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Do Warforged "feel" [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Griff_Goodbeard
08-22-05, 09:09 PM My PC's will soon be encounterd with some extremly cold temps (they're headed to the Frostfell :D ) There is a Warforged in the party and it got me thinking, would he feel the cold. I'm assuming that he would need to protect himself by magical or mundane means (since they're no resistant/immune to cold), but I couldn't find anywhere how they would perceive different temps. I remember reading somewhere that Keith has said that WF perceive pain, but that it's likely very different than how a human would feel pain. So what are your opinions? :confused:
yossarius
08-22-05, 09:27 PM As I recall, 'forged are built largely of metal and stone, but they utilize wood-like material as muscle. Consider how metal and wood would contract differently in extreme cold. For that matter, if the wood is moist, it would expand, from ice crystals, while the metal over it would contract. Picture that. Imagine your muscles expanding to 1/3 again there size, while at the same time your bones are retracting. How would this feel? How would you describe that to someone else?
Majorafire77
08-22-05, 09:38 PM Well, warforged must be able to feel pain, otherwise they'd have the hardness and hp of wood, or metal, or whatever. The pain is what takes down their hp. A bludgeoning hit wouldn't be able to harm a warforged that much otherwise.
Salla
08-22-05, 09:43 PM The general rule is, unless something specific is called out where it says a Warforged operates differently from a human, then it operates the same. Warforged have to deal with the dangers of hot and cold temperatures just like everybody else. I generally assume that even if they feel things differently than a human, they use the human term that matches what they do feel.

It's hard to explain ... let's say that, when a WF puts his hand in the fire, all he feels is a dull tingle.
WF: "What's this strange feeling?"
Human: "That's hot."
WF's Brain: "Dull Tingle=Hot. When you feel that again, say "This feels hot.""

That sort of thing.
Beleriphon
08-22-05, 10:11 PM Gack just read the rules for heat and cold dangers, had to edit post to make sense. That being said most warforged would feel cold the same way. Its just that they are probably going to be completely unphased until it gets to the point where they start taking damage.
Rechan
08-22-05, 10:38 PM Warforged feel like metal and wood, and likely a temperature similar to the surrounding temp.

:D

Sorry, had to do it.
Edymnion
08-22-05, 11:09 PM Yes, they feel the effects of extreme heat and cold just like everybody else.
Nothing says they don't, so they do.

A WF has a number of alchemical fluids inside of it's body, which would run the risk of freezing or boiling, for example. And remember that not all substances boil/freeze at the same temperature as water.

Gallium freezes at about 86 degrees farenheit, while alcohol boils at only ~130 degrees, for example.
Beleriphon
08-22-05, 11:20 PM Yes, they feel the effects of extreme heat and cold just like everybody else.
Nothing says they don't, so they do.

A WF has a number of alchemical fluids inside of it's body, which would run the risk of freezing or boiling, for example. And remember that not all substances boil/freeze at the same temperature as water.

Gallium freezes at about 86 degrees farenheit, while alcohol boils at only ~130 degrees, for example.

And helium becomes a liquid at 3K (thats -270 C). Its cold stuff.
Edymnion
08-23-05, 11:26 AM And helium becomes a liquid at 3K (thats -270 C). Its cold stuff.Yeah, but I was going more for things with freezing/boiling points a little closer to the normal human endurance levels than that. I seriously doubt that ANY situtation that a PC would be in would take place at three kelvins.
Gez
08-23-05, 02:04 PM Yes, they feel the effects of extreme heat and cold just like everybody else.
Nothing says they don't, so they do.

This is the default rule, the basic assumption of D&D (and most, if not all, other roleplaying games). The rules are anthropocentric, meaning that whenever there's a question about fantasy race X or sci-fi creature Y, unless otherwise stated in the creature's description, the answer will be "the same as humans".

How do warforged reproduce ? It's precised in the book (that is, they don't), otherwise it would be the same as human. How long do they live ? Then again, it's said in the book. If it weren't, it would be the same as humans. How many fingers do they have? It's precised in the book (see illustrations). Otherwise, they would have 5 on each hand and foot, same as humans. Do they have a sense of smell? It's not said, so same as humans. A sense of feel? Same as humans. A sense of humor? Same as humans.

Once you understand that, you never have any question to ask. For you always have the answer.
Griff_Goodbeard
08-23-05, 02:09 PM Thanks for the help. :)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Griff_Goodbeard 08-22-05, 09:09 PM	My PC's will soon be encounterd with some extremly cold temps (they're headed to the Frostfell :D ) There is a Warforged in the party and it got me thinking, would he feel the cold. I'm assuming that he would need to protect himself by magical or mundane means (since they're no resistant/immune to cold), but I couldn't find anywhere how they would perceive different temps. I remember reading somewhere that Keith has said that WF perceive pain, but that it's likely very different than how a human would feel pain. So what are your opinions? :confused:
yossarius 08-22-05, 09:27 PM	As I recall, 'forged are built largely of metal and stone, but they utilize wood-like material as muscle. Consider how metal and wood would contract differently in extreme cold. For that matter, if the wood is moist, it would expand, from ice crystals, while the metal over it would contract. Picture that. Imagine your muscles expanding to 1/3 again there size, while at the same time your bones are retracting. How would this feel? How would you describe that to someone else?
Majorafire77 08-22-05, 09:38 PM	Well, warforged must be able to feel pain, otherwise they'd have the hardness and hp of wood, or metal, or whatever. The pain is what takes down their hp. A bludgeoning hit wouldn't be able to harm a warforged that much otherwise.
Salla 08-22-05, 09:43 PM	The general rule is, unless something specific is called out where it says a Warforged operates differently from a human, then it operates the same. Warforged have to deal with the dangers of hot and cold temperatures just like everybody else. I generally assume that even if they feel things differently than a human, they use the human term that matches what they do feel. It's hard to explain ... let's say that, when a WF puts his hand in the fire, all he feels is a dull tingle. WF: "What's this strange feeling?" Human: "That's hot." WF's Brain: "Dull Tingle=Hot. When you feel that again, say "This feels hot."" That sort of thing.
Beleriphon 08-22-05, 10:11 PM	Gack just read the rules for heat and cold dangers, had to edit post to make sense. That being said most warforged would feel cold the same way. Its just that they are probably going to be completely unphased until it gets to the point where they start taking damage.
Rechan 08-22-05, 10:38 PM	Warforged feel like metal and wood, and likely a temperature similar to the surrounding temp. :D Sorry, had to do it.
Edymnion 08-22-05, 11:09 PM	Yes, they feel the effects of extreme heat and cold just like everybody else. Nothing says they don't, so they do. A WF has a number of alchemical fluids inside of it's body, which would run the risk of freezing or boiling, for example. And remember that not all substances boil/freeze at the same temperature as water. Gallium freezes at about 86 degrees farenheit, while alcohol boils at only ~130 degrees, for example.
Beleriphon 08-22-05, 11:20 PM	Yes, they feel the effects of extreme heat and cold just like everybody else. Nothing says they don't, so they do. A WF has a number of alchemical fluids inside of it's body, which would run the risk of freezing or boiling, for example. And remember that not all substances boil/freeze at the same temperature as water. Gallium freezes at about 86 degrees farenheit, while alcohol boils at only ~130 degrees, for example. And helium becomes a liquid at 3K (thats -270 C). Its cold stuff.
Edymnion 08-23-05, 11:26 AM	And helium becomes a liquid at 3K (thats -270 C). Its cold stuff.Yeah, but I was going more for things with freezing/boiling points a little closer to the normal human endurance levels than that. I seriously doubt that ANY situtation that a PC would be in would take place at three kelvins.
Gez 08-23-05, 02:04 PM	Yes, they feel the effects of extreme heat and cold just like everybody else. Nothing says they don't, so they do. This is the default rule, the basic assumption of D&D (and most, if not all, other roleplaying games). The rules are anthropocentric, meaning that whenever there's a question about fantasy race X or sci-fi creature Y, unless otherwise stated in the creature's description, the answer will be "the same as humans". How do warforged reproduce ? It's precised in the book (that is, they don't), otherwise it would be the same as human. How long do they live ? Then again, it's said in the book. If it weren't, it would be the same as humans. How many fingers do they have? It's precised in the book (see illustrations). Otherwise, they would have 5 on each hand and foot, same as humans. Do they have a sense of smell? It's not said, so same as humans. A sense of feel? Same as humans. A sense of humor? Same as humans. Once you understand that, you never have any question to ask. For you always have the answer.
Griff_Goodbeard 08-23-05, 02:09 PM	Thanks for the help. :)