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GuyeNoir 10-19-06, 01:25 PM	Hello all. I'm a relatively new DM (new to both DMing and Eberron). After getting my group together and introducing them to them setting, I decided to run through the Forgotten Foundry adventure, possibly continuing on to all three of the successive adventures (assuming we have time for them). However, going over the details of FF, I noticed there's quite a bit of treasure to be found (here thar be spoilers) I tallied up all the items' gp value (assuming all items are sold) and got well over 3,200 gp (including Elaydren's reward). This figure assumes that the players search every room and loot every corpse, and knowing my players, they probably will. This seems like a lot for first level characters, especially considering the DMG suggests a party of 2nd level characters should have around 900 gp between all four of them. So, should I take some treasure out of it, or do you think the adventure is difficult enough to warrent such high rewards? P.S. How do I do the fancy clickable spoiler thingy? P.P.S. Thanks Kid SixXx
ChimericalWolf 10-19-06, 02:30 PM	Uh, they should have 900 gp _each_.
GuyeNoir 10-19-06, 03:23 PM	Really? The way the description of the chart is worded makes me think that's the combined wealth of the whole party. "No Adventure meant for 7th level characters... will require or assume that the party possesses a magic item that costs 20,000 gp" (DMG p. 135). Although the way the chart itself is worded, it could go either way (since it's labled "character level", not "effective party level"). If you're right, then my last DM was a stingy bastard. My last character didn't hit 1,000 gp until level 6.
Tyryt 10-19-06, 06:20 PM	Yep that's the expected wealth per character. Keep in mind, however, that it's a general figure, not a hard rule, and depending on the circumstances could be more or less, and could fluctuate wildly. Characters are, even mid-level ones, quite wealthy. Granted, most of that wealth is tied up in actual possesions and not cash or land holdings. IMO, most mid-level characters (in Eberron at least) are almost garaunteed to be approached by one or more organizations/governments and persuaded to work for them, they are powerful (lets face it, if you can cast fireball four times a day you can easily change the tide in all but the largest battles all by yourself, not to mention the utility of having someone supply your forces with wands and such). Such characters are also likely to attract enough other attention from people who want them eliminated (makes for good intrigue/spy/counter-spy/assasination plots), as well as having to 'take orders' (Whoot! More instant plot hooks!). Of course, a party of 12th level characters with attitude, charisma (in the general sense, not neccisarily stat sense), and determination could probably start their own country as long as they were't stupid about it. As for the Forgotten Forge specifically, much of the things they get probably won't be kept by them, but sold, and merchants don't buy things (especially things of questionable origin) for market price, while other things most people will simply have no market ("Another crossbow? No thanks, since the war ended there are plenty, and no buyers.")
Raziel_Brokodar 10-19-06, 07:37 PM	Uh, they should have 900 gp _each_. yep, that's for each individual character, not between the four of them
Kid SixXx 10-19-06, 11:10 PM	P.S. How do I do the fancy clickable spoiler thingy? Use [sblock]
Edymnion 10-20-06, 12:37 AM	Really? The way the description of the chart is worded makes me think that's the combined wealth of the whole party. "No Adventure meant for 7th level characters... will require or assume that the party possesses a magic item that costs 20,000 gp" (DMG p. 135). Although the way the chart itself is worded, it could go either way (since it's labled "character level", not "effective party level").Even if the item is owned by the party as a whole, it still will generally only be used by one person at any given time, and that would affect that character's wealth. Referring to the party as a whole also generally includes referring to an individual character's posessions. You will also hear people say things like the party having access to things like Dispel Magic, but that doesn't mean everyone in the party has it, just one person that can use it on behalf of the group. If you're right, then my last DM was a stingy bastard. My last character didn't hit 1,000 gp until level 6.Depends, its a matter of personal taste really. You can actually have a lot of fun when you're poor and you can't just throw money at the problem to make it go away. Keith's novels have the characters at fairly high levels for Eberron (7-9), and they have essentially nothing but mundane gear and hurt for enough money to stay at an inn. However, many encounters are balanced on the assumption that the party will be properly equipped for their level, meaning an under-equipped party may not be able to overcome equal CR challenges. As long as your DM knew how to balance the game for low wealth and still managed to keep it fun, then he didn't do anything wrong.
Ricohard_Draconis 10-24-06, 04:19 AM	all the money they do get seems to go to Lei... she's obviously scamming them both :) but yes, there is quite bit front loaded in the forgotten forge but they're going to earn every Copper Piece. The adventure is actually quite hard and can come very close to kill the party if they don't catch all the clues very quickly. Though the real motherload is in SoTLW (i think thats the next one. The bag full of stuff is quite worth it, especially if you have a warforged, since it stipulates per party member. And a HHH and a box full of platinum and a letter of kundarak credit is a lot to hit them with but again they need it.