Artificer item creation questions (scrolls) [Archive] - Wizards Community

Artificer item creation questions (scrolls) [Archive] - Wizards Community

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spikegif
12-03-04, 10:28 AM I will be playing an Artificer tonight. This is our groups first attempt at Eberron, so we are a little unfamiliar with some new rules, but are giving it a try. I have tried to read up a little on some of the questions and errata that has been given, but I that much time to read over 100 pages of questions and rules along with the hand book and creating 3 other characters for my group who do not have the books.

Scrolls:
When an Artificer scribes a scroll, the max spell is Artificer lv +2, and caster lv is Artificer level. This scroll is not a divine or arcane spell so a wizards cannot place it in his spell book (info not in faq, but has been ruled my Keith Baker). This reason, I can understand, but that also means that the scroll cannot be used by a divine or arcane caster, as I understand the rules for scrolls in normal D&D.

From the SRD
To have any chance of activating a scroll spell, the scroll user must meet the following requirements.

-The spell must be of the correct type (arcane or divine). Arcane spellcasters (wizards, sorcerers, and bards) can only use scrolls containing arcane spells, and divine spellcasters (clerics, druids, paladins, and rangers) can only use scrolls containing divine spells. (The type of scroll a character creates is also determined by his or her class.)
-The user must have the spell on his or her class list.
-The user must have the requisite ability score.
So in the gaming world if your wizard/cleric/druid/bard ect buys a scroll from an Artificer he cannot use the scroll as he/she is an arcane/divine caster and the scroll is neither arcane or divine. A rogue or other character with use magic devise could use the scroll, but most magic users do not have access to that skill.

Creating a scroll.

Creating a 1-lv scroll of Cure Light Wounds is going to cost my first level Artificer 12gp 5sp (according to SRD 6gp 2sp 5cp the chart “Spell Component Costs” in the SRD shows cost as 1/2 x 12.5 x level of spell x level of caster) and 1xp, take 8hr (1day) to create and I need to roll a 21 on a UMD skill check. I get 2 chances to make this roll.
At 1st lv the highest level spell I can inscribe on a scroll is 2lv.

Thank you for any help.
Kid SixXx
12-03-04, 12:20 PM I'm not quite understanding your question, but your mechanics sound about right.
spikegif
12-03-04, 12:32 PM I'm not quite understanding your question, but your mechanics sound about right.Just wanted to understand the mechanics on item creation with the artificer. The other big question, what good is it to purchase a scroll from a artificer if you are a spell caster, you can not use the scroll. why even make a scroll as an artificer other then be using it for yourself or party rogue/bard or other UMD skilled char.
MarkB
12-03-04, 01:55 PM Originally, word on this was that Artificers could choose to make scrolls Arcane or Divine based on spell chosen, or personal choice if it could be either. However, this has since been revised to the current ruling, which is as you described it. I would guess that WotC decided it was simply too powerful for Artificers to be able to provide wizards with any spell from the spell list for casting or learning. The present situation does rather undermine the class's "item-builder-for-hire" concept, especially at first level.
Gurv
12-03-04, 02:05 PM Originally, word on this was that Artificers could choose to make scrolls Arcane or Divine based on spell chosen, or personal choice if it could be either. However, this has since been revised to the current ruling, which is as you described it. I would guess that WotC decided it was simply too powerful for Artificers to be able to provide wizards with any spell from the spell list for casting or learning. The present situation does rather undermine the class's "item-builder-for-hire" concept, especially at first level.
I don't like the ruling myself. My first question to the boards was if it was possible for a wizard to use an artificer scroll to record a spell into his spellbook.

I am a fan of the idea that an artificer decides what kind of scroll he is making when he does it. That fits the flavor of the artificer, as I see it. He is making a magical item by copying the process someone else uses.

The fact that he can create a scroll for a wizard to use to learn a spell doesn't seem overpowered to me. It costs time, gold and XP to create the scroll, and time and gold to copy it into a spellbook. So it isn't really something that can be pulled off in a dungeon anyway.
MarkB
12-04-04, 06:36 AM The fact that he can create a scroll for a wizard to use to learn a spell doesn't seem overpowered to me. It costs time, gold and XP to create the scroll, and time and gold to copy it into a spellbook. So it isn't really something that can be pulled off in a dungeon anyway.
I wonder if it's at all related to that 'spell pool' related Prestige Class in the Sharn book (which I don't have yet). After all, why bother joining a prestigious organisation dedicated to widening the range of spells wizards have access to, when a single Artificer can do the same job for you?

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spikegif 12-03-04, 10:28 AM	I will be playing an Artificer tonight. This is our groups first attempt at Eberron, so we are a little unfamiliar with some new rules, but are giving it a try. I have tried to read up a little on some of the questions and errata that has been given, but I that much time to read over 100 pages of questions and rules along with the hand book and creating 3 other characters for my group who do not have the books. Scrolls: When an Artificer scribes a scroll, the max spell is Artificer lv +2, and caster lv is Artificer level. This scroll is not a divine or arcane spell so a wizards cannot place it in his spell book (info not in faq, but has been ruled my Keith Baker). This reason, I can understand, but that also means that the scroll cannot be used by a divine or arcane caster, as I understand the rules for scrolls in normal D&D. From the SRD To have any chance of activating a scroll spell, the scroll user must meet the following requirements. -The spell must be of the correct type (arcane or divine). Arcane spellcasters (wizards, sorcerers, and bards) can only use scrolls containing arcane spells, and divine spellcasters (clerics, druids, paladins, and rangers) can only use scrolls containing divine spells. (The type of scroll a character creates is also determined by his or her class.) -The user must have the spell on his or her class list. -The user must have the requisite ability score. So in the gaming world if your wizard/cleric/druid/bard ect buys a scroll from an Artificer he cannot use the scroll as he/she is an arcane/divine caster and the scroll is neither arcane or divine. A rogue or other character with use magic devise could use the scroll, but most magic users do not have access to that skill. Creating a scroll. Creating a 1-lv scroll of Cure Light Wounds is going to cost my first level Artificer 12gp 5sp (according to SRD 6gp 2sp 5cp the chart “Spell Component Costs” in the SRD shows cost as 1/2 x 12.5 x level of spell x level of caster) and 1xp, take 8hr (1day) to create and I need to roll a 21 on a UMD skill check. I get 2 chances to make this roll. At 1st lv the highest level spell I can inscribe on a scroll is 2lv. Thank you for any help.
Kid SixXx 12-03-04, 12:20 PM	I'm not quite understanding your question, but your mechanics sound about right.
spikegif 12-03-04, 12:32 PM	I'm not quite understanding your question, but your mechanics sound about right.Just wanted to understand the mechanics on item creation with the artificer. The other big question, what good is it to purchase a scroll from a artificer if you are a spell caster, you can not use the scroll. why even make a scroll as an artificer other then be using it for yourself or party rogue/bard or other UMD skilled char.
MarkB 12-03-04, 01:55 PM	Originally, word on this was that Artificers could choose to make scrolls Arcane or Divine based on spell chosen, or personal choice if it could be either. However, this has since been revised to the current ruling, which is as you described it. I would guess that WotC decided it was simply too powerful for Artificers to be able to provide wizards with any spell from the spell list for casting or learning. The present situation does rather undermine the class's "item-builder-for-hire" concept, especially at first level.
Gurv 12-03-04, 02:05 PM	Originally, word on this was that Artificers could choose to make scrolls Arcane or Divine based on spell chosen, or personal choice if it could be either. However, this has since been revised to the current ruling, which is as you described it. I would guess that WotC decided it was simply too powerful for Artificers to be able to provide wizards with any spell from the spell list for casting or learning. The present situation does rather undermine the class's "item-builder-for-hire" concept, especially at first level. I don't like the ruling myself. My first question to the boards was if it was possible for a wizard to use an artificer scroll to record a spell into his spellbook. I am a fan of the idea that an artificer decides what kind of scroll he is making when he does it. That fits the flavor of the artificer, as I see it. He is making a magical item by copying the process someone else uses. The fact that he can create a scroll for a wizard to use to learn a spell doesn't seem overpowered to me. It costs time, gold and XP to create the scroll, and time and gold to copy it into a spellbook. So it isn't really something that can be pulled off in a dungeon anyway.
MarkB 12-04-04, 06:36 AM	The fact that he can create a scroll for a wizard to use to learn a spell doesn't seem overpowered to me. It costs time, gold and XP to create the scroll, and time and gold to copy it into a spellbook. So it isn't really something that can be pulled off in a dungeon anyway. I wonder if it's at all related to that 'spell pool' related Prestige Class in the Sharn book (which I don't have yet). After all, why bother joining a prestigious organisation dedicated to widening the range of spells wizards have access to, when a single Artificer can do the same job for you?