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KarlDark1
10-17-04, 05:59 AM a warfordge becoming a werewolf?

note this thread is for other question like this.
MarkB
10-17-04, 07:01 AM a warfordge becoming a werewolf?

Asked and answered in the Ask Keith Baker thread. Lycanthropy only infects Humanoids and Giants, not Constructs.
Edymnion
10-17-04, 02:14 PM Well, lets look at the evidence.
Werewolf template, only humanoids and giants may become werewolfs.
Living Construct racial trait, Immunity to Disease. Not just mundane disease, but any disease at all.

So, base creature isn't a valid target for the template, and its specifically said in the Warforged entry that they cannot contract any disease, including Lycanthropy.

So no, unless you want to houserule it, Warforged are not subject to becoming werewolves.
Angelion
10-17-04, 03:09 PM Nor any lychantrope at all
Edymnion
10-17-04, 03:18 PM Nor any lychantrope at allSorry, pet peeve of mine. Lycanthropy, outside of the corrupted game terms, refers ONLY to werewolves. D&D has it apply to all were-creatures, but they screwed it up. Lycan refers to lycos, which specifically means wolf.

The proper word for a were-creature of indeterminate origin (aka you don't know if its a werewolf, a wererat, werebear, etc), is Therianthrope, therian referring to a generic wild beast.

I know, it has nothing to do with D&D, or the original post, but I still like teaching people the proper use of real life words :)
Euangelion
10-18-04, 12:58 PM Would that make a werebear an "ursanthrope?"
Or a wereboar an "euangelionthrope?" :D
eigch
10-18-04, 01:09 PM No, but they can, however become a weretoaster or a weredishwasher.
Dex The King
10-18-04, 02:17 PM Originally posted by eigch
[a warforged] can, however become a weretoaster or a weredishwasherEach night at midnight the curse takes effect, as the warforged transforms into a horrible metal beast on four wheels, desiring only to squash anyone caught in front of him.

So, he continues, each death more gruesome than the next, until, one night, he is doomed to crush his best friend.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.
ENHenry
10-18-04, 02:26 PM "Even the 'forged who is pure in heart
And oils his chassis by night
May become a toaster when the sprockets bloom
And the Siberys Ring is pure and bright." :)
Geissmann
10-18-04, 03:40 PM Oh the pain, the pain...
SirLoin
10-18-04, 03:53 PM No, but they can, however become a weretoaster or a weredishwasher.
And not to be forgotten, the 'Tupper-were'.
If a more vile creature do exist, it has not revealed itself to this mortal.
ChronosCrow
10-19-04, 12:56 AM Are warforged affected by the curse put on by the Mummy? In the descritiption it's pointed out as being a curse and not a disease at first which leads me to belive there is either some mystical going on or something divine.
eigch
10-19-04, 01:11 AM And not to be forgotten, the 'Tupper-were'.
If a more vile creature do exist, it has not revealed itself to this mortal.

i have never heard a funnier thing on these boards ever
thank you so much
WotC_Dave
10-19-04, 04:13 AM Sorry, pet peeve of mine. Lycanthropy, outside of the corrupted game terms, refers ONLY to werewolves. D&D has it apply to all were-creatures, but they screwed it up. Lycan refers to lycos, which specifically means wolf.

The proper word for a were-creature of indeterminate origin (aka you don't know if its a werewolf, a wererat, werebear, etc), is Therianthrope, therian referring to a generic wild beast.

I know, it has nothing to do with D&D, or the original post, but I still like teaching people the proper use of real life words :)

I don't think it's as simple as that. Almost all people who refer to therianthropy are talking about the spiritual belief that deep down inside, they're another species. It's almost never used to refer to physical shapeshifting--and that's one reason why we don't use it in D&D.

(The other reason is that it'd send people scurrying for their dictionaries, and even decent bookshelf dictionaries don't have "therianthropy" listed. Merriam-Webster? Nope. American Heritage? Nuh-uh. Whereas anyone with a grounding in fantasy literature knows what lycanthropy means contextually.)

I'm aware of the original Greek root, but a lot of modern definitions of the English word lycanthropy extend it to all animals, not just wolves. Look at clinical lycanthropy, for example--it's almost entirely non-wolven.

--Dave.
Angelion
10-19-04, 05:09 AM Well the proper word may be that :p

Blame Garry Gygax.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
KarlDark1 10-17-04, 05:59 AM	a warfordge becoming a werewolf? note this thread is for other question like this.
MarkB 10-17-04, 07:01 AM	a warfordge becoming a werewolf? Asked and answered in the Ask Keith Baker thread. Lycanthropy only infects Humanoids and Giants, not Constructs.
Edymnion 10-17-04, 02:14 PM	Well, lets look at the evidence. Werewolf template, only humanoids and giants may become werewolfs. Living Construct racial trait, Immunity to Disease. Not just mundane disease, but any disease at all. So, base creature isn't a valid target for the template, and its specifically said in the Warforged entry that they cannot contract any disease, including Lycanthropy. So no, unless you want to houserule it, Warforged are not subject to becoming werewolves.
Angelion 10-17-04, 03:09 PM	Nor any lychantrope at all
Edymnion 10-17-04, 03:18 PM	Nor any lychantrope at allSorry, pet peeve of mine. Lycanthropy, outside of the corrupted game terms, refers ONLY to werewolves. D&D has it apply to all were-creatures, but they screwed it up. Lycan refers to lycos, which specifically means wolf. The proper word for a were-creature of indeterminate origin (aka you don't know if its a werewolf, a wererat, werebear, etc), is Therianthrope, therian referring to a generic wild beast. I know, it has nothing to do with D&D, or the original post, but I still like teaching people the proper use of real life words :)
Euangelion 10-18-04, 12:58 PM	Would that make a werebear an "ursanthrope?" Or a wereboar an "euangelionthrope?" :D
eigch 10-18-04, 01:09 PM	No, but they can, however become a weretoaster or a weredishwasher.
Dex The King 10-18-04, 02:17 PM	Originally posted by eigch [a warforged] can, however become a weretoaster or a weredishwasherEach night at midnight the curse takes effect, as the warforged transforms into a horrible metal beast on four wheels, desiring only to squash anyone caught in front of him. So, he continues, each death more gruesome than the next, until, one night, he is doomed to crush his best friend. Sorry, I couldn't resist.
ENHenry 10-18-04, 02:26 PM	"Even the 'forged who is pure in heart And oils his chassis by night May become a toaster when the sprockets bloom And the Siberys Ring is pure and bright." :)
Geissmann 10-18-04, 03:40 PM	Oh the pain, the pain...
SirLoin 10-18-04, 03:53 PM	No, but they can, however become a weretoaster or a weredishwasher. And not to be forgotten, the 'Tupper-were'. If a more vile creature do exist, it has not revealed itself to this mortal.
ChronosCrow 10-19-04, 12:56 AM	Are warforged affected by the curse put on by the Mummy? In the descritiption it's pointed out as being a curse and not a disease at first which leads me to belive there is either some mystical going on or something divine.
eigch 10-19-04, 01:11 AM	And not to be forgotten, the 'Tupper-were'. If a more vile creature do exist, it has not revealed itself to this mortal. i have never heard a funnier thing on these boards ever thank you so much
WotC_Dave 10-19-04, 04:13 AM	Sorry, pet peeve of mine. Lycanthropy, outside of the corrupted game terms, refers ONLY to werewolves. D&D has it apply to all were-creatures, but they screwed it up. Lycan refers to lycos, which specifically means wolf. The proper word for a were-creature of indeterminate origin (aka you don't know if its a werewolf, a wererat, werebear, etc), is Therianthrope, therian referring to a generic wild beast. I know, it has nothing to do with D&D, or the original post, but I still like teaching people the proper use of real life words :) I don't think it's as simple as that. Almost all people who refer to therianthropy are talking about the spiritual belief that deep down inside, they're another species. It's almost never used to refer to physical shapeshifting--and that's one reason why we don't use it in D&D. (The other reason is that it'd send people scurrying for their dictionaries, and even decent bookshelf dictionaries don't have "therianthropy" listed. Merriam-Webster? Nope. American Heritage? Nuh-uh. Whereas anyone with a grounding in fantasy literature knows what lycanthropy means contextually.) I'm aware of the original Greek root, but a lot of modern definitions of the English word lycanthropy extend it to all animals, not just wolves. Look at clinical lycanthropy, for example--it's almost entirely non-wolven. --Dave.
Angelion 10-19-04, 05:09 AM	Well the proper word may be that :p Blame Garry Gygax.