, who wields a huge greatsword, can manifest the power expansion, and has the Monkey Grip feat, you might be a power gamer. If you and a friend have decided to create twin wizards with the Quicken Feat, and the ability to cast fireball (so that combat won't interfere with roleplaying) you might just be a power gamer. |
| Trannic12-08-06, 12:08 AM | If all your character needs for armor is a pair of pants (+1 soulfire preferably), you might be a powergamer. If it takes over 600 hundred points of damage to kill your character, and it only has 150 HP, you might be a powergamer. If any build you make requires only one level sacred exorcist, you might be a powergamer. |
| Kemmotar_veon12-08-06, 04:34 AM | If you are abble to come back from dol ruh alone and in one round you might be a powergamer If the Raja in the Flame speaks to you and says "STAY AWAY YOU FREAK" you might be a powergamer If your character is a Half fiend, half Celestial, Half dragon, lycatrope, vampire, awakened, incorporeal, Squirrel of legend you might be a powergamer If you have the lost mark you might be a powergamer If the Dreadhold prison is a nice vacational spot for your character you might be a powergamer If the Quori invasion was really a try of the Dreaming dark to run from your last character you might be a powergamer |
| Shady31412-08-06, 05:13 AM | If you play a monk with vow of poverty, you MIGHT be a powergamer. If you play A VoP Elan Soulknife/Warlock/Monk you ARE a powergamer. |
| Just another user12-08-06, 12:02 PM | If you are not afraid to enter in the Mournland you might be a powergamer If when you created your character to the question "there are real gods in Eberron?" you answered "Now there is at least one" you might be a powergamer. |
| Eled_the_Worm_Tamer12-08-06, 12:16 PM | If you get defensave every time you see the words in question, you might be a power gamer. |
| McFrankPatrick12-08-06, 12:24 PM | You might be a powergamer if . . . you attempt to re-ignite the last war because "think of all the xp!". the only reason you stop the last war from returning to Khorvaire is you were promised an xp bonus. the only thing that has differentiated the last four characters you made were the levels they reached and their names- and you don't remember their names. you never understood why you couldn't multiclass barbarian/paladin . . . seriously, that would be totally pwnz0r!! :P |
| DarkWarriorKarg12-08-06, 02:39 PM | If your preferred race for monk is one with a monkey's tail, you just might be a powergamer. If your reaction to the ancient acsended gold wyrm is "Dragons is sooooo stupid", you just might be a powergamer. If your bard bluffs and intimidates a rajah into reimprisonment, you just might be a powergamer. |
| DoveArrow12-08-06, 03:50 PM | If you've ever ridden into town on the back of a gargantuan crocodile... guilty. :) |
| darkdragonk12-08-06, 10:04 PM | If you look at Valkers (spelling, dont have ECS at hand now) as furry plush toys, you might be a power gamer If your responses to "Whats your opion about Xen'dri' is "To easy" you might be a power gamer. If you are the Hightest CR thing in Ebberon you probaly are a powergamer (That or a total nerd) If The last war ended be cause "You said so" then you are a power gamer. (That or you have a REALLY high bluff Check) If you can convince a Greater diety to kill itself and give you its spot then you might be a power gamer (DC of diplomicy check.. ooo. maybe... 150 ... 160 If You Brought back Syberius, Eberron and Kyver (somthing like that) as you undead minions then you might be a power gamer |
| Ringmereth12-08-06, 11:49 PM | If your high-level (late teens) character thinks there's no challenges at epic level in the setting... ... with full knowledge of the Dalkyr and Xoriat, Rajahs, Dreaming Dark and Dal Quor, Vol, the cause of the Mourning, and the Daughters of Sora Kell... ... you might be a powergamer. |
| Avalon®12-09-06, 11:46 AM | You might be a power gamer if you use the depths of Khyber as your basement (or you are into a really high epic level) |
| Count Nerindil Van Seraph12-09-06, 07:50 PM | If the Dealkyr in Xoriat seek to erect seals to keep you trapped in Eberron, you just might be a Powergamer. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: YOINK! |
| johnkretzer12-10-06, 03:00 AM | If you have all the Dragonmarks including the Mark of death and the Chamber worships you, you might be a powergamer. If the Traveler refuses to accept gifts from you, you might be a powergamer. If the Lord of Blades want to be your personal sword then you might be a powergamer. |
| Kaizer_Ryu12-10-06, 03:17 AM | In Karrnath, if you actually have to track down the cemetary in order to visit it instead of the other way around, you might be a powergamer. In Aundair, if you walk into Fairhaven and you are greeted by white flags and the announcement of their surrender, you might be- Oh, who am I kidding. This might not happen if you're a wounded goblin. There's still a pretty good chance of it, though. :D |
| Rowan_Whispercloak12-10-06, 11:59 AM | If you think that having more classes than you have letters in your character's name is normal, you might be a powergamer. I think I might have a problem then: Ax Warforged Bbn 3/Ftr 2/Warforged Juggernaut 3 :P |
| Seghan12-10-06, 12:22 PM | I think I might have a problem then: Ax Warforged Bbn 3/Ftr 2/Warforged Juggernaut 3 :P Isn't that just like a munch, having to go out and break the joke. |
| lordalm12-10-06, 03:04 PM | You might be a power gamer if you think that you can single handedly restore the Dhakaani Empire all by yourself.:lop: |
| johnkretzer12-10-06, 11:47 PM | You might be a power gamer if you think that you can single handedly restore the Dhakaani Empire all by yourself.:lop: Now this might not be true. Just because you think something doesn't mean it will happen. For instance I once played a crazy sorcerer who thought he was a god. That didn't make me a power gamer it just means I like RP really crazy people. |
| Edymnion12-11-06, 12:53 AM | Isn't that just like a munch, having to go out and break the joke.Nah, he's just a poor speller. There's an "E" in axe, so he's not really a powergamer. The number of classes on his character sheet only equals the number of letters in his character's name, once you correct his bad spelling. :PYes, I know axe can be properly spelled either way. |
| DwarfPcfan12-11-06, 12:07 PM | If you go through life with a blue and red suit with a big ''S'' on your chest as your only piece of equipment and you defeat whole armies of greater fiends, gods, daelkyr, ascended dragons etc with your team of friends on a daily basis Oh... here are your friends - an artificer 20/monk20/vigilante10 dressed in a bat costume -a fighter20/monk20/barbarian 10 lady from an island of amazons - a doppelganger psychic warrior20/telepath20/psion uncarnate 10 You just might be a powergammer... |
| Remmick209912-11-06, 12:13 PM | If you can make a charicter without using anything from The Players handbook, you might be a power gamer. Hilarious! This is the winner! |
| Ryuu_Tenshi12-11-06, 12:37 PM | Now this might not be true. Just because you think something doesn't mean it will happen. For instance I once played a crazy sorcerer who thought he was a god. That didn't make me a power gamer it just means I like RP really crazy people. If you really DID go out and single-handedly restore the entire Dhakaani empire, you might be a powergamer. |
| DarkWarriorKarg12-11-06, 01:25 PM | If your character concept is a planet-eating Dealkyr whose cohort is a a silvered humanoid in flying Cryan boots, you just might be a powergamer. If your Dm needs to make the mechanics of the game the same as in the Dragonball Z RPG in order to handle your monk and Tome of Battle based group, you just migfht be a powergamer. |
| johnkretzer12-11-06, 02:19 PM | If you really DID go out and single-handedly restore the entire Dhakaani empire, you might be a powergamer. That I will agree with. |
| Belabras12-11-06, 02:58 PM | If your character concept is a planet-eating Dealkyr whose cohort is a a silvered humanoid in flying Cryan boots, you just might be a powergamer. Shouldn't that cohort be something like an Azerblooded Ray specialist Sorcerer Human with a board of Cosmic flight? ;) |
| DoveArrow12-11-06, 03:31 PM | If you can make a charicter without using anything from The Players handbook, you might be a power gamer. If you can make a character using nothing but the Player's Handbook, and you still break the game, you might be a power gamer. |
| Seghan12-11-06, 07:20 PM | Nah, he's just a poor speller. There's an "E" in axe, so he's not really a powergamer. The number of classes on his character sheet only equals the number of letters in his character's name, once you correct his bad spelling. :PYes, I know axe can be properly spelled either way. Rules Lawyer... :D |
| WildeSurge12-11-06, 08:11 PM | My next character probably won´t use anything from PHB... I´m worried :eek: |
| Eled_the_Worm_Tamer12-11-06, 08:24 PM | My next character probably won´t use anything from PHB... I´m worried :eek: Are you counting skills? Becase of not you arent a power gamer :mage: |
| johnkretzer12-14-06, 10:22 AM | My next character probably won´t use anything from PHB... I´m worried :eek: Well if the character is not caster then chance are the character won't be broken. |
| Eled_the_Worm_Tamer12-14-06, 02:06 PM | Hilarious! This is the winner! Soooo tempting to sig that... Any way, on more relevant standing: If all across Khavore Warforged colectavly start answering to the name {Name}forged, where { } is your Pcs name, you might be a power gamer. If you can make 'Chamber pot' jokes around agests of The Chamber, You might be a power gamer. If the last time you told someone to 'pull theselves together' there severed limb raetached without magic, you might be a power gamer. If you started life in ebberon only to be barred from sigil becase they dont alow gods, You might be a power gamer. If you Use a d10 for attack rolls 'to be sporting' and still win every fight, you might be a power gamer. If d20s spontaniusly roll 20 every time your in the same room, you might be a power gamer (and I recomend a carear in gambling). |
| Wymarc12-14-06, 03:16 PM | if you can kill an ancient dragon, Terratesqe, and the Dreaming dark all at the same time with a spoon, you might possibly be a powergamer. |
| Melvin the Mediocre12-14-06, 03:37 PM | if you'd rather the DM assumes you get a 1 on all skill checks than actually have to roll a die, you might be a power gamer you hope the souls of your dead party members were taken by the Keeper becasue it is easier to rescue them then find a cleric to raise them, you might be a power gamer if you ask your DM how old the leader of the Chamber is while looking over the Leadership/Cohort chart, you might be a power gamer If you plan to have your character defeat the DM, you might be a power gamer |
| Edymnion12-14-06, 10:23 PM | If the draconic prophesy specifically mentions your character by name, you might be a power gamer. |
| johnkretzer12-15-06, 12:33 AM | If the draconic prophesy specifically mentions your character by name, you might be a power gamer. Well either that or you are in for the biggest screw job ever. |
| Edymnion12-15-06, 01:08 AM | Well either that or you are in for the biggest screw job ever.If your character actually manages to die of old age after being specifically called by name in the draconic prophesy, you might be a power gamer. Better? ;) |
| Belabras12-15-06, 02:45 AM | I don't know, screw job and powergamer might be synonymous. |
| Egarb12-15-06, 02:55 AM | You might be a powergamer if your first thought upon seeing somone comment on the inability to multiclass as a paladin/barbarian is "Thats not even very hard, Ordered Chaos from Fiendish Codex I: Hordes of the Abyss only requires a +4 will save and gets rid of those pesky law/chaos requirements. In fact, he should wield a axiomatic/anarchic weapon!" |
| Quasidork12-15-06, 05:22 AM | If your Character is a Shifter (Beasthide) Ranger 3/Barbarian 2/Weretouched Master (Bear) 5/Artificer 5/Renegade Mastermaker 10/Warforged Juggernaut 5/Impure Prince 6, you might be a powergamer. If you took the time to think that up, you are a powergamer. If you stopped to check if that was legal, you are a rules lawyer or powergamer. |
| Mathus12-15-06, 11:16 PM | If you are on the field of battle during the last war and you see the mist of mourning rolling towards you, and you wave off your fellow party members saying, "I got this one." You might be a power gamer. |
| johnkretzer12-16-06, 12:11 AM | If your character actually manages to die of old age after being specifically called by name in the draconic prophesy, you might be a power gamer. Better? ;) Well of healthy mind, body, and spirit. Then yes. I have always said to my players that death is a release not a punishment. :evillaugh Also 5 points if you can get where I paraphase that quote from. |
| turalisj12-16-06, 05:56 AM | If you can make a charicter without using anything from The Players handbook, you might be a power gamer. If you think the cast of the Forgoten Freadom are underpowered, you might be a power gamer. If your charicters get there names by mixing up the arconims from the splat books you used building them, you might be a power gamer. If you need something more chaleging than Xen'dirk, you might be a power gamer. If the morning was caused just to stop one of your charicter concepts, you might be a power Gamer. Hey, that VoP warlock is completly legit! :D |
| Edymnion12-16-06, 12:50 PM | I have always said to my players that death is a release not a punishment. :evillaugh Also 5 points if you can get where I paraphase that quote from.Its from multiple sources actually. The first one that springs to mind is Wheel of Time, where the old warder saying is "Death is light as a feather, responcibility heavy as a mountain." |
| Kensan_Oni12-16-06, 01:08 PM | If your Mark of Sibiris is so large that it wraps around your body, you might be a powergamer. If your 20th level cleric can't decide between the quickened maximized flame strike, or the maximized Blade Barrier, you might be a powergamer If at any time, you throw an apple, and kill a commoner, you might be a power gamer. If your game includes laser pistols, and you never use one cause they're just ranged weapons, you might be a power gamer. If your sword has more abilities then you do, you might be a power gamer. If you face up to a Dragon without fear, but run in terror away from a skeleton, you might be a power gamer. If your familuar has a bag of holding to carry your wands for the heat of battle, you might be a powergamer. If you start a bar room brawl, simply because there hasn't been a fight since the game started 30 second ago, you might be a powergamer. If your changling decides that Mestophiles is a good form to travel in, you might be a power gamer. If you have more halfs then make a whole, then you might be a power gamer. (I can go on, and on..) |
| johnkretzer12-16-06, 01:36 PM | Its from multiple sources actually. The first one that springs to mind is Wheel of Time, where the old warder saying is "Death is light as a feather, responcibility heavy as a mountain." Yeah I can see how it could be drawn from there. Though I have blocked those books from my mind till he finishes the seris. Though the quote is from Dragonheart. |
| Manyfist12-16-06, 07:05 PM | If you can travel to sigil and stare down Lady of Pain, all while asleep, you may be a powergamer. :zzz: :shifty: :lop: :ghosted: |
| turalisj12-16-06, 08:02 PM | If at any time, you throw an apple, and kill a commoner, you might be a power gamer. So any melee character with a 16 strength that is 3rd level or above is a powergamer? I'd like to note that some of these are just silly. At a high enough level, it's not a matter of being a power gamer than just a matter of know what to use when to use it. And yes, I realise that I can be a powergamer at times. So any comments that are meant as insults to this post are not wlecomed and I will not reply to them. |
| Kensan_Oni12-16-06, 08:11 PM | So any melee character with a 16 strength that is 3rd level or above is a powergamer? I'd like to note that some of these are just silly. At a high enough level, it's not a matter of being a power gamer than just a matter of know what to use when to use it. And yes, I realise that I can be a powergamer at times. So any comments that are meant as insults to this post are not wlecomed and I will not reply to them. Ooo.. sounds like people are hitting a nerve with this fellow... Look, I'm not running around insulting anyone. I just am mentioning humourous things that I have seen, or can imagine seeing in my games, directly relating to people who are powering the game. One of those jokes I am the guilty party, in fact. (The Laser one, in case you are wondering) Now, you can join the fun... or you can decide that the whole entire thread is insulting. That is the nature of jokes. However, I will leave it up to you to decide to contribute usefully, or quietly decide to leave people be. |
| goblin_pride12-16-06, 11:38 PM | I have always said to my players that death is a release not a punishment. :evillaugh Dolurrh? |
| goblin_pride12-16-06, 11:39 PM | If you are on the field of battle during the last war and you see the mist of mourning rolling towards you, and you wave off your fellow party members saying, "I got this one." You might be a power gamer. I could not stop laughing at this one. I think we have a winner. |
| Endless_Helix12-17-06, 12:11 PM | If you have more feats than four times your class level... you might be a powergamer. If your idea of morning excercise is wiping out a country... you might be a powergamer. If you spend more time out of game optimizing your character than your character spends in the campaign... you might be a powergamer. You might be a powergamer if You don't go to Xen'drik, the continent comes to you. If you floss your teeth with Daelkyr at first level, you might be a powergamer. If you've run out of skills to max out (yes... even the profession ones) because there aren't any left in any sourcebook you know... you might be a powergamer. If your base attack bonus exceeds your level... you might be a powergamer. If your DM has to raid the games store for more dice to figure out your attack on that quori... you might be a powergamer. |
| ChimericalWolf12-17-06, 04:59 PM | If you think that having more classes than you have letters in your character's name is normal, you might be a powergamer. Well, I guess I should go back to Wizard after I finish Recaster, with my changeling named Ta. |
| turalisj12-17-06, 07:50 PM | If you can kill one of the LoD with a scarf, napkin, or other small meaningly item, you might be a powergamer. |
| JulesCARV12-17-06, 08:31 PM | If you use Ur-Priest, Sublime Chord, or Divine Crusader minimum caster levels to emulate spell requirements as an artificer, scribing a scroll of Miracle at level 7, you might be a powergamer. If you use Forgotten Realms regional feats for your Eberron character, you might be a powergamer. If you have a habit of "forgetting" the errata to the Weretouched Master or the Cannith Heir of Syberis, you might be a powergamer. If your warforged character has more than one body feat, you might be a powergamer. (Nitpick: I think that a straight kalashtar psion using nothing from the PHB, using just XPH and ECS feats, needn't be a powergamer. The PHB just doesn't have much of interest to psions. Also, what's actually powerful about juggernaut/reforged? I thought that the objection to juggernaut/reforged was the philosophical dichotomy, not that they're especially powerful, unbalanced characters. Then again, I don't have RoE (yet).) |
| DwarfPcfan12-18-06, 11:11 AM | -If your diplomacy is high enough to convince a rakshasa raja to commit suicide after giving you all his powers, you might be a powergammer - your first thought after seeing an advancing army of half-fiend pseudonatural tyranosaurs artficers is " what a bunch of amateurs" you might be a powergamer -If you look down of the keeper of the flame as " a little girl playing with matches", you might be a powergammer -If you use the continent of Khorvaire as your personal storage room, you might be a powergammer - you call Vol " a stuck up twit in dire need of a spanking" and afterwards proceed on delivering the said spanking, you just might be a powergammer |
| Huzzah!12-18-06, 12:29 PM | If the Lords of Dust check their closets at night for you, you might be a Powergamer. |
| Edymnion12-18-06, 12:33 PM | (... Also, what's actually powerful about juggernaut/reforged? I thought that the objection to juggernaut/reforged was the philosophical dichotomy, not that they're especially powerful, unbalanced characters. Then again, I don't have RoE (yet).)The main problem is that ReForged grants the ability to fully benefit from healing magic, while the Juggernaut makes you immune to healing magic. The cheese comes from someone taking all of Juggernaught, and then dipping into ReForged just long enough to get the ability to heal again, and then not finishing ReForged, allowing them to totally bypass the single biggest balancing factor of the Juggernaught. |
| Ryuu_Tenshi12-18-06, 09:37 PM | - you call Vol " a stuck up twit in dire need of a spanking" and afterwards proceed on delivering the said spanking, you just might be a powergammer ... what does it mean if my Strahd von Zarovich says that about Vol? ... though he's gonna get owned by PC's before he gets to deliver. Unless he turns all the PCs into vampires, in which case there will be a VERY STRANGE alliance between Kaius and Strahd against Vol... *almost hopes her PCs fail at life just so she can have vampires vs dracolich* |
| Quasidork12-18-06, 09:57 PM | If you use the Dragons of Argonessen, Dreaming Dark, and Lords of Dust as action figures, you might be a powergamer. If you make the Undying Court regret their eternal existence enough to destroy themselves, you might be a powergamer. If you were born in Frostfell, and the dwarves left because they knew you were trouble, you might be a powergamer. |
| DarkWarriorKarg12-19-06, 10:47 AM | If you appear on the battlefields of Shavarath and the reaction from demons, devils and celestials is "oh... crap! he's here!", you just might be a powergamer. If you get kicked out of Xoriat for being a corrupting influence, you just might be a powergamer. If you think the Terrasque might make it as your paladin's warhorse, you just might be a powergamer. |
| Verenal12-19-06, 01:01 PM | If you think the Tarrasque isn't good enough to be your mount you are a powergamer. If you are held responsible for the mourning you might be a powergamer. If you are responsible for the mourning you are a powergamer. |
| Endless_Helix12-19-06, 06:44 PM | If you use Ur-Priest, Sublime Chord, or Divine Crusader minimum caster levels to emulate spell requirements as an artificer, scribing a scroll of Miracle at level 7, you might be a powergamer. Actually, there you are a munchkin. Artificer allows you to use your base character level +2 to determine what items you can make. You actually need to be about 15th level before you can craft anything with Miracle, assuming you use Ur-preist as the class you emulate. You need to be 7th level (IIRC) to get into Ur-Priest. |
| RagingDemon12-19-06, 08:38 PM | If you manage to survive more than one round in a fight against an NPC named Chuck Norris, you might be a powergamer. . . (rounds that he uses to taunt or make a laugh of you do not count :P) |
| johnkretzer12-20-06, 01:59 AM | If you use the Dragons of Argonessen, Dreaming Dark, and Lords of Dust as action figures, you might be a powergamer. If you make the Undying Court regret their eternal existence enough to destroy themselves, you might be a powergamer. If you were born in Frostfell, and the dwarves left because they knew you were trouble, you might be a powergamer. Well either that or... You are the DM who uses minatures. You are really just that annoying. you really stink badly. |
| JulesCARV12-20-06, 03:26 PM | Actually, there you are a munchkin. Artificer allows you to use your base character level +2 to determine what items you can make. You actually need to be about 15th level before you can craft anything with Miracle, assuming you use Ur-preist as the class you emulate. You need to be 7th level (IIRC) to get into Ur-Priest. The artificer's effective caster level for meeting item creation prerequisites is artificer level + 2. A non-caster (or cleric) 5/ur-priest 9 with high enough (28) wisdom casts 9th level spells, and has 14 character levels, but still has just 9 caster levels. This is not, of course, to say that any sane DM would allow such ur-priest abuse, but it's still important to remember that a scroll of holy sword requires 7 effective caster levels, not 14, because paladins are half-casters. |
| Eled_the_Worm_Tamer12-26-06, 12:45 PM | If the Only time your charicter wept was when there were no more worlds to conquer, you might be a power gamer. |
| Raziel_Brokodar12-26-06, 01:00 PM | If you've got nothing better to do than eliminate an 'evil' organization, or dragonmarked house entirely off the face of Eberron (or at least kill the people in charge), you might be a powergamer If you have to convince/persuade/force your DM to put a race or class that they don't want in their Eberron, into it just so you can be one... you might be a powergamer If you used point buy and none of your ability scores are an odd number... you might be a powergamer If you used point buy and you have 8 charisma or wisdom (or if they are your lowest scores), you might be a powergamer If you tell your DM what PrC you're going to be, instead of which character class you'll choose (and force them to allow you to do so), you might be a powergamer |
| turalisj12-26-06, 04:44 PM | If you've got nothing better to do than eliminate an 'evil' organization, or dragonmarked house entirely off the face of Eberron (or at least kill the people in charge), you might be a powergamer If you have to convince/persuade/force your DM to put a race or class that they don't want in their Eberron, into it just so you can be one... you might be a powergamer If you used point buy and none of your ability scores are an odd number... you might be a powergamer If you used point buy and you have 8 charisma or wisdom (or if they are your lowest scores), you might be a powergamer If you tell your DM what PrC you're going to be, instead of which character class you'll choose (and force them to allow you to do so), you might be a powergamer -So a ranger who believes house cannith is evil and is trying to destroy them, the person playing him is a powergamer? -Hey, if it exists in Dnd, it exists in Eberron. That would include a Killoren Warlock. -I don't like giving my character's odd numbers with point buy...It makes me feel uneasy. Same with why I don't raise my con or int score with leveling. Too much work. -So, that elven bard with an 8 wisdom, he is being powergamed? Thank you for that information. -Ok, I'll admit that even I don't have a reply to this one. Almost all of these can be explained away with roleplaying reasons. I'm not trying to start a flame war. I am just pointing out how one could make each of these characters (or even all of them at once), and yet still not be a powergamer. And so I say.... NEXT! |
| Endless_Helix12-26-06, 11:20 PM | The artificer's effective caster level for meeting item creation prerequisites is artificer level + 2. A non-caster (or cleric) 5/ur-priest 9 with high enough (28) wisdom casts 9th level spells, and has 14 character levels, but still has just 9 caster levels. This is not, of course, to say that any sane DM would allow such ur-priest abuse, but it's still important to remember that a scroll of holy sword requires 7 effective caster levels, not 14, because paladins are half-casters. Actually, I'm pretty sure that the Ur-Priest uses the cleric levels as caster levels; check under the spells per day section. I'm positive the Sublime Chord uses the bard levels as caster levels. I don't know the Divine Crusader, but I'm pretty sure that if it requires caster classes to get into, it uses them as additional caster levels. --- If you spend more time on message boards debating whether a particular class is "munchkin" or "powergamer" and begin to split hairs on the subject... you might be a power gamer. If "Planar Shepard" "Dal Quor" "Planar Bubble" and "Dream Master Quori" Figure heavily into your strategy... You are a powergamer. If you flip a coin to decide whether or not you should destroy Sarlona or Khovaire... You might be a powergamer. If your character speaks in 1337 SP34k u r 4 pwnzorz!!!!1!1!!1!!!1111!lol! |
| rampant12-26-06, 11:35 PM | You might be a power gamer, If your strength modifier is higher than of a great red wyrm's str score, before level 20. |
| Quasidork12-27-06, 10:33 AM | If your character's multiple personalities are what make up the Dreaming Dark, you might be a powergamer. If you ask "why" your DM won't allow you to play a Half-Fiend/Daelkyr Warforged Possessed by a Quori, you might be a powergamer. If you spend more than one full session rolling up damage for your latest attack/spell in combat, you might be a powergamer. If you get several sets of Living Breastplate, and wonder why you can't piece them together to make Living Full Plate then enhance them, you might be a powergamer. |
| JulesCARV12-28-06, 01:03 AM | The artificer caster level issue might derail this thread if we discuss it extensively, so I'm taking it to a thread on the DM Rules Counseling (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=762335) forum. We can talk more about it there. |
| JulesCARV01-13-07, 06:37 PM | If you are stunned when you find a character that only gained one feat at 1st level, and consider five feats to be the standard, you might be a powergamer. |
| Ramses III01-13-07, 07:29 PM | If your character has prestige classes from 3 different splatbooks and Dragon Magazine, you might be a powergamer. If you took one level of a base class from Dragon Magazine to get four exotic weapon proficiencies to maximize your assassin build (which involves sneak attacking with a harpoon) and one of the EWPs was chosen at random because your 2 melee weapons were already selected to maximize your bluff check while dual wielding -- yeah, you might be a powergamer. If you can't find a decent build on the CO boards because none of them do enough damage, you might be a powergamer. If you and one other party member killed a VoP monk one level higher in a single round without using all of your attacks, you might just be powergamers. |
| turalisj01-13-07, 07:35 PM | What about a level 1 anything young red dragon? He could easily kill a level2 VoP monk with a breath attack :P |
| Eled_the_Worm_Tamer01-13-07, 07:37 PM | If your would be embaraased to play your favorate Prc of all time becase it dosent give enough Bab / caster levels, you might be a power gamer. If you'd rather fight a Dealkyr at 5th level than have that be the 5th fighter level you take, you might be a power gamer. |
| Ramses III01-13-07, 07:47 PM | What about a level 1 anything young red dragon? He could easily kill a level2 VoP monk with a breath attack :P Yeah, VoP takes like 2 or 3 other Vow feats to get. Besides, we were level 10. If you're playing a red dragon as a PC, you might be a powergamer. If you're playing any dragon as a PC, your DM might be pretty darn gullible. If you're dissatisfied with the performance of your cleric archer because you can only kill as many enemies per round as the number of arrows you fire, you might be a powergamer. If you find a way to get a higher kill rate than that with your archer, you might be a powergamer. If your level 10 character can deal 20d6 damage per round in melee, you might be a powergamer. |
| The White Sorcerer01-13-07, 09:40 PM | If you've convinced your DM that because your changeling can change gender, he can also grow functional arms and gills and wings, you might be a powergamer and a munchkin. |
| Fallenangel35901-14-07, 04:13 PM | I figured out a way to make a warlock at level 12 do 576 damage per round, hitting up to 3 targets... |
| lordalm01-14-07, 04:54 PM | I thought we were providing clues to the power gamers not giving a place to identify themsleves with unholly glee.:rolleyes: |
| JulesCARV01-14-07, 05:21 PM | If your level 10 character can deal 20d6 damage per round in melee, you might be a powergamer. Admittedly, that one isn't too hard. Take a level 10 rogue. Give her two-weapon fighting and improved two-weapon fighting. Give her two shortwords (make 'em masterwork if you want to be extravagant). Flank against a sorta low-AC target with discernable anatomy. Four hits at 6d6 per hit = 24d6 damage. A reasonably built combat rogue, but not quite a ludicrously optimized abomination. |
| kyeudo01-15-07, 12:20 PM | If you've convinced your DM that because your changeling can change gender, he can also grow functional arms and gills and wings, you might be a powergamer and a munchkin. Actualy, if you are a changling with one of the changling racial feats, I think its racial emulation, you can use minor shape change to look like an Aventi and you will pick up the Aquatic subtype, meaning you can breathe water. You temporarily lose the ability to breathe air, but you get gills. If you emulate a creature of the air subtype using the same feat, they always have fly speeds, as denoted in the subtype's discription. Since you'd pick up the air subtype, you gain a fly speed with perfect manuverability. Don't know how to do the extra arms. Maybe change shape into a Thri-kreen? |
| JulesCARV01-15-07, 01:19 PM | If you are simply incapable of conceiving of playing a bard without access to the sublime chord prestige class, you might be a power gamer. If your worst ability score is a 16, you might be a power gamer. If you use a mix of the Unearthed Arcana and Eberron action points systems, using whichever is more powerful for whatever you want, you might be a power gamer. If you are baffled about how to be a cleric in Eberron without worshipping Pelor to get into the Radiant Servant of Pelor class, and desperately attempt to persuade your DM to let you worship a "concept" or "ideal" called Pelor, then you might be a powergamer. If you teleport into Ulara d'Jorasco's office to enthusiastically say "I have an idea for how you could open up a Jorasco clinic in the Mournlands!", you might be a powergamer. |
| turalisj01-17-07, 06:12 PM | If your worst ability score is a 16, you might be a power gamer. Or If you get realy good rolls. |
| Ramses III01-20-07, 11:42 PM | If you have to roll a natural 1 to miss a monster with a CR 10 higher than your level, you might be a powergamer. (Touch attacks don't qualify) If your DM frantically searches the Epic Level Handbook for something that can hit your level 8 character's AC, you might be a powergamer. If you have tried to get a DM to let you play a character with the words "hulking," "war," and "hurler" somewhere in the names of the class combination you propose to play, you might be a powergamer. If the only reason the Tarrasque lasted more than 2 rounds in single combat against your character was because you lost the initiative, you might be a powergamer. |
| turalisj01-21-07, 12:00 AM | If you have tried to get a DM to let you play a character with the words "hulking," "war," and "hurler" somewhere in the names of the class combination you propose to play, you might be a powergamer. Ballista- Hulking (variant) Barbarian/Warblade/Gnome Hurler :P |
| kyeudo01-21-07, 11:22 PM | If your DM has to ask for board help to defeat your character, even though your only level 10 and he has the Epic Level Handbook, you might be a powergamer. |
| johnkretzer01-22-07, 03:37 AM | If your DM has to ask for board help to defeat your character, even though your only level 10 and he has the Epic Level Handbook, you might be a powergamer. Or lets be fair the DM could be a idiot. |
| Eled_the_Worm_Tamer01-25-07, 08:29 PM | If the fastest way for a Greater wyrm to add to its hoard is to lurk in sharn wating to mug your 5th level charicter, you might be a power gamer. If your proncable sorce of exp is the Greater Wyrms who try to mug you to add to there hoards, you might be a power gamer. If you have levels in 2 different PrCs by 5th level, you might be a power gamer. |
| johnkretzer01-26-07, 01:18 AM | Yeah, VoP takes like 2 or 3 other Vow feats to get. Besides, we were level 10. It only takes Sacred Vow to get VoP. So you can be a 1st level character with it if you are human. Also most VoP builds that are disgusting requires you not to take it till about 16th level... If you don't cheese it out completely it is pretty much like having a character with magic items... |
| Evilmonster01-26-07, 03:39 PM | If your DM has ever lept from his seat, hit you with his chair, snatched your character sheet and ate it while spewing Shakspearian curses at you, you might be a power gamer. |
| ressurrector01-26-07, 04:17 PM | If your DM has ever lept from his seat, hit you with his chair, snatched your character sheet and ate it while spewing Shakspearian curses at you, you might be a power gamer. "You festering cankersore!" just had to say it :D |
| Endless_Helix01-28-07, 10:59 AM | If you create your characters around this list, to prevent your DM from strangling you, you might just be a powergamer. If your idea of a reasonably optimized build is Pun-pun, you are an idiot. :) If the Rakshasa Rajahs quake in terror and wet themselves at your passing, primarily because you've got a DC 700 Frightful prescence... You might be a powergamer. |
| ressurrector01-29-07, 03:19 AM | If your character gives the Quori nightmares, you might be a powergamer. Or you might be one of the crazy players in my group...and they're still level 7... |
| turalisj01-29-07, 07:23 PM | If you think playing mind games against the elder members of the chamber, you might be a powergamer If your character was banned from ever visiting the Chamber, and does it anyways, you might be a powergamer. Or just an annoying copper dragon. :P |
| guesswhat1232102-06-07, 03:11 PM | If your the one who gave dragons there frightful presence ability, you might be a powergamer. If you have a Arcane Caster level 20 Devine caster level 20, and Manifester Level 20 before 20th lvl and still beat your oppenents with melee attacks, you might be a powergamer...or munchkin |
| Yadot02-06-07, 08:56 PM | If you use a class from Mongoose Publishing, you are a powergamer.:P If you can get the level 1 Pun-Pun to work in Eberron, you might be a powergamer. If the Chamber seeks your advice to interpret the Prophetecy, you might be a powergamer. If the Daeklar stay in Kyber to avoid you, you might be a powergamer. |
| turalisj02-06-07, 09:10 PM | If you claim gestalt is, and I quote from a player in one of my games, 'your secret luvva', you might be a powergamer. If you can't decide between playing a warlock/scout or warlock/soulknife gestalt, you might be a powergamer. |
| bykov102-07-07, 07:54 AM | If your worst ability score is a 16, you might be a power gamer. Or If you get realy good rolls. :teach: Approximately a 1 in 13,000 chance......so I would say.... If no-one has seen you roll up your all 16+ stat character, you might be a power gamer. :P Bykov |
| kyeudo02-07-07, 11:41 AM | Im sorry, but given that I have watched 3 people roll their stats and have their lowest rolls as 16s, one of them twice in a row, that just seems kind of unfair. |
| goblin_pride02-07-07, 11:48 AM | Im sorry, but given that I have watched 3 people roll their stats and have their lowest rolls as 16s, one of them twice in a row, that just seems kind of unfair. I do it quite a bit myself. But then again there are also times that I roll all 3s and 4s for stats too. It's great having luck that runs hot or cold but never in between. |
| Cifer02-07-07, 12:28 PM | Oh, my luck is funny too. I either roll constantly high or constantly low. Usually, I roll low in D&D and high in other RPGs where low rolls are preferable - and all with the same dice... |
| goblin_pride02-07-07, 12:47 PM | Oh, my luck is funny too. I either roll constantly high or constantly low. Usually, I roll low in D&D and high in other RPGs where low rolls are preferable - and all with the same dice... 20s and 1s, very little in between. |
| Cambian0002-07-07, 02:00 PM | You might be a powergamer if your Artificier decides that it is worth the risk "disassemble" a Gatekeeper Seal piece by piece so he can use the magic to build an "uber-item". You might be a powergamer if your Paladin stops the "above" Artificier because he simply didnt want to deal with the 'inconvience' of having to clean up the mess in the aftermath of a broken seal. ---------------------------------------------------------------- You might be a powergamer if the Lord of Blades stops a fight with you and asks you to teach him how you just did that. You would most difinitely be a powergamer if after refusing to teach him, he offers you treasure instead of more threats. ---------------------------------------------------------------- |
| Dm_Farble02-25-07, 03:28 PM | You might be a powdergamer if you have ever been slain by a single kobold. |
| Fallcourt02-25-07, 06:05 PM | If your idea of an animal companion entorage is four dire bears, one of which is huge sized, you might be a power gamer. If your cleric has evasion, uncanny dodge, can still cast miracle at seventeenth level, AND do it all in fullplate, you ARE a powergamer.... Guilty! (Divine Oracle P0wnz) If your idea of an arcane casrer is an Illumian wizard/sorcerer/ultimate magus/archmage, You are most definetly a power gamer. |
| kyeudo02-25-07, 09:46 PM | If people would rather face a second Day of Mourning than have you cast a spell at them, you might be a Powergamer. |
| RoamingArcher03-25-07, 12:54 AM | If Chuck Norris lets you hang out with him, you might be a powergamer. If you translate the Prophesy as a free action, you are a powergamer. |
| Cambian0003-25-07, 01:04 AM | Powergamers wield Lightsabers..... ALL HAIL THE EBERRONIAN JEDI!!!!!! |
| korcheck03-25-07, 07:29 PM | If you can refer to the Dark Six as Soon Dead, Gonna Bite it, Not in the Face, Red Shirt Number One, Oh NO It Doesn't Fit There, and Girly Man and they're only to happy to agree.... you might just be a powergamer. |
| turalisj03-25-07, 07:39 PM | You might be a powdergamer if you have ever been slain by a single kobold. I'll show you my ecl 15 kobold warblade, and you can tell me whether or not another ecl character could get his butt kicked by him. |
| Edymnion03-25-07, 08:02 PM | You might be a powdergamer if you have ever been slain by a single kobold.Obviously you've never seen Pun-Pun, the single kobold that can bend even the Lady of Pain over his knee. |
| turalisj03-25-07, 08:07 PM | Or taken on a clan of kobold' run by a dm who knows what he's doing. Honestly, if you have enough traps, eventualy the adventurers should get the hint..... :D |
| DragoonDarkfire03-25-07, 08:24 PM | If you can defeat a Rakshasa Raja with a single action point, you might be a power gamer. |
| goblin_pride03-25-07, 08:32 PM | Or taken on a clan of kobold' run by a dm who knows what he's doing. Honestly, if you have enough traps, eventualy the adventurers should get the hint..... :D The same can be said for goblins. *snicker* |
| Daydreamer03-25-07, 10:11 PM | You might be a power gamer if when asked 'who' your character is you respond a multiclass fighter/wizard/cleric/ mystic theurge with x feats to accomplish then. Then when asked about your backstory, give a puzzled expression before going 'of course' if i write something like an epic sword into my characters history maybe the dm will let me start with a magic item! YOu like playing in eberron so its easier to rise to the top of the food chain. |
| turalisj03-25-07, 10:19 PM | If you get involved in an arguemnet in any 'X sucks' or 'X is better than Y' thread/arguement, then you might be a powergamer. ((Guilty, can't help but point out the fighter's flaws)) |
| Lancer201003-26-07, 03:07 PM | If you can escape from the depths of Khyber using only: a scarf piece of scrapmetal your bootlace and a bit of tree resin off your cloak... You might be a powergamer ... or MacGyver. |
| cancerousmango03-26-07, 03:28 PM | 20s and 1s, very little in between. I call that perceptive vigilance. We notice and remember 1's and 20's more readily than we do 12's and 8's. |
| Belabras03-26-07, 04:56 PM | If you can escape from the depths of Khyber using only: a scarf piece of scrapmetal your bootlace and a bit of tree resin off your cloak... You might be a powergamer ... or MacGyver. I'm trying to imagine what ungodly ranks in craft MacGyver must have had. It boggles the mind. |
| Kensan_Oni03-26-07, 08:13 PM | It's just pure Knowledge Arcana and Use Magic Device. What an Artificer! |
| JulesCARV03-27-07, 02:44 PM | You're a dweomerkeeper (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20040522a) of the Sovereign Host, your domains are magic and artifice, and you've selected True Creation as one of your mantled spells. Oh, and for good measure, you've persuaded your DM to let you take the Magic Training feat from the Player's Guide to Faerűn in lieu of having to take an arcane spellcasting level, because your character is Aundairan, and Aundairans are maaagical. You might be a power gamer if when asked 'who' your character is you respond a multiclass fighter/wizard/cleric/ mystic theurge with x feats to accomplish then. I'm trying to picture powergaming as a multiclass fighter/wizard/cleric/mystic theurge. Perhaps there's some way to pull it off using obscure CharOp tricks, but it'd certainly be tough. |
| The White Sorcerer03-27-07, 03:02 PM | I'm trying to picture powergaming as a multiclass fighter/wizard/cleric/mystic theurge. Hey, no one said anything about being a good powergamer. Powergaming is an attitude, not necessarily a skill. |
| Daydreamer03-27-07, 10:43 PM | if you have an aberrant dragonmark that synergizes with every feature of your class/race. |
| Eled_the_Worm_Tamer03-28-07, 04:23 PM | If the first thing you thought of on reading the Chamelion Prc was that the bonus feat could get you any human dragon mark, you might be a powergamer. If you pick a prestege class first and then think what base class can get you there fastest, you might be a powergamer. If you can get Bab 17, Arcane caster level 18, using only one feat, and ability to cast spells safely in fullplate for one more, you might be a power gamer. If not being able to come up with a moraly viable reason to takeover the world leaves you without ambition for your charicter, you might be a power gamer. If the only time your charicter wept was becase there were no more lands to conquer (at lv 8) you might be a power gamer. If when your Lvl 8 charicter did the above, his or her tears were found to cure cancer, you might be a power gamer. |
| Leatherwood03-29-07, 08:03 PM | You might be a powergamer if WotC asks your opinion on new material, and then destroyed all evidence of anything you actually liked. You might be a powergamer if you can build a 20th level bard that makes CoDzilla look like your pet lizard. You might be a powergamer if you despise Forgotten Realms because it doesn't allow enough options. |
| turalisj03-29-07, 10:51 PM | You might be a powergamer if you try and make your character as much like an anime character as possible (again, guilty. But you can't help but be amazed by Sesshomaru) |
| Eled_the_Worm_Tamer03-30-07, 08:23 PM | If you make the charicter your DM secretly drea,s of playing, you mught be a powergamer (the sneaky insidious type at that.). |
| Yadot03-30-07, 08:46 PM | You might be a powergamer if WotC asks your opinion on new material, and then destroyed all evidence of anything you actually liked. You might be a powergamer if you can build a 20th level bard that makes CoDzilla look like your pet lizard. You might be a powergamer if you despise Forgotten Realms because it doesn't allow enough options. What are you talking about? Some of the most over powered stuff comes from Faerun (Pun-Pun, Cheater of Mystara, Twice-Betrayer of Shar). I still hold that a lot more of WotC's stuff would be balanced if they let the seniors of the CO boards hash out the mechanics first. |
| Ryuu_Tenshi03-30-07, 10:48 PM | What are you talking about? Some of the most over powered stuff comes from Faerun (Pun-Pun, Cheater of Mystara, Twice-Betrayer of Shar). I still hold that a lot more of WotC's stuff would be balanced if they let the seniors of the CO boards hash out the mechanics first. HE's joking, that's why. He's saying that if you're a true powergamer, even the Twice-Betrayer and Cheater aren't powerful enough :P nor is Punpun :P |
| The White Sorcerer03-31-07, 04:09 AM | What are you talking about? Some of the most over powered stuff comes from Faerun (Pun-Pun, Cheater of Mystara, Twice-Betrayer of Shar). I think that was the whole point. |
| KidChainsaw03-31-07, 10:38 PM | If your warhorse has levels in a prestige class...you might be a powergamer. If you rate d20 supplements by the number of kewl kombo's...you might be a powergamer. If you own every single d20 release (OGL and otherwise) and have only read the crunch...you might be a powergamer. If every gaming club you join consistently forgets to tell you where they are going to play next...you might be a powergamer. |
| Hungry_Backpack04-01-07, 01:21 PM | if your DM has only allowed you to be a commoner and 4 levels lower than the rest of the party, then you might be a powergamer. If the above is applied and you still manage to break the game, you might be a powergamer. |
| CaptainDakar04-02-07, 12:10 AM | If you successfully played a bard, you just might be a powergamer. :P |
| korcheck04-02-07, 01:42 PM | If you consider the use of a vorpal weapon for sissies because your bare hands are much more dangerous you just might be a powergamer. |
| Daydreamer04-02-07, 05:13 PM | When the mechanics lead your character development. And your roleplaying exists to justify your mechanical decisions. |
| Battlesmith04-02-07, 06:07 PM | If you're level total is over twenty, but you don't have more than two levels in any one class. If you pick a prestege class first and then think what base class can get you there fastest, you might be a powergamer. Hey, I totally do that.:( Except, I usually consider the prestige class as more of a character concept than a pile of abilities. -Battlesmith |
| Battlesmith04-02-07, 06:09 PM | If you consider the use of a vorpal weapon for sissies because your bare hands are much more dangerous you just might be a powergamer. Actually, vorpal isn't that great. Plus, with all the feats monks have for altering their unarmed damage (on top of the damage progression they already have), I could see most monks being powergamers if you go by this.:D -Battlesmith |
| korcheck04-03-07, 11:30 AM | If you consider the use of a vorpal weapon for sissies because your bare hands are much more dangerous you just might be a powergamer. Actually, vorpal isn't that great. Plus, with all the feats monks have for altering their unarmed damage (on top of the damage progression they already have), I could see most monks being powergamers if you go by this.:D -Battlesmith Ok lets revise it shall we... :D If you consider the use of a vorpal weapon for sissies because your bare hands are much more dangerous AND you're a KOBOLD sorcerer/ranger...... |
| arjomanes04-03-07, 04:45 PM | If your fighter is the most powerful character in the party, you might be a power gamer. If you spend your whole work day on the CharOp boards, you might be a power gamer. If you lose 50 buffs when entering an anti-magic zone, you might be a power gamer. If your animal companion is the most powerful character in the party, you might be a power gamer. If House Deneith exists to protect Khorvaire from you, you might be a power gamer. If you have one level of cleric and a sack full of night sticks, you might be a power gamer. If your kobold divine minion/wizard is the most powerful character in your party, you might be a power gamer. If you have 50 buffs still up in an anti-magic zone, you might be a power gamer. |
| turalisj04-03-07, 06:42 PM | I happen to have a kobold warblade who can hold his own against any tank in melee, does that make me a powergamer? |
| Melvin the Mediocre04-04-07, 04:32 PM | I happen to have a kobold warblade who can hold his own against any tank in melee, does that make me a powergamer? Yep :D Can we see him? If the Dragons of Argonesson pay your character an annual tribute, you might be a power gamer. |
| korcheck04-04-07, 06:11 PM | If house kundarick bank holds you on permenant retainer to test their defenses you might be a powergamer. |
| Eled_the_Worm_Tamer04-04-07, 06:14 PM | If your Dm reads your first level charicter sheet, leafs though the Epic level hand books, reads it again and says 'You win' you might be a power gamer. |
| turalisj04-04-07, 06:41 PM | Yep :D Can we see him? If the Dragons of Argonesson pay your character an annual tribute, you might be a power gamer. Player Name:turalsij Character Name: Tibur Caesk'Usk (Born of the Sword's Iron) Approved?:no Foundations: Kobold Foundation Race: Kobold Class: Warblade 15 Racial HD: 0 Level Adjustment: 0 Total ECL: 15 Experience: 112,500 Alignment: LN Languages: Draconic, Common, Undercommon Gender: Male Abilities Strength: 20 +5 (18 base, -4 racial, +6 belt) Dexterity: 18 +4 (13, +2 racial, +1 level, +2 gloves) Constitution: 17 +3 (17 base, -2 racial, +2 level) Intelligence: 16 +3 (16 base) Wisdom: 10 +0 (6 base, +4 periapt) Charisma: 10 +0 (10 base) Speed:30ft. HP: 146 (146 current) AC: 35 (10 base, +9 armor, +7 shield, +4 dexterity, +1 size, +1 natural, +3 deflection) Initiative: +8 Skills: Skill Points: 105 Class Skills: Balance: +21 (18+4-1) Climb: +22 (18+5-1) Diplomacy: +18 (18+0) Intimidate: +18 (18+0) Jump: +22 (18+5-1) Swim: +21 (18+5-2) Tumble: +21 (18+4-1) Feats: Flaw: Shaky (-2 on ranged attack rolls) Flaw: Inattentive (-4 on spot and listen checks) 1st: Dragonwrought 1st(bonus): Exotic Weapon Proficiency (bastard sword) 1st(bonus):Monkey Grip 4th(bonus): Quick Draw 3rd: Dragonwings 6th: Imrpoved Dragonwings 9th: Leadership 12th: Landlord 14th(bonus): Improved Initiative 15th: Formation Expert Class Features: Battle Clarity Weapon Aptitude Uncanny Dodge Battle Ador(crit confirm) Improved Uncanny Dodge Battle Cunning(damage) Battle Skill(opposed checks) Battle Mastery(attacks of opprotunity) Special Abilities: Maneuvers and Stances (see below) Saving Throws: Fortitude: +15 (9 base, +3 constitution, +3 claok of resistance) Reflexes: +12 (5 base, +4 dexterity, +3 cloak of resistance) Will: +8 (5 base, +0 wisdom, +3 cloak of resistance) Attacks: Base attack Bonus: 15/10/5 Melee: 21/16/6 Ranged: 19/14/9 Grapple: +16 Attack Kamate, +4 bastard sword (+25/20/15, 1d10+9, 19-20/x2) +1 returning throwing axe (20/15/10, 1d6+1, 10ft range, x2) +2 flaming longspear (23/18/13, 1d8+7, x3) Kamate (+4 bastard sword), 56,500gp +3 heavy mithril shield, 10,170gp +4 periapt of wisdom, 16,000gp cloak of resistance +3, 9,000gp Ring of Protection +3, 15,000gp +2 Gloves of Dexterity, 4,000gp +4 Mithril Breastplate, 20,350gp Belt of Giant's Strength +6, 36,000gp +1 returning throwing axe, 8,308gp +2 flaming longspear, 18,305gp total cost: 193,631 Leftover Gold: 6369gp Initiator Level: 15 Maneuvers Known: 13 1st: Steely Wind, Steely Strike 2nd: Wall of Blades 3rd: Exorcism of Steel 4th: Mithril Tornado, Lightning Recovery 5th: Dazing Strike 6th: Iron Heart Endurance, Maticore Parry 7th: Finishing Move, Scything Blade 8th: Adamantine Hurricane Stances: 1st: Punishing Stance 3rd: Absolute Steel Stance 5th: Dancing Blade Form I had changed him around from what I originaly had, making him more of a mob-buster than a one-on-one tank. I'm sure as soon as someone from the CO boards reads this, a thousand and one flaws will be pointed out. But then again, I don't care :P |
| Belabras04-04-07, 08:10 PM | You need to re-read Monkey Grip (as you are ignoring the -2 it applies) and flaws are generally considered weak sauce. |
| WolfHati04-13-07, 02:44 AM | If you are a druid who has the monkey grip feat, carries around a huge greatclub, and likes wildshaping into a horrid ape, you might be a power gamer. |
| Ryuu_Tenshi04-14-07, 02:46 PM | If you are a druid, you might be a powergamer. |
| CuttinCurt04-14-07, 03:53 PM | Is this a mechanical Powergamer... Wizard 6 / Fighter 1 / Spell Sword 3 / Havoc Mage 5 Feats of consequense: Craft Magical Arms and Armor - to make armor light enough to stay within the 15% arcane spell failier but still get a +8 to armor bonus (ie- Celestial Chain) Spell Penetration Greater SPell Penetration Arcane Strike (absorb a spell as a free action and get a +1 to hit per spell level used, and 1d4 extra damage per spell level used, (ie- absorb a 4th lvl spell and get +4 to hit and +4d4 damage on your melee attacks with that weapon for that round.)) Practiced Spell Caster Spells of note: Firestride Exhalation (from dragon magic) Lightning Leap (from complete mage) Abilities, battlecaster- able, with a full round action, make a single attack and cast a spell of 8th lvl or lower. (this character has 6th lvl spells.) Extreemly nasty little buger this char is, having no fear in one on one melee, or 3 on 1 melee, as the battlecasting allows no attacks of opportunity on spell casting, and even if triped, this wonderful character can fight from the ground easilly casting levitate or fly to take away such a tactic. Nothing is more dramatic than closing on this mage, having him do the lighting leap through the guy and one or two others, then appearing on the back side of the last person she lightning'd through, and absorb a spell and nail him for an additional 24 points of slashing damage. Nasty... Nasty... What think you? A machanic powergamer? Or just patient leveling until the havoc mage kicked in. I admit that this girl was not as effective until she took her first level of Havoc mage at 10th lvl. She has grown into quite a combatant of late. |
| Quoriil04-14-07, 05:08 PM | If you're a half-elf bard who can use your bard song to stop undead, oozes, constructs and plants in their tracks... ...at third level, you might be a powergamer. |
| turalisj04-14-07, 06:15 PM | If you've been hired to babysit the Sibling Kings, you might be a powergamer. :P |
| Nundahl04-14-07, 06:51 PM | I've you've been hired to protect the Sibling King's, as well as hired by another party to kill the Sibling King's, you might be a powergamer. ;) |
| goblin_pride04-14-07, 10:59 PM | I've you've been hired to protect the Sibling King's, as well as hired by another party to kill the Sibling King's, you might be a powergamer. ;) No, that's just maximizing your earning potential. That's called thinking out of the box*. If you're being paid to both protect and kill them you will succeed regardless of the outcome and you'll be paid by both sides (preferably in advance). The smart play would be to kill one and save one so that you can claim a victory to both factions and neither will be the wiser. *or duplicity, depending on the circumstance. |
| johnkretzer04-15-07, 01:20 AM | No, that's just maximizing your earning potential. That's called thinking out of the box*. If you're being paid to both protect and kill them you will succeed regardless of the outcome and you'll be paid by both sides (preferably in advance). The smart play would be to kill one and save one so that you can claim a victory to both factions and neither will be the wiser. *or duplicity, depending on the circumstance. Well you see that is sometimes what some of the younger players call 'powergaming'. Being clever and thinking outside of those tracks they call it powergaming. Me I call it what the game is all about. |
| goblin_pride04-15-07, 03:56 PM | Well you see that is sometimes what some of the younger players call 'powergaming'. Being clever and thinking outside of those tracks they call it powergaming. Me I call it what the game is all about. Huh? That's powergaming? I always called it playing both sides of the field. It's sneaky, conniving, double-dealing, duplicitous, underhanded and totally in character for pretty much every rogue I've ever played. It's sort of like betting on both fighters in a boxing match, you're guaranteeing yourself a win. |
| Edymnion04-15-07, 04:16 PM | Is this a mechanical Powergamer... Wizard 6 / Fighter 1 / Spell Sword 3 / Havoc Mage 5Okay, I don't have to go any further than this to answer your question. Yes, thats a power gamer. I have never found a reason to have that many classes that didn't smack of cherry picking abilities and min/maxxing. |
| goblin_pride04-15-07, 05:21 PM | Okay, I don't have to go any further than this to answer your question. Too many classes, I'd get confused. I guess that means I'm no powergamer. |
| Belabras04-15-07, 10:38 PM | I find you need to have a really strong RP reason to go beyond 2-3 classes. Once you've strayed into taking multiple prestige classess, you are probably powergaming. |
| The White Sorcerer04-16-07, 08:22 AM | I find you need to have a really strong RP reason to go beyond 2-3 classes. Once you've strayed into taking multiple prestige classess, you are probably powergaming. Oh, didn't you know that classes are just packages of abilities, and you're supposed to take as many as it takes to have exactly the mechanical abilities your character concept requires, class flavor be damned?* *The above does not represent the views of The White Sorcerer™ or any affiliates. |
| Ubermog04-16-07, 09:14 AM | I find you need to have a really strong RP reason to go beyond 2-3 classes. Once you've strayed into taking multiple prestige classess, you are probably powergaming. Unless you're playing gestalt, in which powergaming is implied anyway :D . On a side note: several people have said that PCs based anime characters are powergaming. While this is true in some case (I'm looking at you, Dragonball), not all anime characters are powergamed (and some just cannot be, no matter how hard you try). If anyone really wants I can cite examples of non-PG anime characters, but i'd rather just shut my mouth before I embarrass myself more...:blush: |
| Moblin04-16-07, 10:25 AM | On a side note: several people have said that PCs based anime characters are powergaming. While this is true in some case (I'm looking at you, Dragonball), not all anime characters are powergamed (and some just cannot be, no matter how hard you try) Yeah, it's kind of hard to imagine a powerful Shinji build :P |
| Ubermog04-16-07, 10:34 AM | Yeah, it's kind of hard to imagine a powerful Shinji build :P Asuka, yes. Rei, yes. Shinji... is there a class ability for "whiny brat"?:D |
| goblin_pride04-16-07, 11:33 AM | is there a class ability for "whiny brat"?:D Yeah, it's cleric class ability. |
| Moblin04-16-07, 11:40 AM | Yeah, it's cleric class ability. :confused: *Doesn't get it* |
| JulesCARV04-16-07, 11:54 AM | I find you need to have a really strong RP reason to go beyond 2-3 classes. Once you've strayed into taking multiple prestige classess, you are probably powergaming. I dunno. One build idea I've liked is something like soulknife 2/cleric 4/soulbow 4/Exorcist of the Silver Flame 10. That has two base and two prestige classes (same as the dreaded wizard/fighter/spellsword/havoc mage), but its point isn't really mechanical power. Shooting flaming, holy, axiomatic, silvered arrows of psychic energy just makes a unique and interesting warrior of the Silver Flame. |
| Ryuu_Tenshi04-16-07, 02:27 PM | Yeah, it's cleric class ability. No, no, it's a paladin class ability. Get it right. |
| CuttinCurt04-16-07, 03:40 PM | I appreciate the replies. It appears that this build, (wizard/Fighter/SpellSword/Havoc Mage) is mutually agreed upon as being mechanically powergaming. One more Question to follow this last one up is: What if a player looks at Prestige classes as progressions in abilities that have been learned through experiences during the campaign? Such as... "The reason I took spell sword is because, for the first 7 levels, I had a 10-15% chance of spell failier due to my armor I wore. I figure I learned how to cast during that time to lower my spell casting falier rate..." the other is, "I took havoc mage becasue I was involved in so much melee combat, that Arcane Strike as a feat didnt cover me. I still wanted to cast spells, and once the wizard slayers were introduced (where I could not cast defensively), I had to adapt to my circumstances, thus, I learned to cast without provoking an attack of opportunity." These things I totally agree with, as I was there in the campaign this this girl. Is it just luck it turned out as well as it did? I mean, she really didnt start kicking arse until lvl 12 or so. What think you all? Good reasoning? CC |
| Chie04-16-07, 08:32 PM | If your idea of basic combat maneuvers is 1)Grapple 2)Teleport to Low Orbit 3) Bounce,you might be a powergamer. |
| Quoriil04-17-07, 11:14 AM | If your character utilizes material from not fewer than 5 different publishers, you might be a powergamer. |
| Hacktor04-21-07, 01:17 AM | If four Liches above your levels say "SO. We meat again!" and your answer is *[Energy Burst]* .. you might be a powergamer |
| timothyx04-22-07, 02:39 AM | You might be a powergamer if.... ....You can get +30 on all diplomacy rolls at 2nd level with a Half Elf Bard ....You figured out 3 sessions in where the whole campaign setting was headed thus allowing yourself to tailor your character for maximum killing ....You convince your DM give you the Heir of Siberys Mark at 5th level because of a giant Dragonshard you come across in Xen'Drik ....You lie about your rolls, and kill off your Rogue/Fighter/Siberys Heir, in order to play a Wizard that will end up being even more kick ass than the char that you're playing. ....You can create your first level character and all stats for any race, and any class, with racial modifiers, AND figure out the encumbrance, skill points, plus/minus's, starting gold, weapons etc.. and know the pre-req's skill path for two dozen PRC's off the top of your head WITHOUT having to look AT ANY MAIN BOOK, Splatbook or Magazine... |
| turalisj04-22-07, 03:20 AM | ....You can create your first level character and all stats, encumbrance, starting gold, weapons etc.. WITHOUT having to look AT ANY BOOK... Guilty... >.> What, you get some things memorised after a while. :D |
| timothyx04-22-07, 03:31 AM | Guilty... >.> What, you get some things memorised after a while. :D Ditto.. it's why I felt the need to post the reply.. heh |
| Eled_the_Worm_Tamer04-23-07, 06:11 PM | If you think Your Dm was being unresonable for not letting you reserect Syberys with a Dragoon shard and a clone spell, you might be a power gamer. If you met a bound Dealkyr and rather than being affraid wanted to make it your slave, you might be a power gamer. If your 12th level Wizard /Warlock Eldrich theurge can solo a Beholder in 2 rounds, you might be a power gamer. ( all above were taken directly from my last 2 sessions :help: ) |
| timothyx04-23-07, 06:26 PM | ....You have an 9th level Arcane Spellcaster who has 15 Caster levels, but qualified for the Forge Ring Feat at 7th, but had to wait 2 Levels before getting the Feat. ....You can 1 volley and toast a 14th level Archmage, and you're a first level Goblin Artificer (oops, did i do that? sh**...) ....You Walk into a bar, and start a fight with 30 Paladins, and Your alignment is CE, and they can't use their Smite Evil feats. (hehe, figure that one out) ....If you join a game of 15th level characters, and ask to play a level 1 Aristocrat. Then go slay a Great Wyrm just to catch up to the rest of the players.... and Actually accomplish it. |
| kyeudo04-23-07, 08:05 PM | ....You Walk into a bar, and start a fight with 30 Paladins, and Your alignment is CE, and they can't use their Smite Evil feats. (hehe, figure that one out) ....If you join a game of 15th level characters, and ask to play a level 1 Aristocrat. Then go slay a Great Wyrm just to catch up to the rest of the players.... and Actually accomplish it. These sound like things that you actualy did. My question is: How? |
| timothyx04-23-07, 08:36 PM | These sound like things that you actualy did. My question is: How? For the paladin thing... it's quite simple. Well.. not that simple. it was 23 3rd level paladins who were on a pilgrimage, also, you need to have a DM who understands the difference between being CE, and acting CE. After all, it's not evil to defend yourself. And starting an argument where the LG paladin's decide you're evil and attack first, is also, not evil. Hence denying them their smite. Two feats and a couple spells also make things much fuzzier, 9 of them became fallen paladins the round they attacked and successfully hit, the rest were not as I attacked them first with the flats of my twin katana's (hey now thats not power gaming, :P), and thus allowed them to keep their status. All in all, toasted most of them, I was an 6th level Fighter/7th Level Ur Priest, and I had Able Learner and if I recall I had a level 2 levels of monk which were stripped from me by the combination of a wish spell and a level drain thing. as for the second.. well, it was a very long and involved process, but suffice to say, the other players were both completely pq'd, and amazed, but I gave them a share of the gold. hehe... |
| LugWrench04-24-07, 04:03 AM | If your DM has ever threatened your character with a "Daelkyr SWAT Team", you might be a power gamer. If your character single handedly defeated said team, you ARE a power gamer. |
| Eled_the_Worm_Tamer04-24-07, 10:28 AM | If your Dm lets you play what ever you want no matter how outlandish becase in the end it makes no difference to your power level and its quicker than arguing, you might be a powergamer... |
| timothyx04-24-07, 01:26 PM | ...if your Paladin gets to have a Holy Avenger at level 5. ...if you face up to a Pit Fiend at level 5, and defeat him. ...if your Dm feels the need to send a Pit Fiend against you at level 5. ...if your Dm asks you what the Level should be for the next encounter. |
| LugWrench04-24-07, 03:03 PM | If your character is a Xen'dric Drow Wizard with a DEX of 18, Combat Reflexes (i think thats the right one) and Mage Armor bumping her AC to 31 and 4th level, you might be a power gamer. ...Or you just bribed the hell out of the Dm. |
| timothyx04-24-07, 03:17 PM | If your character is a Xen'dric Drow Wizard with a DEX of 18, Combat Reflexes (i think thats the right one) and Mage Armor bumping her AC to 31 and 4th level, you might be a power gamer. ...Or you just bribed the hell out of the Dm. Shouldn't that be a Drow Monk 2/Wizard 2, with the Improved Natural Attack and Combat reflexes, plus having taken a flaw so you could get Improved trip? mwahahaha |
| Quoriil04-25-07, 05:56 PM | Shouldn't that be a Drow Monk 2/Wizard 2, with the Improved Natural Attack and Combat reflexes, plus having taken a flaw so you could get Improved trip? mwahahaha don't forget that he's a lawful good loner with VOP :P |
| kyeudo04-26-07, 03:31 PM | If you know why VoP isn't broken, you might be a powergamer. If your DM insists you take VoP, else you might create a tactical nuke by 8th level, you might be a powergamer. |
| Quoriil04-26-07, 03:37 PM | You're right... a powergamer wouldn't have VOP until at least 16th level :P Q |
| crow0404-27-07, 01:03 AM | You're right... a powergamer wouldn't have VOP until at least 16th level :P Q actualy, leval 16 is when VOP starts being mathematicly worse than magic items. before then it's above the curve, after slightly below. |
| Eled_the_Worm_Tamer05-06-07, 10:14 AM | If you have so many Arbalester homunculi that there bolts blot out the sun, you might be a power gamer (well, right untill that first fireball wipes them out) |
| clayball05-07-07, 03:55 PM | If you move into Thronehold, declare yourself king of Galifar, and nobody says or does anything about, then youmay be apower gemer. |
| Edymnion05-07-07, 08:45 PM | If you get constipated, and stand around grunting and straining all day, and people call you the greatest warrior in the universe and try to emulate your squatting fighting style, you might be a power gamer. Or a Dragonball Z character. Same thing really. |
| rampant05-08-07, 03:23 AM | If "I could so build a character that would make Goku mess his pants" was your first response to the previous post then you might be a powergamer. |
| Edymnion05-08-07, 09:56 PM | If "I could so build a character that would make Goku mess his pants" was your first response to the previous post then you might be a powergamer.If you have actually BUILT Goku in Eberron, you might be a power gamer. Is this where I mention that I did build Goku in Eberron? Gestalt Monk/Warlock Shifter with Beasthide. Yes folks, he even powers up to a tougher, harder to kill form. :D |
| Ryuu_Tenshi05-09-07, 01:13 AM | If you have actually BUILT Goku in Eberron, you might be a power gamer. Is this where I mention that I did build Goku in Eberron? Gestalt Monk/Warlock Shifter with Beasthide. Yes folks, he even powers up to a tougher, harder to kill form. :D If you have built General Grevious (The cartoon version. not the lame film version) in Eberron, you are in all likelyhood a powergamer. ((Ok. Not for eberron though she [yah she] could easily be run in Eberron. Thri-Kreen 2 / Fighter 2 / Barbarian 1 / Dervish 10 / Tempest 5 . Ph33r it. Well, at the moment only Dervish 4 / Tempest 0... )) If you routinely build characters based on films, videogames, or especially anime or videogames that are similar to anime, you are probably a powergamer. ((so, so, so guilty. Demyx from Kingdom Hearts II. Working on Axel, Xigbar, Xemnas, Riku, Sora... the list goes on. Have helped to build Rinoa.)) |
| JulesCARV05-09-07, 12:11 PM | Building characters based on film is powergaming? What about this: Dante Hicks - Human commoner 1 |
| Ryuu_Tenshi05-09-07, 12:16 PM | Building characters based on film is powergaming? What about this: Dante Hicks - Human commoner 1 ... ok. point taken. Though now you've given me horrible, horrible ideas about this. the question is, where IS the Eberronian equivalent of New Jersey? |
| Edymnion05-09-07, 01:19 PM | If you have built General Grevious (The cartoon version. not the lame film version) in Eberron, you are in all likelyhood a powergamer. ((Ok. Not for eberron though she [yah she] could easily be run in Eberron. Thri-Kreen 2 / Fighter 2 / Barbarian 1 / Dervish 10 / Tempest 5 . Ph33r it. Well, at the moment only Dervish 4 / Tempest 0... ))Nah, needs some Renegade Mastermaker in there for the artificial body. Though now you've given me horrible, horrible ideas about this. the question is, where IS the Eberronian equivalent of New Jersey?Suburb of Sharn. |
| korcheck05-09-07, 04:17 PM | If your minimum damage is 10 at first level..... |
| crow0405-09-07, 08:43 PM | If your minimum damage is 10 at first level..... come on, that's not even hard! |
| JulesCARV05-11-07, 07:03 PM | If you think "isn't that standard operating procedure?" as you read many of these items, you might be a powergamer. If your reaction to your character's death is "I Iron Heart Surge the condition of my own death, bringing myself back to life!" you might be a powergamer. |
| turalisj05-11-07, 07:25 PM | If your minimum damage is 10 at first level..... Goliath fighter with nat 18 strength, a large greatsword, and power attack. Strength: +6 damage Power Attack: +1 damage Greatsword: 3d8 damage Total damage: 3d8+7 (minimum 10, average 19. crit 37) There, a 1st level character able to take down one that is two levels higher. Without going into other feats. And using the weakest (IMHO) class in dnd. |
| JulesCARV05-11-07, 07:48 PM | Goliath fighter with nat 18 strength, a large greatsword, and power attack. Strength: +6 damage Power Attack: +1 damage Greatsword: 3d8 damage Total damage: 3d8+7 (minimum 10, average 19. crit 37) There, a 1st level character able to take down one that is two levels higher. Without going into other feats. And using the weakest (IMHO) class in dnd. If you're talking a natural 18 here, then racially adjusted strength would be 22. That's a +6 modifier, and since two-handers multiply strength-based damage by 1.5, that should give you +9 damage. Not that it matters, but large greatswords do 3d6, not 3d8. Power attack also multiplies by 2 for two-handers. So that should be 3d6 + 9 + 2 = 14 minimum. However, none of this is actually relevant, because a goliath is automatically a level 2+ character, since there's a +1 level adjustment. On the other hand, an orc barbarian -- actually a level 1 character -- can do it just fine. 22 strength for +9 damage, greatsword for 2d6, toss in rage if you need to. If you're doing point buy, though, natural 18s usually aren't worth it, since they cost 16 points. Of course, that bit about 18s not being worth it is from an optimization perspective, so perhaps being able to do 10 damage as a level 1 character is indicative of not being a power gamer. |
| turalisj05-11-07, 08:07 PM | At thier core, everyone is a powergamer. Some just reject that side of them for creativity. I like a little of both worlds :P |
| Eled_the_Worm_Tamer05-12-07, 09:16 PM | If you know what an opertunity cost is and how it impacts D&D, you might be a power gamer. |
| EyeHunter05-21-07, 12:25 PM | If you know what an opertunity cost is and how it impacts D&D, you might be a power gamer. :heehee sigged! I became interested in Economics after relizing that, exactly!:rofl: Probably more funny to me than most people. |
| kentonblack05-22-07, 12:01 AM | If you play a half giant barbarian psychic warrior, who wields a huge greatsword, can manifest the power expansion, and has the Monkey Grip feat, you might be a power gamer. A. He plays in my campaign. B.He is a goliath, not a half giant |
| Eled_the_Worm_Tamer05-23-07, 08:47 AM | :heehee sigged! I became interested in Economics after relizing that, exactly!:rofl: Probably more funny to me than most people. Thank you, I'm very flattered. |
| leeeroy05-29-07, 05:22 PM | If you get +110 to jump checks at ECL 14, you might be a powergamer. |
| RanAngel11-06-07, 06:13 AM | Originally Posted by Ryuu_Tenshi Though now you've given me horrible, horrible ideas about this. the question is, where IS the Eberronian equivalent of New Jersey? MOURNLAND. I'm sorry. New Jersey joke...it was just too irresistable. |
| DwarfPcfan11-06-07, 12:16 PM | If you turned the Lord of Blades into a cofee mug you gave to Aureon, you might be a powergamer... |
| 18DELTA11-08-07, 12:27 AM | If your character can single-handedly destroy entire Eberron armies, you might be a powergamer (or a FR character) SIGGED!!!:D |
| Khadmus11-09-07, 07:58 AM | If you took one level of a base class from Dragon Magazine to get four exotic weapon proficiencies to maximize your assassin build (which involves sneak attacking with a harpoon) and one of the EWPs was chosen at random because your 2 melee weapons were already selected to maximize your bluff check while dual wielding -- yeah, you might be a powergamer. Yeah! ....You can create your first level character and all stats for any race, and any class, with racial modifiers, AND figure out the encumbrance, skill points, plus/minus's, starting gold, weapons etc.. Ooh, I'm almost a D&D fanatic. And after only a year or so...just need that pesky encumbrance. |