Post/Author/DateTime	Post
polt 08-13-05, 07:07 PM	Hey guys. So, I've started DM'ing Eberron again. And I love creating my own adventures. I would love if Wizards created a forum only for building adventures. So all of us who would like help or inspiration could look there. I think a forum dedicated to Eberron adventures would motivate more people to share their ideas. I think it's a great idea, so please support me on this :) If you agree of course.
Majorafire77 08-13-05, 07:09 PM	Not only would I like said thread to be made, but I'd also like a thread devoted to n00bs who whine about sourcebooks and stuff like that, because that crap is really clogging up the Eberron general board.
Azual 08-13-05, 07:21 PM	Not only would I like said thread to be made, but I'd also like a thread devoted to n00bs who whine about sourcebooks and stuff like that, because that crap is really clogging up the Eberron general board. ooh, angry much?
polt 08-16-05, 02:39 PM	Can't I get some more support? come on guys :D
Ithamar 08-16-05, 02:42 PM	I think an adventure forum just for Eberron would be great as well! Hear hear.
Rechan 08-16-05, 02:45 PM	I'll support it!
Taylor Haven 08-16-05, 02:45 PM	Hachahchchaha! I like this idea.
edveal 08-16-05, 02:47 PM	I would vote yes. However, I think what we really need is to have separate DM and Player Boards. That would really help the volume in the General Board.
ieattrollsforbreakfast 08-16-05, 03:16 PM	If we want an Eberron specific adventures board (asside from the generic one we have), then I think we should merge it with other topics to wide the scope and appeal. So perhaps rather than just adventures, turn it into a Eberron DM's Workshop for campaign story arcs, adventure building, affects of altering some history...that kind of thing. So in other words...I agree :)
DragonWatcher 08-16-05, 03:27 PM	An adventure building forum is definitely a good idea.
Iron Head 08-16-05, 03:33 PM	I agree. You should put the word petition in the title, that way maybe the mods will look it over and when boards 4.0 is finally released ( and the search function is restored) they will add it in.
Elentilion 08-16-05, 03:34 PM	I definitely second polt and trolls on that! :thumbsup:
Waracle 08-16-05, 03:37 PM	Sound's good to me. I like stealing other peoples adventure ideas, editing them slightly and then claiming them as my own! :plotting: :evillaugh
Sereno 08-16-05, 03:45 PM	YES!! :dancin: Let's have an "Eberron DM's Workshop" board!! Good idea, Polt! Good name for it, ieattrollsforbreakfast!
Full Quiver 08-16-05, 04:03 PM	I 15th the vote! I also agree with Trolls on widening the scope and appeal.
Isran_Imrador 08-16-05, 04:38 PM	If we want an Eberron specific adventures board (asside from the generic one we have), then I think we should merge it with other topics to wide the scope and appeal. So perhaps rather than just adventures, turn it into a Eberron DM's Workshop for campaign story arcs, adventure building, affects of altering some history...that kind of thing. So in other words...I agree AGREED! When the P&P board started, Edy made a recquest here (http://boards1.wizards.com/forumdisplay.php?f=46)! maybe we should this time to :)
Altaris13 08-16-05, 05:06 PM	You've got my support! Actually, I tend to come to these boards for the inspiration as a DM. Too many people have begun coming here to complain.
Charles Phipps 08-16-05, 05:34 PM	I've made the Campaign Help thread as a stop gap "collection" thread for all those various game related questions for felows to comment on.
deClench 08-16-05, 06:17 PM	If we want an Eberron specific adventures board (asside from the generic one we have), then I think we should merge it with other topics to wide the scope and appeal. So perhaps rather than just adventures, turn it into a Eberron DM's Workshop for campaign story arcs, adventure building, affects of altering some history...that kind of thing. So in other words...I agree :) Yeah!
Charles Phipps 08-16-05, 06:20 PM	Yeah! I just want a concentration since I've never seen so many "Let me tell you about my campaign" threads in a board EVERY SINGLE day.
Tek 08-16-05, 06:25 PM	I love the idea and wholy endorse this product.
ORC_Paradox 08-16-05, 09:25 PM	You guy know we've got other forums, right? We've got one to support DMs. We've got one for adventures. We've got lots to help players. Start here and scroll down to see the list of forums: http://boards1.wizards.com/forumdisplay.php?f=8
Tek 08-16-05, 09:27 PM	I know we have those forums, but if we post for adventure creation for specifically Eberron in lets say, Whats the DM to do? forum, we get responses that suggest ideas that don't make sense at ALL in Eberron, or we get responses, "There is an Eberron forum, post there." I think just adding one little forum here about Campaign Creation or whatnot, as stated above, would be great.
Majorafire77 08-16-05, 10:57 PM	^Agreed And while you're at it, add the useful links that FR players get on their boards to the Eberron ones as well. I've always wondered why they get links to the boards business, character optimization, and other boards while we don't.
Waracle 08-16-05, 11:02 PM	Well, WizO_Paradox, you drive a hard bargain. So how about this: You make the new forum... and I give you ONE CANADIAN DOLLAR!
DeadZone 08-16-05, 11:07 PM	Fo real... I'm in. Great idea. Wide scope is a must. Wizards, pay heed or you won't be allowed to play the Quidditch! - DZ
Majorafire77 08-16-05, 11:44 PM	Well, WizO_Paradox, you drive a hard bargain. So how about this: You make the new forum... and I give you ONE CANADIAN DOLLAR! Make it within the next 10 minutes and we'll also throw in an AMERICAN DOLLAR! What a deal!
Waracle 08-16-05, 11:56 PM	Make it within the next 10 minutes and we'll also throw in an AMERICAN DOLLAR! What a deal! Total value: (US)$1.84! Come on Paradox! That's almost enough of some gas station coffee!
themind 08-17-05, 01:45 AM	I totally agree with having A "Eberron DM Workshop" forum. It would be a lot easier to get answers related to Eberron. Plus, we wouldn't get any questions about Eberron specific stuff, which we could get on other forums. So, you got my Vote!
Altaris13 08-17-05, 11:19 AM	I know we have those forums, but if we post for adventure creation for specifically Eberron in lets say, Whats the DM to do? forum, we get responses that suggest ideas that don't make sense at ALL in Eberron, or we get responses, "There is an Eberron forum, post there." I think just adding one little forum here about Campaign Creation or whatnot, as stated above, would be great. Exactly! Dox, we all know about that purty little scroll down bar at the bottom of these boards. After all, MOST of us ALREADY post in OTHER forums. But hey, we appreciate you pointing out the obvious.
Majorafire77 08-17-05, 08:24 PM	Now all we need to do is agree on the icon for the forum... I'd say this guy, but I have no clue who the hell he is: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/exhbk_gallery/90625.jpg
Ibbins 08-17-05, 08:36 PM	Err-- is that from Eberron? It looks nifty. I fully support this movement, regardless of its forum icon!
Majorafire77 08-17-05, 08:47 PM	Explorer's Handbook apparantly. Maybe it's one of the illustrations that they leave in the art gallery but leave out of the book (such as the pics of the Cannith Alchemist Savant and the Radiant Cultist in the S:CoT art gallery). I don't have the book so I couldn't tell you.
Full Quiver 08-17-05, 09:38 PM	Naw that pic is in the book. I dont have it with me at the moment, but it is in there.
Brastan 08-17-05, 10:25 PM	This is an officially published setting so we should begin to muscle in on the general forums. ;) Under the FR boards they have direct links to Character Optimization, Character Development, and What's a DM to Do? forums. I agree with WizO_Paradox, we should be using these forums. If it becomes a problem with flames and hate text then at that point some thing would need to be done. The "there is an Eberron board over here" excuses is just that and doesn't fit anymore. Instead of adding more forums all we really need is a link to those three and to actually use them. Now that we are comfortable with the setting it is time to join the rest of the boards in the general stomping grounds.
Tek 08-17-05, 10:43 PM	I don't want to join those boards in the 'general stomping grounds.' I like coming to the Eberron boards because its always 100% Eberron. I don't want to sift though "I just TPKed again and liked it" and "how much gold should my PC's have at 8th level?" threads that run rampant in the Whats a DM to Do forum.
polt 08-19-05, 11:07 AM	I want a shifter on as the forum logo. But people, apperently we need some more support. So go go go :) I really thinks there's a difference between making a, let's say Dark Sun adventure and an Eberron adventure. Not because of, like the races and nations, but because of the feel and stuff like that. And I want to discuss my campaign and adventure ideas with other eberron players, because people who don't know Eberron, won't be able to help me in the same way a person familiar with Eberron. I also think a forum dedicated to Eberron adventure building will encourage people to use it, and use the forum to share adventure ideas. So support people! :D
Bubbatron 08-19-05, 11:15 AM	As a relatively new DM i have to agreee with that as i've played in every D&D setting and no two have a similair "feel" and as Eberron tends to be a darker setting in some ways i dont really think you can apply some of the same ideas to it as that would apply for setings such as Greyhawk or even Al Qadim as they seem to be more of a Fairy Tale style setting (well in my opinion anyway !), plus if it was Eberron specific there wouldn't need to be as much ajusting done to any adventure ideas such as changing names, places, items etc. I know this seems lazy but when you have kids like i do a bit of laziness cuts out o a lot of work !! Sorry if i seemed to rant but hey thats my 2 pence worth ! :P
Arden Blackleaf 08-19-05, 11:51 AM	Eberron Dm's board? Oh heck yes! Add my vote to the list.
Save-vs-DM 08-19-05, 12:05 PM	Hey, an adventure building forum would be bad with me. Though personally I vote for an airship logo myself. Still, consider my support behind a DMs board! Cheers, Save vs DM
Ibbins 08-19-05, 12:39 PM	I've made the Campaign Help thread as a stop gap "collection" thread for all those various game related questions for felows to comment on. Trying to collect dozens of different topics and discussions onto one thread isn't nearly as effective as making whole new forum. It helps, true, but even now that thread is getting cluttered, and it's difficult to reference the individual discussions hidden within. Another convenience of having this new forum topic would be for relocation of those Eberron Logs. It's nice to be able to read people's Eberron stories, though it's a pain to dig those threads up.
Hammith 08-19-05, 01:11 PM	This earns my vote. I get much of the same type of thing when I've posted in the "What's a DM to Do?" section, or the other ones with Eberron-specific stuff. Most of the suggestions are from people that give things that just don't fit very well into the setting. It gets really annoying sorting through all the non-workable ones to get to the workable ones.
Ibbins 08-20-05, 04:32 PM	Looks like we've got a lost effort here, but I still think it's a really great idea. There are 25 "yes" votes posted so far... if this was to become a reality, what would be the desired goal? What did it take to form the People & Places topic?
Orion Polaris 08-20-05, 05:01 PM	I vote yes to an Eberron DM's board.
Charles Phipps 08-20-05, 05:08 PM	Trying to collect dozens of different topics and discussions onto one thread isn't nearly as effective as making whole new forum. It helps, true, but even now that thread is getting cluttered, and it's difficult to reference the individual discussions hidden within. Another convenience of having this new forum topic would be for relocation of those Eberron Logs. It's nice to be able to read people's Eberron stories, though it's a pain to dig those threads up. The same can be said for Keith Baker's FAQs, so to speak. I'm hardly the person whom will argue agaisnt a forum for these kind of things. I just think it's highly unlikely of Wizards of the Coast to give Eberron one and none of the other forums one. Largely I think the 'cluttered' nature is overstating itself since there's only 3 pages at present and on places like RPG.net, there's similiar threads with 6 to 12 pages. The 'Find' button is your friend. I do agree though that you're definitely right that a full forum would be preferrable and a "help" thread is an incredibly weak stop gap measure though honestly. I'm open for ideas though. Maybe we should make a disclaimer for posts related to personal campaigns or designate one of the forums other than general for it?(Classes and weapons?)
Elentilion 08-20-05, 05:15 PM	Well, who said Eberron would be the only one with a 'DM's workshop' forum? If this is the problem, just give similar forums to the other settings as well and everybody will be happy. :)
Tek 08-20-05, 05:26 PM	The WizO's won't be happy. The What's a DM to Do forum won't be used anymore because people will post for their help in the desired Setting forum. And I'm all for this. However, I don't actually believe that each forum needs a DM's Workshop - Just Eberron. I believe that Eberron is different enough from Vanilla D&D that when you make games for it, they're going to be completely different. FR and Grayhawk aren't quite like that. They're closer to Vanilla D&D - so close, in fact, that when you post for advice about one of those settings in the What's a DM to do? forum, the answers you get make sense. That just doesn't work for Eberron. If the WizO's don't give us a place, we'll just have to redneck one out like suggested. Sorry Magic, Deities, and Cosmology, looks like we'll have to use you for DM advice! And if they were kind enough to add a DM forum, I think they should add a Keith Baker forum aswell. Like it'll ever happen.
Elentilion 08-20-05, 05:45 PM	Indeed, I agree with all you've stated in your post, Tek. I really think Eberron is the only setting that demands a specific forum for campaign building due its uniqueness in relation to other settings. The "DM's workshop forum for each setting" idea was more on the grounds of an eventual complaint from other settings' players about an Eberron board "privilege" ("Why do they have such a forum and we don't? We've been around for much longer..." etc - this kind of thing). This thing would really happen, eventually. You know how geek the geeks can be around here, right? :D
Endless_Helix 08-20-05, 07:01 PM	I'm so for this. Eberron has a very different adventure structure than, say, Forgotten Realms. As stated before, people outside the ebbie boards don't have a good handle on what Eberron actually is. They don't seem to grasp that there doesn't need to be wandering monsters just waiting to die, or that goblins are no different than any other race in Eberron. This leads to some friction.
Joni-san 08-20-05, 08:47 PM	Well, while there are a few err... foibles, it does sound like a good idea :). You have my vote senator :P
Isran_Imrador 08-21-05, 05:56 AM	Looks like we've got a lost effort here, but I still think it's a really great idea. There are 25 "yes" votes posted so far... if this was to become a reality, what would be the desired goal? What did it take to form the People & Places topic? Where is the Eberron People and places Forum? (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=393813) Eberron Forum Request: People and Places (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=393944)
Ravenscroft 08-21-05, 08:20 AM	I will agree to whatever the question is , cause you put the word Eberron in it. :turkey:
ORC_Paradox 08-21-05, 08:32 AM	I do have to re-assign WizOs, But keep in mind a few things: 1. I have to balance WizO duties. 2. I don't like the thought of "repeat" boards. If we've already got a board for something, we shouldn't make the same thing again. 3. I wouldn't want you guys limited and isolated. Aren't you guys creative enough to pull ideas from other areas? If you get stuck in one section of the boards, you'll miss out on a lot. Plus, I worry about a "snobbery" effect of "gee, we need this for OUR area. We can't be bothered going to another area for it". How soon before I get requests for "Eberron Boards Business" and "Eberron Off topic" boards? Cross promoting and having people check out other areas prevents this area as well as the other areas from getting stale. I mean, what could be better at getting people interested in Eberron than by showing them the types of adventures that are created for it in a centralized adventure creation forum? That was, I believe, the idea of having the Races of Eberron book look like the other "Races of" books instead of an Eberron book. If we don't get new people interested, the setting will stagnate. I for one wouldn't want that. (Eberron fan, BTW.) One of the WizOs reported to me that some new folks started with Eberron as a setting, and they don't even know about the other areas. That's not a good thing. They should be going to the other areas as well. But, stay tuned..
Elentilion 08-21-05, 03:31 PM	2. I don't like the thought of "repeat" boards. If we've already got a board for something, we shouldn't make the same thing again. I don't think the Eberron DM oriented board would be "repeating" the general DM oriented one in a strict sense. It would be a double board as much as Eberron General, People and Places etc can be considered as such in relation to Forgotten Realms General, Faerūnian People and Places, etc. 3. I wouldn't want you guys limited and isolated. Aren't you guys creative enough to pull ideas from other areas? If you get stuck in one section of the boards, you'll miss out on a lot. Plus, I worry about a "snobbery" effect of "gee, we need this for OUR area. We can't be bothered going to another area for it". How soon before I get requests for "Eberron Boards Business" and "Eberron Off topic" boards? Cross promoting and having people check out other areas prevents this area as well as the other areas from getting stale. I don't think anyone is trying to limite and isolate him/herself here. We're just trying to get the best from the boards, and such a thing would obviously (for me, at least) be achieved in a more Eberron oriented board than in a general one. I'm not saying that the general "Campaign Workshop" board is useless: it's not – at least when dealing to other or homebrew settings. As stated before, Eberron is different enough from the "Vanilla D&D" for discrepancies between established notion and conceptions regarding campaign settings show up. We can pull ideas from other areas (and I'm one who certainly does so), of course, but not without some major twisting to adapt these ideas to Eberron: something that would be prevented in the new board. Furthermore, we always have a little of "snobbery" in any setting related board, for there're always those "hardcore fans" who "love" the given setting so much that they don't even look towards the others – and that occurs irrespective of the boards, it occurs in the "real world" as well. It's not a new board that will change or strengthen it. Some people are just like that. I understand your point regarding "cross promotion", since you're a board manager and want the whole thing to work just fine. But you can't expect that everyone gets interested in every setting and/or section of the boards. People have their preferences and usually devote their time to them. And it's such "devotion" that prevents the thing to ger stale, since these people put their efforts into something they like most, wanting to see it always new and with fresh ideas and opinions. I mean, what could be better at getting people interested in Eberron than by showing them the types of adventures that are created for it in a centralized adventure creation forum? That was, I believe, the idea of having the Races of Eberron book look like the other "Races of" books instead of an Eberron book. If we don't get new people interested, the setting will stagnate. I for one wouldn't want that. (Eberron fan, BTW.) I don't think that people will get interested in Eberron reading the advices in the centralized adventure creation forum precisely because they will get advices that are made by people who are not used to Eberron, people who will give "general settings" advices based on their own experiences with other settings. Honestly, I can't see how this kind of advice could be useful to anyone interested in knowing what Eberron is really about. Personally, I don't believe "Races of Eberron" is that good as a device of presenting Eberron to new people... but that's mostly because certain complaints I have of how the "fluff" was dealt with there. But I do believe that some threads here in Eberron General certainly can tell what Eberron is about to newcomers, threads such as FAQ for Eberron Newbies (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=254109) and Why You Should Buy Eberron (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=345851). If someone really wants to know about a new setting, he/she will go directly at its specific board, and not get information about it through indirect ways. One of the WizOs reported to me that some new folks started with Eberron as a setting, and they don't even know about the other areas. That's not a good thing. They should be going to the other areas as well. They're totally free to go to any other area anytime. They might not want to go there for the reason I mentioned before: they prefer Eberron and don't want and/or don't have to like all the others settings. Personally, I like Greyhawk and Planescape as well, and the fact that I like Eberron most doesn't stop me from going to their specific boards regularly. But, stay tuned.. I certainly will. :)
Altaris13 08-22-05, 12:11 PM	I never asked for an "Adventure" building board. But I certainly would love to have a board set aside for DM-specific concerns. And I don't mean "rules" of the game and all that crap. I want a board to meet with other dedicated Eberron DMs. I want a place that I can go to and share, discuss and compile the great ideas that some very awesome people on these boards have. I want a place that I can share the love and dedication of my favorite setting with other DMs. I want a place that I go to when my brain is fried and I need inspiration. A place where I can take my hard work and have it critiqued by people with the same love and dedication to the setting as me. Where I can bounce my ideas off of my fellow Eberron DMs. And frankly, I want a place I do all this with OUT having to wade through the crap responses of "this doesn't belong here" or "what do you mean drow don't serve Lloth" or "why CAN'T my warforged have an integrated blaster rifle?" PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE be so kind as to let us have this request. PLEASE!
Tanvalis 08-22-05, 02:28 PM	Yes, me too... I've not DM'd a game since second edition and now it has fallen to me to take control of the DM Screen. I would RELISH the ability to talk to other DMs about adventures and get ideas and such from them in a place where players will know they shouldn't tread lest they upset thier DM masters!
Majorafire77 08-22-05, 09:18 PM	WizO_Paradox: Brastan and I have both suggested that links be made from the Eberron boards to some of the main ones just like how the FR boards have links. I can't imagine that you have any reason not to do that, unless you think that FR people deserve it more. :mad: Don't get me wrong though, I'm still for this Eberron-specific DM forum 100% even after we get the links. And while you're at it, add the useful links that FR players get on their boards to the Eberron ones as well. I've always wondered why they get links to the boards business, character optimization, and other boards while we don't. This is an officially published setting so we should begin to muscle in on the general forums. Under the FR boards they have direct links to Character Optimization, Character Development, and What's a DM to Do? forums. I agree with WizO_Paradox, we should be using these forums. If it becomes a problem with flames and hate text then at that point some thing would need to be done. The "there is an Eberron board over here" excuses is just that and doesn't fit anymore. Instead of adding more forums all we really need is a link to those three and to actually use them. Now that we are comfortable with the setting it is time to join the rest of the boards in the general stomping grounds.