Answering the Mysteries of Eberron [Archive] - Wizards Community

Answering the Mysteries of Eberron [Archive] - Wizards Community

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stevelabny
12-08-04, 08:12 AM What is the general consensus of "solving" some of the mysteries put forth by the ECS?

I'm assuming that the big questions won't get answered anytime soon, so that I should feel free to do what I want, but at the same time, I don't want to wind up completely contradicting things to come.

The current plot ideas I'm throwing around for my party for our 2005 campaign potentially include at least partial answers to

- what happened on the Day of Mourning
- how warforged are "alive" (or where their souls come from)
- what the Lord of Blades was doing before the DoM

as you can probably tell, I have a Cyran Cannith and a warforged and a wizard who is insatiably curious about the nature of warforged and the Mournland in my potential party.

It might also have a Gatekeeper druid and a House Tharask Indiana Jones Dragonshard-hunter. So I will probably also need to work out some of the questions and answers surrounding Dragonshards.

So, if I carry through on my plans to reveal this kind of information, how much will I live to regret it. Or will it just be cool to find out what I got right, and what I did different when the truth finally comes out?
polt
12-08-04, 08:23 AM Keith has said in the Ask Keith thread, that what happened on the day of mourning is never to be answered.
nyysjan
12-08-04, 08:48 AM i'm woting for giant gerbils :D
LazarusX
12-08-04, 08:55 AM What happened on the Day of Mourning?....that's easy; everyone knows that!

Waffles.

Yep; you heard right. The entire calamity of it all was due to waffles. Oh, you don't believe me? Prove me wrong :rofl:

Warforged are not alive! Didn't you hear? They're all robots bud! Walking, talking Data's from Star Trek! Just add wood ;)

Oh; and about that Lord of Blades thing. Just remember; every battery-powered movable toy has its remote control. I think Merrix is having alittle too much fun with his Transformer.

I apologize if you think i'm mocking you; just trying to add some humor to it all. Look at it this way; your players obviously are really really getting into their character and the campaign setting. Let their curiousity hold them for years to come!
Marshall Stone
12-09-04, 02:06 AM What is the general consensus of "solving" some of the mysteries put forth by the ECS?

I'm assuming that the big questions won't get answered anytime soon, so that I should feel free to do what I want, but at the same time, I don't want to wind up completely contradicting things to come.

The current plot ideas I'm throwing around for my party for our 2005 campaign potentially include at least partial answers to

- what happened on the Day of Mourning
- how warforged are "alive" (or where their souls come from)
- what the Lord of Blades was doing before the DoM

So, if I carry through on my plans to reveal this kind of information, how much will I live to regret it. Or will it just be cool to find out what I got right, and what I did different when the truth finally comes out?

1. Polt is right, what actually happened on the Day of Mourning will not be officially answered, it's all up to you. Though you may want to look at this thread for ideas: http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=288984

2. A warforged is alive/thier souls come from the same place as that of any other living creature, ie Elves, Dwarves, etc., from Eberron itself. But what about the idea that Warforged remember thier knowledge/training as opposed to learning what they know? The answer comes in how Warforged are produced, by Creation Forges. The warforged are "remembering" the programs (for lack of a better word) that were installed on thier systems, so to speak.

3. What the LOB was doing befoe the DoM? Again totally up to you. Personally I have him as being a loyal Warforged of Cyre until he was "turned to the darkside" by an agent of the Lords of Dust.
stevelabny
12-09-04, 03:11 AM Well, sure we ASSUME that the warforged souls come from the same place, but we don't really KNOW that do we?
Only Aaren d'Cannith would know, and I assume he's dead.

But maybe the whole war was a scheme to get the warforged into mass production, and maybe unbeknownst to the 'forged, their souls (or at least a few of them) are really the souls of something dark and sinister, and cyre's destruction is somehow linked to the eldritch machine/ person/ spell / etc that would have "awakened" these dark sinister souls.

Basically, their souls come from ALL the other planes, so some of them are potentially daelkyr or who knows what, and there would have been a way for these soulds to either control the 'forged, or actually gain a body.

Upon reading the older thread about what happened, I see others have the same ideas, as this would explain why the giants also stopped making warforged, and could explain many of the effects in the Mournland.
Gez
12-09-04, 05:47 AM A possibility: Warforged souls are stolen from Dolor (forgot the funky spelling, Doluuhr or something). They don't remember anything of their previous life because of the trauma.
Splendide
12-09-04, 06:05 AM Well, I know I'm always on about gnomes, but I'm going to carry on anyway. Specifically: how linked are the gnomes to the Draconic prophecy?

There's a couple of pieces of the timeline that I wonder about. For example, the discovery of the Mark of Finding (Tharashk) by gnomes of House Sivis.

Sivis. The Scribing House. Not Deneith, not Medani. Sivis.

And Tharashk tribes happen to be coincidentally living around one of the biggest potential repositories of draconic lore in Vvaraak's Lair, almost like they were the last piece of a puzzle. Hmm.

Now, we already know that the dragons of Eberron love to theorise about the prophecy, and some even like to interfere with it. Yet the gnomes, with their addiction to rare knowledge, their unequalled information networks, massive knowledge repository in Korranberg and their general willingness to stick their nose in where its not wanted, are not particularly noted for their studies in this field?

My big questions.
1) What have the gnomes found out about the prophecy?
2) What have they since done to interfere with it?
3) Were house Cannith led down the garden path by their gnomish associates?
4) Was the Mournland deliberate?

And of course there's more...

Who believed in the Rule Of Thirteen/Twelve enough to see Cyre destroyed?
Was it to ensure safety or stability?
Which country was prophesized to be in line for trouble if the Mourning hadn't happened to Cyre?

Its all good :cool:

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
stevelabny 12-08-04, 08:12 AM	What is the general consensus of "solving" some of the mysteries put forth by the ECS? I'm assuming that the big questions won't get answered anytime soon, so that I should feel free to do what I want, but at the same time, I don't want to wind up completely contradicting things to come. The current plot ideas I'm throwing around for my party for our 2005 campaign potentially include at least partial answers to - what happened on the Day of Mourning - how warforged are "alive" (or where their souls come from) - what the Lord of Blades was doing before the DoM as you can probably tell, I have a Cyran Cannith and a warforged and a wizard who is insatiably curious about the nature of warforged and the Mournland in my potential party. It might also have a Gatekeeper druid and a House Tharask Indiana Jones Dragonshard-hunter. So I will probably also need to work out some of the questions and answers surrounding Dragonshards. So, if I carry through on my plans to reveal this kind of information, how much will I live to regret it. Or will it just be cool to find out what I got right, and what I did different when the truth finally comes out?
polt 12-08-04, 08:23 AM	Keith has said in the Ask Keith thread, that what happened on the day of mourning is never to be answered.
nyysjan 12-08-04, 08:48 AM	i'm woting for giant gerbils :D
LazarusX 12-08-04, 08:55 AM	What happened on the Day of Mourning?....that's easy; everyone knows that! Waffles. Yep; you heard right. The entire calamity of it all was due to waffles. Oh, you don't believe me? Prove me wrong :rofl: Warforged are not alive! Didn't you hear? They're all robots bud! Walking, talking Data's from Star Trek! Just add wood ;) Oh; and about that Lord of Blades thing. Just remember; every battery-powered movable toy has its remote control. I think Merrix is having alittle too much fun with his Transformer. I apologize if you think i'm mocking you; just trying to add some humor to it all. Look at it this way; your players obviously are really really getting into their character and the campaign setting. Let their curiousity hold them for years to come!
Marshall Stone 12-09-04, 02:06 AM	What is the general consensus of "solving" some of the mysteries put forth by the ECS? I'm assuming that the big questions won't get answered anytime soon, so that I should feel free to do what I want, but at the same time, I don't want to wind up completely contradicting things to come. The current plot ideas I'm throwing around for my party for our 2005 campaign potentially include at least partial answers to - what happened on the Day of Mourning - how warforged are "alive" (or where their souls come from) - what the Lord of Blades was doing before the DoM So, if I carry through on my plans to reveal this kind of information, how much will I live to regret it. Or will it just be cool to find out what I got right, and what I did different when the truth finally comes out? 1. Polt is right, what actually happened on the Day of Mourning will not be officially answered, it's all up to you. Though you may want to look at this thread for ideas: http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=288984 2. A warforged is alive/thier souls come from the same place as that of any other living creature, ie Elves, Dwarves, etc., from Eberron itself. But what about the idea that Warforged remember thier knowledge/training as opposed to learning what they know? The answer comes in how Warforged are produced, by Creation Forges. The warforged are "remembering" the programs (for lack of a better word) that were installed on thier systems, so to speak. 3. What the LOB was doing befoe the DoM? Again totally up to you. Personally I have him as being a loyal Warforged of Cyre until he was "turned to the darkside" by an agent of the Lords of Dust.
stevelabny 12-09-04, 03:11 AM	Well, sure we ASSUME that the warforged souls come from the same place, but we don't really KNOW that do we? Only Aaren d'Cannith would know, and I assume he's dead. But maybe the whole war was a scheme to get the warforged into mass production, and maybe unbeknownst to the 'forged, their souls (or at least a few of them) are really the souls of something dark and sinister, and cyre's destruction is somehow linked to the eldritch machine/ person/ spell / etc that would have "awakened" these dark sinister souls. Basically, their souls come from ALL the other planes, so some of them are potentially daelkyr or who knows what, and there would have been a way for these soulds to either control the 'forged, or actually gain a body. Upon reading the older thread about what happened, I see others have the same ideas, as this would explain why the giants also stopped making warforged, and could explain many of the effects in the Mournland.
Gez 12-09-04, 05:47 AM	A possibility: Warforged souls are stolen from Dolor (forgot the funky spelling, Doluuhr or something). They don't remember anything of their previous life because of the trauma.
Splendide 12-09-04, 06:05 AM	Well, I know I'm always on about gnomes, but I'm going to carry on anyway. Specifically: how linked are the gnomes to the Draconic prophecy? There's a couple of pieces of the timeline that I wonder about. For example, the discovery of the Mark of Finding (Tharashk) by gnomes of House Sivis. Sivis. The Scribing House. Not Deneith, not Medani. Sivis. And Tharashk tribes happen to be coincidentally living around one of the biggest potential repositories of draconic lore in Vvaraak's Lair, almost like they were the last piece of a puzzle. Hmm. Now, we already know that the dragons of Eberron love to theorise about the prophecy, and some even like to interfere with it. Yet the gnomes, with their addiction to rare knowledge, their unequalled information networks, massive knowledge repository in Korranberg and their general willingness to stick their nose in where its not wanted, are not particularly noted for their studies in this field? My big questions. 1) What have the gnomes found out about the prophecy? 2) What have they since done to interfere with it? 3) Were house Cannith led down the garden path by their gnomish associates? 4) Was the Mournland deliberate? And of course there's more... Who believed in the Rule Of Thirteen/Twelve enough to see Cyre destroyed? Was it to ensure safety or stability? Which country was prophesized to be in line for trouble if the Mourning hadn't happened to Cyre? Its all good :cool: