Draconic is not really Draconic? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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InfinityStar8
04-30-07, 08:30 PM I was thinking about all the places the Draconic Prophecy is writen or appears in Eberron. And how it has been around long before the Dragons ever really understood it, how they really just study it and record it now. It made me think, if the Prophecy was writen everywhere first, and it's writen IN Draconic dosn't that mean Draconic is really Prophecy language? The Dragons are just stold it!
ArcTan
04-30-07, 08:46 PM It's not actually written in Draconic, although the Draconic language may be loosely based on certain syllables or patterns found in the Prophecy. Draconic *script* is definitely based on visual signs of the Prophecy found on cave walls or elsewhere (and the Dragonmarks that appear on the mortal races are supposed to bear a superficial resemblance to certain written Draconic characters, though the Dragomarks are far more complex). But the Prophecy itself can be observed in patterns that have no visual connection to language at all -- noises heard in storms, patterns of drifting leaves, the rotation of the constellations -- and the common language Dragons speak for everyday purposes is very far removed from the Prophecy itself, just as the version of the Giant tongue spoken by modern Ogres and Trolls is very different from the Giants' written "language of magic".

If the "language of the Prophecy" exists as a language at all, it's probably akin to Truespeech from Tome of Magic.
Belabras
04-30-07, 09:07 PM I think the term "Draconic Prophecy" refers to "Prophecy of the Progenitor Dragons" rather than "Prophecy of the Dragons of Argonessan." Were as the language Draconic does refer to the Dragons of Argonessan.
ArcTan
05-01-07, 03:39 PM I think the term "Draconic Prophecy" refers to "Prophecy of the Progenitor Dragons" rather than "Prophecy of the Dragons of Argonessan." Were as the language Draconic does refer to the Dragons of Argonessan.

Well, it's also the Draconic Prophecy because the Argonnessen Dragons are, by far, the race with the most knowledge of it and the most investment in it.

Not to mention that the Dragons are the most direct descendants of the Progenitors anyway, in at least a spiritual or metaphorical sense.
InfinityStar8
05-01-07, 04:03 PM Well, it's also the Draconic Prophecy because the Argonnessen Dragons are, by far, the race with the most knowledge of it and the most investment in it.

Not to mention that the Dragons are the most direct descendants of the Progenitors anyway, in at least a spiritual or metaphorical sense.

Also, I did mean the 'Draconic Prophecy' as per writen by the 3 dragons, then studied the most by the Dragons of Eberron today.
yrogerg
05-04-07, 12:27 AM It's not actually written in Draconic, although the Draconic language may be loosely based on certain syllables or patterns found in the Prophecy. Draconic *script* is definitely based on visual signs of the Prophecy found on cave walls or elsewhere (and the Dragonmarks that appear on the mortal races are supposed to bear a superficial resemblance to certain written Draconic characters, though the Dragomarks are far more complex). But the Prophecy itself can be observed in patterns that have no visual connection to language at all -- noises heard in storms, patterns of drifting leaves, the rotation of the constellations -- and the common language Dragons speak for everyday purposes is very far removed from the Prophecy itself, just as the version of the Giant tongue spoken by modern Ogres and Trolls is very different from the Giants' written "language of magic".

If the "language of the Prophecy" exists as a language at all, it's probably akin to Truespeech from Tome of Magic.

I dunno, I'd say that there's a stronger link between Draconic, the Progenitors, and the Prophesy than just that; remember, Draconic is the common language among Kobolds, and their only link to the Dragons is their veneration of the Progenitors. And ditto for Couatls, who, again, are mainly linked to Dragons through their mutual status as children of the Progenitors.

What I'd posit is that Truespeech is very much what Draconic used to be, much in the same way people theorized the same about Hebrew in the middle ages. In fact, IIRC, Draconomicon presented a prestige class that was built around the very concept that Draconic is a language that is itself suffused with magic, and that Draconic words can have Truespeech-like power.

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InfinityStar8 04-30-07, 08:30 PM	I was thinking about all the places the Draconic Prophecy is writen or appears in Eberron. And how it has been around long before the Dragons ever really understood it, how they really just study it and record it now. It made me think, if the Prophecy was writen everywhere first, and it's writen IN Draconic dosn't that mean Draconic is really Prophecy language? The Dragons are just stold it!
ArcTan 04-30-07, 08:46 PM	It's not actually written in Draconic, although the Draconic language may be loosely based on certain syllables or patterns found in the Prophecy. Draconic script is definitely based on visual signs of the Prophecy found on cave walls or elsewhere (and the Dragonmarks that appear on the mortal races are supposed to bear a superficial resemblance to certain written Draconic characters, though the Dragomarks are far more complex). But the Prophecy itself can be observed in patterns that have no visual connection to language at all -- noises heard in storms, patterns of drifting leaves, the rotation of the constellations -- and the common language Dragons speak for everyday purposes is very far removed from the Prophecy itself, just as the version of the Giant tongue spoken by modern Ogres and Trolls is very different from the Giants' written "language of magic". If the "language of the Prophecy" exists as a language at all, it's probably akin to Truespeech from Tome of Magic.
Belabras 04-30-07, 09:07 PM	I think the term "Draconic Prophecy" refers to "Prophecy of the Progenitor Dragons" rather than "Prophecy of the Dragons of Argonessan." Were as the language Draconic does refer to the Dragons of Argonessan.
ArcTan 05-01-07, 03:39 PM	I think the term "Draconic Prophecy" refers to "Prophecy of the Progenitor Dragons" rather than "Prophecy of the Dragons of Argonessan." Were as the language Draconic does refer to the Dragons of Argonessan. Well, it's also the Draconic Prophecy because the Argonnessen Dragons are, by far, the race with the most knowledge of it and the most investment in it. Not to mention that the Dragons are the most direct descendants of the Progenitors anyway, in at least a spiritual or metaphorical sense.
InfinityStar8 05-01-07, 04:03 PM	Well, it's also the Draconic Prophecy because the Argonnessen Dragons are, by far, the race with the most knowledge of it and the most investment in it. Not to mention that the Dragons are the most direct descendants of the Progenitors anyway, in at least a spiritual or metaphorical sense. Also, I did mean the 'Draconic Prophecy' as per writen by the 3 dragons, then studied the most by the Dragons of Eberron today.
yrogerg 05-04-07, 12:27 AM	It's not actually written in Draconic, although the Draconic language may be loosely based on certain syllables or patterns found in the Prophecy. Draconic script is definitely based on visual signs of the Prophecy found on cave walls or elsewhere (and the Dragonmarks that appear on the mortal races are supposed to bear a superficial resemblance to certain written Draconic characters, though the Dragomarks are far more complex). But the Prophecy itself can be observed in patterns that have no visual connection to language at all -- noises heard in storms, patterns of drifting leaves, the rotation of the constellations -- and the common language Dragons speak for everyday purposes is very far removed from the Prophecy itself, just as the version of the Giant tongue spoken by modern Ogres and Trolls is very different from the Giants' written "language of magic". If the "language of the Prophecy" exists as a language at all, it's probably akin to Truespeech from Tome of Magic. I dunno, I'd say that there's a stronger link between Draconic, the Progenitors, and the Prophesy than just that; remember, Draconic is the common language among Kobolds, and their only link to the Dragons is their veneration of the Progenitors. And ditto for Couatls, who, again, are mainly linked to Dragons through their mutual status as children of the Progenitors. What I'd posit is that Truespeech is very much what Draconic used to be, much in the same way people theorized the same about Hebrew in the middle ages. In fact, IIRC, Draconomicon presented a prestige class that was built around the very concept that Draconic is a language that is itself suffused with magic, and that Draconic words can have Truespeech-like power.