artificers and familiars... [Archive] - Wizards Community

artificers and familiars... [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
RagingDemon
04-03-06, 07:26 PM can an artificer qualify for the obtain familiar feat from complete arcane? this book came out before eberron campaign setting and the feat has a prerequisite of an arcane caster lvl of 3... i know that it' s up to the dm to use it or not but what do the rest of you think? would you let your party' s artificer get it?
Kid SixXx
04-03-06, 07:49 PM Artificers eventually gain access to homonculi, so I don't see why they'd need familiars.

If this is about the construct familiars introduced in Dragon Magazine #341, then I'd just house rule the construct familiars to the available homonculi list.
RagingDemon
04-03-06, 07:53 PM yeah, i know... that' s what i told my player but he insists on letting him have one...
Kid SixXx
04-03-06, 07:58 PM yeah, i know... that' s what i told my player but he insists on letting him have one...

Then just use the RAW.

Infusions don't count towards arcane or divine casting levels, so he wouldn't qualify for the feat.

He does realize that if he has a familiar & a homonculus, he's pretty much a goner if both die at the same time, right?
RagingDemon
04-04-06, 05:57 AM i know about the familiar, but do you get penalized if your homonculus dies?
DarkWarriorKarg
04-04-06, 09:09 AM i know about the familiar, but do you get penalized if your homonculus dies?

Yes... you get nasty damage.
Edymnion
04-04-06, 10:00 AM i know about the familiar, but do you get penalized if your homonculus dies?2d10 damage when it dies, no xp loss though.

And no, while the Artificer could count as a generic 3rd level caster, they specifically cannot qualify as a divine/arcane caster, and as such cannot qualify for the feat. They would have to multiclass.

But honestly, Homunculi > Familiars in just about every reguard. My Artificer has two of them now, and will likely make a few more before all is said and done. :)
Elderich
04-04-06, 02:32 PM If a player wants to spend a feat to get one then I think I would HOUSE RULE the feat to say caster level instead of only arcane. Why wouldnt a cleric have a familuar.

Can anyone find a good reason not to? I can't, but perhaps I overlooked some sort of overpowered combo?

And I am with Edymnion. I think Homocs, and constructs are better.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
RagingDemon 04-03-06, 07:26 PM	can an artificer qualify for the obtain familiar feat from complete arcane? this book came out before eberron campaign setting and the feat has a prerequisite of an arcane caster lvl of 3... i know that it' s up to the dm to use it or not but what do the rest of you think? would you let your party' s artificer get it?
Kid SixXx 04-03-06, 07:49 PM	Artificers eventually gain access to homonculi, so I don't see why they'd need familiars. If this is about the construct familiars introduced in Dragon Magazine #341, then I'd just house rule the construct familiars to the available homonculi list.
RagingDemon 04-03-06, 07:53 PM	yeah, i know... that' s what i told my player but he insists on letting him have one...
Kid SixXx 04-03-06, 07:58 PM	yeah, i know... that' s what i told my player but he insists on letting him have one... Then just use the RAW. Infusions don't count towards arcane or divine casting levels, so he wouldn't qualify for the feat. He does realize that if he has a familiar & a homonculus, he's pretty much a goner if both die at the same time, right?
RagingDemon 04-04-06, 05:57 AM	i know about the familiar, but do you get penalized if your homonculus dies?
DarkWarriorKarg 04-04-06, 09:09 AM	i know about the familiar, but do you get penalized if your homonculus dies? Yes... you get nasty damage.
Edymnion 04-04-06, 10:00 AM	i know about the familiar, but do you get penalized if your homonculus dies?2d10 damage when it dies, no xp loss though. And no, while the Artificer could count as a generic 3rd level caster, they specifically cannot qualify as a divine/arcane caster, and as such cannot qualify for the feat. They would have to multiclass. But honestly, Homunculi > Familiars in just about every reguard. My Artificer has two of them now, and will likely make a few more before all is said and done. :)
Elderich 04-04-06, 02:32 PM	If a player wants to spend a feat to get one then I think I would HOUSE RULE the feat to say caster level instead of only arcane. Why wouldnt a cleric have a familuar. Can anyone find a good reason not to? I can't, but perhaps I overlooked some sort of overpowered combo? And I am with Edymnion. I think Homocs, and constructs are better.