Disturbing idea about bags of holding [Archive] - Wizards Community

Disturbing idea about bags of holding [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Spirit_Golem
11-12-05, 03:15 AM I have found an easy way of commiting murder, and making sure the body is never found. Since Eberron is a "wide magic" campaign Bags of Holding should be semi-commonplace, and, although PC classes are rare, it only takes one to figure this out. you need to have access to the spell reduce person to be able to do this, but as a first level spell, any 1st level sorcerer or wizard can use it, further allowing for the availibility of theis plot.

Here are the steps:

1. Buy a single bag of holding.
2. corner your victim somewere they cannot escape or fight back.
3. If they are medium size and humanoid, cast Reduce Person on them.
4. Shove them into the bag of holding.

That's it. After that, just wait for them to die of suffication, and pierce the bag. Of course, most people would not be able to afford more than one bag of holding, but you can repeat this process until the bag is overloaded, and not have any problems.

I think that I may be a little disturbed for thinking this up, but it is a serious issue.
Effling
11-12-05, 03:47 AM Sure. Remember that it only makes a Medium-sized humanoid Small, not Diminutive or Fine or anything like that, so it's not like you can just pick them up with one hand. It'd be just as hard to get a halfling in the bag as a Reduced human. It's a nifty way of getting rid of the evidence though.
DarkWarriorKarg
11-12-05, 08:32 AM Don't even waste the bag... just empty it over a river.

Oh... and don't forget the Bag of Devouring...
Zedium
11-12-05, 10:15 AM There are even worse tactics with bags of holding. Immagine using them as weapons of war in combination with portable holes. Just cast Unseen Servant and order the servant to run into an enemy stronghold and then put the hole in the bag.
Spirit_Golem
11-13-05, 04:59 PM Just had an idea of how to incapacitate the intended victim; sleep, another first level spell that most wizards know. I think that a murder mystery type of campaign could revolve around a cheap magejust doing this, but continuing to use the same bag over and over so that the PCs might actually be able to find the evdience.
Azual
11-13-05, 05:51 PM :plotting: :evillaugh

that is all. :D
Gnome_Dragon_Disciple
11-15-05, 12:39 AM Killing people is cheap. Paying others to do your killing for you isn't... ESPECIALLY if they're the sort of high-reputation assasin who can afford an eternal wand of Unseen Servant to slip into someone's room at night with a portable hole and bag of holding. Or maybe you could set up a story arc where a goblin thief rummaging in Undersharn managed to find a Sphere of Annihilation and the amulet that makes controlling it a little easier... One of those things would really make murder a cinch in Sharn.
DarkWarriorKarg
11-15-05, 07:57 AM Killing people is cheap. Paying others to do your killing for you isn't... ESPECIALLY if they're the sort of high-reputation assasin who can afford an eternal wand of Unseen Servant to slip into someone's room at night with a portable hole and bag of holding. Or maybe you could set up a story arc where a goblin thief rummaging in Undersharn managed to find a Sphere of Annihilation and the amulet that makes controlling it a little easier... One of those things would really make murder a cinch in Sharn.

Hmmm... that's an idea for the Boromars... they have a "cleaning" service...
Pan_Ai_Khan
11-15-05, 08:12 AM Does anyone else remember a fantasy book where the 'Heroine' had a longsword with a sphere of annihilation forged into it's tip?

Or is it just me?
Thrincold
11-15-05, 09:34 AM Does anyone else remember a fantasy book where the 'Heroine' had a longsword with a sphere of annihilation forged into it's tip?

Or is it just me?

There was a fantasy series call "Door into Sunset" and such. One of the main characters had a sword that was a splinter of the door frame into death. It was basically a sphere of anilallation (sp?) that you could hold on one end and wield as a sword. Think lightsaber from SWRPG basically, but a solid piece of dark nothingness.

I believe the sword was call Skadwhe or something similar, it's been 10 years or so since I read the book series.
Zemyla
11-15-05, 08:15 PM Have a bag of holding full of bricks, and empty it over your victim at a height. If you drop them from high enough, each brick does 20d6 points of damage, more than enough to render someone a reddish pulp.
=BR=Luckyshot
11-17-05, 08:19 PM finding a bag of holding with a corpse already in it would make a good adventure hook :D
Siran Dunmorgan
11-17-05, 09:37 PM Does anyone else remember a fantasy book where the 'Heroine' had a longsword with a sphere of annihilation forged into it's tip?

Or is it just me?

Not just one book: Gate of Ivrel, Well of Shiuan, Fires of Azeroth, and Exile's Gate, by C. J. Cherryh.

The heroine in question was Morgaine kri Chya, Morgaine Anjuran's daughter.

He quotes from memory:

"When Thiye ruled Hjemur,
came strangers riding there.
And three were dark, and one was gold,
and one like frost was fair."

The sword was called Changeling, and had a gate into nothingness at its tip.

Excellent series.

Back on topic:

Even the rumor of a sphere of annihilation would bring down such calamity on the unfortunate rumored to possess such a thing that I doubt very much whether any exist in Eberron.

You see, a sphere of annihilation will irreversibly destroy any creature in contact with it—including outsiders.

And there are no active deities to restore them.

A sphere could turn the tide of the war on Shavarath, or eliminate—permanently—the Lords of Dust, the Night Hags, the Quori, even the daelkyr.

No. The major powers of Eberron would not suffer such a thing in mortal hands, and the wise among them would not suffer the sphere itself to exist any longer than needed to destroy it.

—Siran Dunmorgan
LaoKhanWei
11-17-05, 09:47 PM I'd call it a planar bomb. Dropped via Airship and propelled via magically animated wings. It looks like a small metalic bird until the device is triggered and two pocket planes are propelled into each other =)
aelryinth
11-17-05, 11:12 PM Note that anyone inside a bag of holding could whip out a pocket knife, puncture the thing, and be dumped back into the real world.

A portable hole you can't even tie shut...he'd just press on it and it would unfold and he could get out.

=Aelryinth
rampant
11-18-05, 05:02 AM easy once they're in the bag or hole just keep poking the entrance with pointy things until they stop trying to escape

i favor the biggest spear head you can fit through the entrance or maybe a ballistea if its a hole just set it up on the wall infront of the siege weapon and fire, you can probably make a case for flat footed
Dragonmann
11-18-05, 11:19 AM Never forget the power of a gelatnous cube inside of a prtable hole...

Drape it over a shield and shield bash... Toss it on the ground infront of you to prepare for a charge... dispose of unwanted stool pigeons... remove warts from dragon toes...
13x13
11-18-05, 11:35 AM Funny bag of holding story. My roomate's group after they captures a minion of the evil bad guy tied him up and put him in a bag of holding until they could get a place to interrogate him. Needless to say about of month of game time later he emptied out his bag of holding and out popped a nasty dead guy. They had forgot about it and were already done with the campaign they captured him in.

Good Times

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Spirit_Golem 11-12-05, 03:15 AM	I have found an easy way of commiting murder, and making sure the body is never found. Since Eberron is a "wide magic" campaign Bags of Holding should be semi-commonplace, and, although PC classes are rare, it only takes one to figure this out. you need to have access to the spell reduce person to be able to do this, but as a first level spell, any 1st level sorcerer or wizard can use it, further allowing for the availibility of theis plot. Here are the steps: 1. Buy a single bag of holding. 2. corner your victim somewere they cannot escape or fight back. 3. If they are medium size and humanoid, cast Reduce Person on them. 4. Shove them into the bag of holding. That's it. After that, just wait for them to die of suffication, and pierce the bag. Of course, most people would not be able to afford more than one bag of holding, but you can repeat this process until the bag is overloaded, and not have any problems. I think that I may be a little disturbed for thinking this up, but it is a serious issue.
Effling 11-12-05, 03:47 AM	Sure. Remember that it only makes a Medium-sized humanoid Small, not Diminutive or Fine or anything like that, so it's not like you can just pick them up with one hand. It'd be just as hard to get a halfling in the bag as a Reduced human. It's a nifty way of getting rid of the evidence though.
DarkWarriorKarg 11-12-05, 08:32 AM	Don't even waste the bag... just empty it over a river. Oh... and don't forget the Bag of Devouring...
Zedium 11-12-05, 10:15 AM	There are even worse tactics with bags of holding. Immagine using them as weapons of war in combination with portable holes. Just cast Unseen Servant and order the servant to run into an enemy stronghold and then put the hole in the bag.
Spirit_Golem 11-13-05, 04:59 PM	Just had an idea of how to incapacitate the intended victim; sleep, another first level spell that most wizards know. I think that a murder mystery type of campaign could revolve around a cheap magejust doing this, but continuing to use the same bag over and over so that the PCs might actually be able to find the evdience.
Azual 11-13-05, 05:51 PM	:plotting: :evillaugh that is all. :D
Gnome_Dragon_Disciple 11-15-05, 12:39 AM	Killing people is cheap. Paying others to do your killing for you isn't... ESPECIALLY if they're the sort of high-reputation assasin who can afford an eternal wand of Unseen Servant to slip into someone's room at night with a portable hole and bag of holding. Or maybe you could set up a story arc where a goblin thief rummaging in Undersharn managed to find a Sphere of Annihilation and the amulet that makes controlling it a little easier... One of those things would really make murder a cinch in Sharn.
DarkWarriorKarg 11-15-05, 07:57 AM	Killing people is cheap. Paying others to do your killing for you isn't... ESPECIALLY if they're the sort of high-reputation assasin who can afford an eternal wand of Unseen Servant to slip into someone's room at night with a portable hole and bag of holding. Or maybe you could set up a story arc where a goblin thief rummaging in Undersharn managed to find a Sphere of Annihilation and the amulet that makes controlling it a little easier... One of those things would really make murder a cinch in Sharn. Hmmm... that's an idea for the Boromars... they have a "cleaning" service...
Pan_Ai_Khan 11-15-05, 08:12 AM	Does anyone else remember a fantasy book where the 'Heroine' had a longsword with a sphere of annihilation forged into it's tip? Or is it just me?
Thrincold 11-15-05, 09:34 AM	Does anyone else remember a fantasy book where the 'Heroine' had a longsword with a sphere of annihilation forged into it's tip? Or is it just me? There was a fantasy series call "Door into Sunset" and such. One of the main characters had a sword that was a splinter of the door frame into death. It was basically a sphere of anilallation (sp?) that you could hold on one end and wield as a sword. Think lightsaber from SWRPG basically, but a solid piece of dark nothingness. I believe the sword was call Skadwhe or something similar, it's been 10 years or so since I read the book series.
Zemyla 11-15-05, 08:15 PM	Have a bag of holding full of bricks, and empty it over your victim at a height. If you drop them from high enough, each brick does 20d6 points of damage, more than enough to render someone a reddish pulp.
=BR=Luckyshot 11-17-05, 08:19 PM	finding a bag of holding with a corpse already in it would make a good adventure hook :D
Siran Dunmorgan 11-17-05, 09:37 PM	Does anyone else remember a fantasy book where the 'Heroine' had a longsword with a sphere of annihilation forged into it's tip? Or is it just me? Not just one book: Gate of Ivrel, Well of Shiuan, Fires of Azeroth, and Exile's Gate, by C. J. Cherryh. The heroine in question was Morgaine kri Chya, Morgaine Anjuran's daughter. He quotes from memory: "When Thiye ruled Hjemur, came strangers riding there. And three were dark, and one was gold, and one like frost was fair." The sword was called Changeling, and had a gate into nothingness at its tip. Excellent series. Back on topic: Even the rumor of a sphere of annihilation would bring down such calamity on the unfortunate rumored to possess such a thing that I doubt very much whether any exist in Eberron. You see, a sphere of annihilation will irreversibly destroy any creature in contact with it—including outsiders. And there are no active deities to restore them. A sphere could turn the tide of the war on Shavarath, or eliminate—permanently—the Lords of Dust, the Night Hags, the Quori, even the daelkyr. No. The major powers of Eberron would not suffer such a thing in mortal hands, and the wise among them would not suffer the sphere itself to exist any longer than needed to destroy it. —Siran Dunmorgan
LaoKhanWei 11-17-05, 09:47 PM	I'd call it a planar bomb. Dropped via Airship and propelled via magically animated wings. It looks like a small metalic bird until the device is triggered and two pocket planes are propelled into each other =)
aelryinth 11-17-05, 11:12 PM	Note that anyone inside a bag of holding could whip out a pocket knife, puncture the thing, and be dumped back into the real world. A portable hole you can't even tie shut...he'd just press on it and it would unfold and he could get out. =Aelryinth
rampant 11-18-05, 05:02 AM	easy once they're in the bag or hole just keep poking the entrance with pointy things until they stop trying to escape i favor the biggest spear head you can fit through the entrance or maybe a ballistea if its a hole just set it up on the wall infront of the siege weapon and fire, you can probably make a case for flat footed
Dragonmann 11-18-05, 11:19 AM	Never forget the power of a gelatnous cube inside of a prtable hole... Drape it over a shield and shield bash... Toss it on the ground infront of you to prepare for a charge... dispose of unwanted stool pigeons... remove warts from dragon toes...
13x13 11-18-05, 11:35 AM	Funny bag of holding story. My roomate's group after they captures a minion of the evil bad guy tied him up and put him in a bag of holding until they could get a place to interrogate him. Needless to say about of month of game time later he emptied out his bag of holding and out popped a nasty dead guy. They had forgot about it and were already done with the campaign they captured him in. Good Times