Can a warforge be petrified? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Can a warforge be petrified? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Kroell
07-22-04, 12:19 PM I don't have the book off hand so I'm not sure if the book says if they are or aren't subject to pretrification, but I don't recall it saying. So what do you think?
Kid SixXx
07-22-04, 12:40 PM Nothing in the ECSB says that they are immune to petrification, so I'd imagine that they are subject to petrification magic somehow.

Most petrification magic is based on turning flesh to stone, so then again, maybe they aren't since they are not flesh-based creatures.

You could argue that since Warforged are made of organic and inorganic material, that petrification magic somehow affects enough of the organic material to render the Warforged practically inert.

Then again, wood is the primary organic material that comprises Warforged. Medusas don't turn trees to stone, so whether or not they could affect a Warforged's wood composition is debatable.

Since they do not have nervous systems, they are immune to paralysis.
MarkB
07-22-04, 12:40 PM Going by the Flesh to Stone spell description, the answer is "no" = only creatures made of flesh are affected. However, a petrifying effect without that limitation (such as a Medusa's petrifying gaze, which affects living creatures) might be effective. Warforged are immune to paralysis, but I'm not sure that extends to petrification.
Nephet
07-22-04, 10:09 PM How about permanently (or as long as the spell lasts) slowed -- that'd be cool.
Moonlion
07-23-04, 01:37 PM Flesh to stone says: Target: One creature.
Also: Only creatures made of flesh are affected by this spell.

Creature: A living or otherwise active being, not an object. (Page 306 of the PH.)

So, it can be targeted.

Warforged contain orgainic material, so it's made of flesh. The spell doesn't say entirely of flesh. "Made of flesh" means flesh somewhere in the mix. Humans have bones, which aren't flesh, yet they're subject to the spell.

Page 23 of the ECS says that stone to flesh and the like cannot be used on a warforged because those spells target objects, not living creatures. Thus, a spell that does targets creatures would target warforged.

All of this suggests to me that they are subject to flesh to stone.
Harmon
07-23-04, 01:47 PM The warforged are most definitely subject to petrification.

According to their descrption they are constructed of both metal and other substances including wood and stone. Those other substances are what their joints are built from. If a petrification spell were to be cast upon a warforged thier joints would sieze up and they would be unable to move just as if you had cast it upon a fleshy being, as per the above description of spell. Even if some of their primary construction materials are not affected by the spell the rest still are. They would, however, remain consious as their form, still being intact...just frozen, has not been destroyed. They would remain consious until otherwise acted upon.
N'wah
07-24-04, 03:19 AM This just made me think- do you guys realize how gross a warforged with stone to flesh cast on it would look? ...Ew.
Soichiro Arima
07-24-04, 10:58 AM Originally posted by Harmon
They would, however, remain consious as their form, still being intact...just frozen, has not been destroyed. They would remain consious until otherwise acted upon.

What about a Warforged Wizard with a still spell prepared then? Or a Warforged Psion? By that discription of it they woulds still be able to cast/manafest (as long as things like line of sight are still avalable).
Remnant
07-24-04, 03:26 PM I banish thee, Double Post!
Remnant
07-24-04, 03:26 PM Originally posted by N'wah
This just made me think- do you guys realize how gross a warforged with stone to flesh cast on it would look? ...Ew.

Not to rain on your sick, sick, parade, but:

EBCS pg. 23

"Spells such as stone to flesh, stone shape, warp wood, and wood shape affect objects only, and thus cannot be used on the stone and wood parts of a warforged."

I would rule that a petrified warforged is treated like a petrified human and would thus fall under the specific use of stone to flesh that restores petrified characters. Now, a petrified human is returned to a live state, and their equipment is restored as well- no matter if it is cloth, stone, or metal. Note that they don't become some horrible lump of flesh. A warforged, then, should be returned to its pre-petrified state.
Part-Human2
07-25-04, 01:59 AM Oddly the Description for a Medusa's or the Basilisk's Gaze Petrifying Gaze (SU) Ability is "Turn to Stone permanently..."

Take an Iron Golem, who's Immunity to Magic states "An Iron Golem is immune to any spell or spell-like ability that allows spell resistance." Not only does is Pentrifying Gaze Supernatural, but it does not allow Spell Resistance. Looking under Construct Type, Petrification is not listed under any of the immunities. A Construct is immune to any affect that allows a Fort Save unless it also works on an object. Petrification is so poorly defined that it doesn't say either way.

BTW an Iron Golem Fort. Save is only +6.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Kroell 07-22-04, 12:19 PM	I don't have the book off hand so I'm not sure if the book says if they are or aren't subject to pretrification, but I don't recall it saying. So what do you think?
Kid SixXx 07-22-04, 12:40 PM	Nothing in the ECSB says that they are immune to petrification, so I'd imagine that they are subject to petrification magic somehow. Most petrification magic is based on turning flesh to stone, so then again, maybe they aren't since they are not flesh-based creatures. You could argue that since Warforged are made of organic and inorganic material, that petrification magic somehow affects enough of the organic material to render the Warforged practically inert. Then again, wood is the primary organic material that comprises Warforged. Medusas don't turn trees to stone, so whether or not they could affect a Warforged's wood composition is debatable. Since they do not have nervous systems, they are immune to paralysis.
MarkB 07-22-04, 12:40 PM	Going by the Flesh to Stone spell description, the answer is "no" = only creatures made of flesh are affected. However, a petrifying effect without that limitation (such as a Medusa's petrifying gaze, which affects living creatures) might be effective. Warforged are immune to paralysis, but I'm not sure that extends to petrification.
Nephet 07-22-04, 10:09 PM	How about permanently (or as long as the spell lasts) slowed -- that'd be cool.
Moonlion 07-23-04, 01:37 PM	Flesh to stone says: Target: One creature. Also: Only creatures made of flesh are affected by this spell. Creature: A living or otherwise active being, not an object. (Page 306 of the PH.) So, it can be targeted. Warforged contain orgainic material, so it's made of flesh. The spell doesn't say entirely of flesh. "Made of flesh" means flesh somewhere in the mix. Humans have bones, which aren't flesh, yet they're subject to the spell. Page 23 of the ECS says that stone to flesh and the like cannot be used on a warforged because those spells target objects, not living creatures. Thus, a spell that does targets creatures would target warforged. All of this suggests to me that they are subject to flesh to stone.
Harmon 07-23-04, 01:47 PM	The warforged are most definitely subject to petrification. According to their descrption they are constructed of both metal and other substances including wood and stone. Those other substances are what their joints are built from. If a petrification spell were to be cast upon a warforged thier joints would sieze up and they would be unable to move just as if you had cast it upon a fleshy being, as per the above description of spell. Even if some of their primary construction materials are not affected by the spell the rest still are. They would, however, remain consious as their form, still being intact...just frozen, has not been destroyed. They would remain consious until otherwise acted upon.
N'wah 07-24-04, 03:19 AM	This just made me think- do you guys realize how gross a warforged with stone to flesh cast on it would look? ...Ew.
Soichiro Arima 07-24-04, 10:58 AM	Originally posted by Harmon They would, however, remain consious as their form, still being intact...just frozen, has not been destroyed. They would remain consious until otherwise acted upon. What about a Warforged Wizard with a still spell prepared then? Or a Warforged Psion? By that discription of it they woulds still be able to cast/manafest (as long as things like line of sight are still avalable).
Remnant 07-24-04, 03:26 PM	I banish thee, Double Post!
Remnant 07-24-04, 03:26 PM	Originally posted by N'wah This just made me think- do you guys realize how gross a warforged with stone to flesh cast on it would look? ...Ew. Not to rain on your sick, sick, parade, but: EBCS pg. 23 "Spells such as stone to flesh, stone shape, warp wood, and wood shape affect objects only, and thus cannot be used on the stone and wood parts of a warforged." I would rule that a petrified warforged is treated like a petrified human and would thus fall under the specific use of stone to flesh that restores petrified characters. Now, a petrified human is returned to a live state, and their equipment is restored as well- no matter if it is cloth, stone, or metal. Note that they don't become some horrible lump of flesh. A warforged, then, should be returned to its pre-petrified state.
Part-Human2 07-25-04, 01:59 AM	Oddly the Description for a Medusa's or the Basilisk's Gaze Petrifying Gaze (SU) Ability is "Turn to Stone permanently..." Take an Iron Golem, who's Immunity to Magic states "An Iron Golem is immune to any spell or spell-like ability that allows spell resistance." Not only does is Pentrifying Gaze Supernatural, but it does not allow Spell Resistance. Looking under Construct Type, Petrification is not listed under any of the immunities. A Construct is immune to any affect that allows a Fort Save unless it also works on an object. Petrification is so poorly defined that it doesn't say either way. BTW an Iron Golem Fort. Save is only +6.