Clarification on Endurance Feat [Archive] - Wizards Community

Clarification on Endurance Feat [Archive] - Wizards Community

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invisiblekid
11-17-06, 04:18 PM Warforged. Fighter 6, Juggernaut 2.
Given that a second level Juggernaut is immune to non-lethal damage (and extra damage from critical hits - but, that's trivial, with what I would like to ask), and need not eat, sleep, or breathe, does s/he need to take the Endurance feat to get other feats? I can't even recall the feat that made me think of this, but the pre-req was Endurance. After looking up the Endurance feat, I came to the conclusion that once I level up to Juggernaut 2, I will already have all of the benefits that Endurance grants.
Due to this, would I still need to take the feat to be eligible for others, or do I just "naturally" have the Endurance feat?
GimliGloinson
11-17-06, 04:33 PM I think you're aiming for the Diehard feat. Unfortunately, unless the description says: "treat this as the Endurance feat," or some such language, then it would not count for purposes of meeting other feat prereqs. Sorry. By-the-way, Diehard is very nice, IMO! Almost worth wasting the Endurance feat in the first place. :P
Edymnion
11-17-06, 04:41 PM Thats the point. Endurance is pretty much a waste of a feat, and it's use as a prereq is to balance the more powerful feat. Essentially, you are spending two feat slots on one effect.
Ajira2k
11-17-06, 04:41 PM Unless of course, his DM overruled it. ;)
Edymnion
11-17-06, 06:11 PM Unless of course, his DM overruled it. ;)Yeah, but at that point nothing matters, as the DM can do whatever they want. :P
ressurrector
11-17-06, 06:48 PM I think there was something in one of the books about "virtual" qualifications.
The gist of it was that even though you didn't have a feat, etc... so long as you had all the benefits thereof you could qualify for things as if you did have it, for so long as you maintained the qualities that simulated the feat.

The "treat this as the [blank] feat" text is generally for other feats that do a different thing entirely, but are in the same "tree" as it were.
Like Shadow Blade in ToB that counts as having Weapon Finesse, even though the effects are different.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
invisiblekid 11-17-06, 04:18 PM	Warforged. Fighter 6, Juggernaut 2. Given that a second level Juggernaut is immune to non-lethal damage (and extra damage from critical hits - but, that's trivial, with what I would like to ask), and need not eat, sleep, or breathe, does s/he need to take the Endurance feat to get other feats? I can't even recall the feat that made me think of this, but the pre-req was Endurance. After looking up the Endurance feat, I came to the conclusion that once I level up to Juggernaut 2, I will already have all of the benefits that Endurance grants. Due to this, would I still need to take the feat to be eligible for others, or do I just "naturally" have the Endurance feat?
GimliGloinson 11-17-06, 04:33 PM	I think you're aiming for the Diehard feat. Unfortunately, unless the description says: "treat this as the Endurance feat," or some such language, then it would not count for purposes of meeting other feat prereqs. Sorry. By-the-way, Diehard is very nice, IMO! Almost worth wasting the Endurance feat in the first place. :P
Edymnion 11-17-06, 04:41 PM	Thats the point. Endurance is pretty much a waste of a feat, and it's use as a prereq is to balance the more powerful feat. Essentially, you are spending two feat slots on one effect.
Ajira2k 11-17-06, 04:41 PM	Unless of course, his DM overruled it. ;)
Edymnion 11-17-06, 06:11 PM	Unless of course, his DM overruled it. ;)Yeah, but at that point nothing matters, as the DM can do whatever they want. :P
ressurrector 11-17-06, 06:48 PM	I think there was something in one of the books about "virtual" qualifications. The gist of it was that even though you didn't have a feat, etc... so long as you had all the benefits thereof you could qualify for things as if you did have it, for so long as you maintained the qualities that simulated the feat. The "treat this as the [blank] feat" text is generally for other feats that do a different thing entirely, but are in the same "tree" as it were. Like Shadow Blade in ToB that counts as having Weapon Finesse, even though the effects are different.