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ydirbut 03-20-05, 10:30 PM	If Anyone has this PDF, I'm trying to link it to the Houses and Nations Aundair- Agrarian,Dark Age? Breland-Industrial, Agrarian, High-Magic (sharn) Cyre- ?? Darguun- Nomadic,High-Mountain,Warrior,Dark Age Demon Wastes- nomadic, Warrior Drooam-Nomadic,Warrior,Dark Age Eldeen Reaches- Nomadic, Agrarian, Sylvan Karrnath- Warrior, Dark Age, Agrarian Lahazar Princapalities- Sea-Borne, Trading, Warrior Mror Holds- Warrior, High Mountain, Trader Talenta Planes- nomadic,Warrior The Shadow Marches- Warrior, Nomadic, Agrarian Thrane-Temple Builder, Warrior, Agrarian Valenar-Nomadic, Warrior Zilargo- Renaisance,? Houses Cannith-Trader, Rennasance Deneith-Warrior Ghallanda- Trader,? Lyrandar- Air-Borne,Sea-borne, Orien-Trader,? Sivis-Rennasance Tharask-Nomadic, Warrior Thuranni/Elfitis- Dark Age? Mark Of Handling-?? Kundarak-Trader,?? I'm missing two, but I'm too lazy to get my ECS out.
ydirbut 03-21-05, 10:16 PM	Apparently no one has the PDF?
scwolf 03-21-05, 10:32 PM	I don't and I'm too lazy to get my ECS out.
The White Sorcerer 03-21-05, 11:06 PM	Apparently no one has the PDF?What PDF?
ydirbut 03-21-05, 11:09 PM	What PDF? This (http://www.rpgnow.com/product_info.php?products_id=4058&)
zambuka 03-21-05, 11:23 PM	As for the cultural list, I would suggest that most of the nations are at a more mid to late renaissance (15th, 16th, 17th century) with some of the more advanced nations (Breland, Zilargo, Karrnath and Cyre) more in the early stages of the age of enlightenment (18th Century, age of enlightenment is pretty much the roots of the industrial age. This era gave birth to imperialism, the great expansion of the European empires around the planet). I'd lump Karrnath with the more advanced nations because, basically, it is as advanced as Breland. Just their advancement is in a slightly different direction. Thrane is more Early renaissance with its heavy religious influences and tradition holding it back. Droaam, Darguun, Valenar would be dark ages. Lhazaar would be a serious mix with some island kingdoms dark ages while their neighbours, just a few hours by ship away, would be late renaissance. Most of the others would be at various stages of transition between dark ages and renaissance. The elves I see as more of an ancient culture, like rome at its height before decadence ripped it apart. They are very stubborn and resilient to change. Basically, many of the cultural elements presented in Eberron are too advanced to be dark ages. Technologically they are mostly undefinable because of the way magic mixes things up. Previewing, I notice you have linked to the PDF. Seeing that it is Mongoose Publishing... well.. lets just say I don't hold much respect for MP products.
ydirbut 03-21-05, 11:37 PM	The Dark Age cultural Template is more of a dangerous society ala Sharn, although can be used for dark ages.
stembolt 03-22-05, 12:17 AM	The comparison to European cultures is more or less pointless. Eberron tries very hard not to be Medieval Europe and it generally succeeds.
zambuka 03-22-05, 12:41 AM	The comparison to European cultures is more or less pointless. True, well not entirely. But it does give us a point of reference on which to build, modify and completely ignore as needed. While there is no way to directly compare specific parts of European culture to Eberron, you can compare the general ideas and concepts of these cultural eras to the way Eberron is now. Saying that Breland is in more of an early enlightenment period is different to comparing it directly to 18th century England (just as an example, with Sharn being London) and makes it much easier to describe and understand than having to try to invent a whole culture from scratch.
Roxlimn 03-22-05, 09:49 AM	Since Khoirvaire has never suffered a Dark Age, it would probably be better to map cultural tendencies to anything other than Europe. Indian cultural successive fragmentation and separation should work well. Chinese history offers some pointers, too. At one point Chinese influence was such that it held cultural sway over a large part of the Eastern part of the Eurasian landmass, quite akin, perhaps, to Galifar especially with all the Imperially decreed roads and visionary improvements and stuff. Without putting too fine a point on it, I quite believe that basing Galifar and subsequent fractured kingdoms to East Asia and the fracturing of what was once a massive Chinese Empire is far closer to the point than anything Europe has to offer.
stembolt 03-23-05, 12:06 AM	True, well not entirely. But it does give us a point of reference on which to build, modify and completely ignore as needed. In the specific, yes. In the general, no. Let me take a “for example.” I might compare Sharn to New York During the US Civil War to describe the corruption and influence of gangs. It illustrates the point, it also may provide some insight on corruption and crime, but that’s it. Economy, religion, immigration are all irrelevant. It would be fallacious to infer from the rise of Catholicism in New York a similar event in Sharn. So it is not a reference point but an illustration or description. Since Khoirvaire has never suffered a Dark Age, it would probably be better to map cultural tendencies to anything other than Europe. Khorvaire never suffered anything exactly like Europe, hence specifically European “ages” never happened. It also did not have a Crusades and a black plague. Though it is just as much like Europe as it is like anywhere else on earth. The point I am trying to make here is comparing Breland to 17th century France is much less meaningful then comparing the day of mourning to Hiroshima or the black plague.