Ebberon SRD??? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Ebberon SRD??? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Zodiacphoenix
08-16-06, 05:20 PM Has anyone any idea where I can locate an online SRD or a downloadable version for Ebberon Campaign Setting? I have it, along with the core set and several other books, nothing from the complete series or anything like that. Could someone direct me to it? It would be a great help...
Gurv
08-16-06, 05:24 PM :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

There isn't one. Eberron isn't part of the SRD. Neither is the Complete Series.
Kinger
08-16-06, 05:50 PM And to head off your next question, should you choose to ask it:

There won't be one. If there ever is, it would be a blatant violation of copyright laws, since WotC certainly wouldn't be the ones making it available. See if you can find the details of ANY WotC-owned campaign settings available online. Forgotten Realms, Dark Sun, Planescape, whatever. Chances are, if you do, they aren't there legitimately. A scanned pdf of a lopsided sourcebook is not legitimate, I'll bet. :)
Zodiacphoenix
08-16-06, 05:54 PM do you understand what SRD stands for? Just in case, it means System Reference Document.
Cliff notes, basically...and Eberron is D20, last I checked.
I understand why there isn't, though. Unlike the D&D 3.5, its core books are 3!
How many for Eberron? 3 and counting...
Deper
08-16-06, 05:58 PM And to head off your next question, should you choose to ask it:

There won't be one. If there ever is, it would be a blatant violation of copyright laws, since WotC certainly wouldn't be the ones making it available. See if you can find the details of ANY WotC-owned campaign settings available online. Forgotten Realms, Dark Sun, Planescape, whatever. Chances are, if you do, they aren't there legitimately. A scanned pdf of a lopsided sourcebook is not legitimate, I'll bet. :)

Except for 2e stuff. You can purchase legitimate scans of the old second edition books from places like RPGNow, So something similar might happen years from now when 4e eventually comes out. If you didn't buy them from the proper site, they aren't legitimate.
Zodiacphoenix
08-16-06, 05:58 PM I know what you're talking about Kinger, what I was asking for is something like d20 SRD, the smallish website for the 3.5e core stuff, in a nice pretty set up and such...with some extra stuff, like the variant rules and Epic level stuff and even the Psionics stuff as well. So, if someone could put out a similiar site, I would definitely help support it, as it would get more people interested in the game. At least, that's what I think.
Deper
08-16-06, 06:02 PM do you understand what SRD stands for? Just in case, it means System Reference Document.
Cliff notes, basically...and Eberron is D20, last I checked.
I understand why there isn't, though. Unlike the D&D 3.5, its core books are 3!
How many for Eberron? 3 and counting...

That's right. System Reference Document, not Setting Reference Document. The SRD gives information so that anyone can create d20 gaming material without going through WotC, but it still lacks certain creatures and all flavour text. You won't find illithids in the SRD for example. Everything in the Eberron books, even the game material, is setting specific, so it is not available for anyone to use in creating other game products.
Kreistor1
08-16-06, 06:10 PM The SRD is a document created not for players but for third party companies in order to allow them to create D20 content without potentially breaking copyright laws.

TSR hated that third party products were released for AD&D. From my understanding they never seriously went after anyone, but could have. They basically kept threatening. The problem was that they weren't certain to succeed.

They more or less determined that they could not prevent people from creating products that relied on the basic rules of the system. If someone wrote a module that said, "So and so is a Fighter 14 with Str 18/56", but they didn't provide the rules that declared what Str 18/56 meant or the abilities a Fighter 14 had, then it was not violating copyright. By creating this product they forced people to buy TSR's product in order to use the third party product. In essence, so long as the third parties didn't release TSR's rules, TSR's Intellectual Property was entirely protected.

However, TSR's creative product is a different matter. TSR could sue anyone referring to Driz'zt, Forgotten Realms locations, and so on. So, the third parties made their own worlds or stayed generic.

Kowing that they could do nothing to protect DnD 3.0 rules, WotC did the smartest thing they could have. They released the SRD as a document 3rd parties could quote and refer to, in order to make the product they were going to make anyway even more compatible and easy to use. Realizing that if players prefered a third party world that they weren't going to get any money out of their pockets unless the 3.0 rules were relevant, WotC increased that relevancy and forced the third parties into a mold that WotC controlled. Now the third parties produce product inherently under the control of WotC, and this only serves to actually guarantee WotC cales of Core and related rules.

Eberron, being creative product, is protected by copyright and will never be released to the SRD.
Kinger
08-16-06, 06:13 PM ...and Eberron is D20, last I checked.

And War & Peace is a novel, using the same basic rules-set for novel-writing as Lord of the Rings, the Pelican Brief, and anything with the Hardy Boys in it. It doesn't mean they give that stuff away for free, though. :)
Loki5654
08-17-06, 05:29 AM In short: If you are serious about playing Eberron (in specific) or D&D (in general), you must come to the realization the WoTC is a company, not a charity. They don't give most things away for free.

Grow up and buy the books.

TNSTAAFL
ArcTan
08-17-06, 10:07 AM do you understand what SRD stands for? Just in case, it means System Reference Document.
Cliff notes, basically...and Eberron is D20, last I checked.
I understand why there isn't, though. Unlike the D&D 3.5, its core books are 3!
How many for Eberron? 3 and counting...

What are you talking about? Eberron is and always has been 3.5 edition rules.

Unless you're talking about the number of "core" books, which is hard to define for Eberron -- I'd say, though, that only the ECS really counts as core. In contrast, the SRD contains info from, if I'm counting correctly, seven books -- the DMG, PHB, MM, XPH, D&DG, UA, and ELH.

The SRD is not "Cliff's Notes" -- it contains a full listing of *all* the crunch from those books, minus character creation rules (so it doesn't constitute a full game), the flavor text, and a few "product identity" monsters from the MM.

But the point of the SRD, as people have said, is to make it easier to create your own game content using the "core" material from D&D. It is not to let you get away with never buying D&D books so that WotC can go out of business. They would be quite stupid to make SRDs for every campaign setting they publish.
Zodiacphoenix
08-17-06, 03:30 PM I understand what you are all saying, and I retract my question from here on. However, I have seen a few SRDs of Forgotten Realms out there...So please don't go jumping up my ***** every time I ask a question. Some of you people obviously need to grow up, I mean, do you really talk to your parents like that? Thanks for your help, non the less.
Peace
beezly
08-17-06, 04:29 PM If you want a little eberron overview, you can find one here (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/m.blunden/dnd/eberron.htm)
Kinger
08-17-06, 04:58 PM I understand what you are all saying, and I retract my question from here on. However, I have seen a few SRDs of Forgotten Realms out there...So please don't go jumping up my ***** every time I ask a question. Some of you people obviously need to grow up, I mean, do you really talk to your parents like that? Thanks for your help, non the less.
Peace

The WotC legal department might be interested in those. Be a good citizen and see, will you? :)
Yare
08-17-06, 06:35 PM Stuff.

Really though. You're like 14, right?

There's no reason to get upset at everybody. A little reading on the official SRD site would have told you everything you need to know.
beezly
08-17-06, 07:31 PM To be fair, we haven't been all that nice to the kid/non native english speaker.
Amaril
08-17-06, 07:46 PM However, I have seen a few SRDs of Forgotten Realms out there...
Those aren't SRDs; they're copyright violations. Seriously, the SRD is a specific system reference document that is free to copy and distribute. The d20SRD.org is unofficial and simply displaying the SRD in an easily digestible format. Yes, d20srd.org does contain OGL content from Unearthed Arcana and Monster Manual II, as well. It also contains official errata for the System Reference Document.
Naudachu
08-18-06, 06:14 PM Actually the closest thing to that would be the Eberron wiki. I'm not quite sure how that stuff is posted legally, but its a great reference when you're away from your book...and supposed to be busy at work :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eberron
ArcTan
08-19-06, 01:58 PM There's a lot of free basic info on Eberron, including on the WotC website, on plenty of free fansites, and so on. Keith Baker's Dragonshards are a great place to start looking, as is the other material on the WotC Eberron site, including the free previews of various books. The Wikipedia entry has a lot of fluff compiled too.

As a general rule it's fine to talk *about* Eberron, and to say things like "The Five Nations are the remnants of the old Empire of Galifar and have been at war for the past hundred years", or "Zilargo is the kingdom of the gnomes, who are renowned as spies and information brokers". What you can't post for free online is SRD-type stuff, meaning all the crunch and the game info -- people can *describe* warforged to you all they want as long as they don't give the full mechanics for how you create a warforged character.
raalynthslair
08-20-06, 12:05 PM Except for 2e stuff. You can purchase legitimate scans of the old second edition books from places like RPGNow, So something similar might happen years from now when 4e eventually comes out. If you didn't buy them from the proper site, they aren't legitimate.

YEARS?! HA! I'll believe that if I have to wait that long. I would not be surprised if we see a 4th edition in less than 24 months (and yes, I KNOW that's "2 years" but 24 is about as long as people count in months generally, anything over 2 years is almost always (save for car loans where they wanna hook ya without you realizing that 72 months is a VERY LONG 6 years))... And given that 3.0 to 3.5 was just a few years apart, I am really scared that IF (still speculation and assumption/fear) I am right... that's making a VERY bad trend and a very pricey one for gamers... nothing like shelling out $30-40 bucks for EACH of the core books (all three) EVERY FEW YEARS! So long for "cheap hobby" that you can "enjoy for years upon the investment"... HA!

But even given that a 4th edition may (I think WILL) come out, I doubt that they'd SRD the campaign world(s) they have out in 3.0/3.5 anyhow. They'll just put out PDFs of rules updates (maybe, they DID do this for 3.0->3.5) and/or put out new prints of the campaign cores in 4th edition for us to pay for.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Zodiacphoenix 08-16-06, 05:20 PM	Has anyone any idea where I can locate an online SRD or a downloadable version for Ebberon Campaign Setting? I have it, along with the core set and several other books, nothing from the complete series or anything like that. Could someone direct me to it? It would be a great help...
Gurv 08-16-06, 05:24 PM	:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: There isn't one. Eberron isn't part of the SRD. Neither is the Complete Series.
Kinger 08-16-06, 05:50 PM	And to head off your next question, should you choose to ask it: There won't be one. If there ever is, it would be a blatant violation of copyright laws, since WotC certainly wouldn't be the ones making it available. See if you can find the details of ANY WotC-owned campaign settings available online. Forgotten Realms, Dark Sun, Planescape, whatever. Chances are, if you do, they aren't there legitimately. A scanned pdf of a lopsided sourcebook is not legitimate, I'll bet. :)
Zodiacphoenix 08-16-06, 05:54 PM	do you understand what SRD stands for? Just in case, it means System Reference Document. Cliff notes, basically...and Eberron is D20, last I checked. I understand why there isn't, though. Unlike the D&D 3.5, its core books are 3! How many for Eberron? 3 and counting...
Deper 08-16-06, 05:58 PM	And to head off your next question, should you choose to ask it: There won't be one. If there ever is, it would be a blatant violation of copyright laws, since WotC certainly wouldn't be the ones making it available. See if you can find the details of ANY WotC-owned campaign settings available online. Forgotten Realms, Dark Sun, Planescape, whatever. Chances are, if you do, they aren't there legitimately. A scanned pdf of a lopsided sourcebook is not legitimate, I'll bet. :) Except for 2e stuff. You can purchase legitimate scans of the old second edition books from places like RPGNow, So something similar might happen years from now when 4e eventually comes out. If you didn't buy them from the proper site, they aren't legitimate.
Zodiacphoenix 08-16-06, 05:58 PM	I know what you're talking about Kinger, what I was asking for is something like d20 SRD, the smallish website for the 3.5e core stuff, in a nice pretty set up and such...with some extra stuff, like the variant rules and Epic level stuff and even the Psionics stuff as well. So, if someone could put out a similiar site, I would definitely help support it, as it would get more people interested in the game. At least, that's what I think.
Deper 08-16-06, 06:02 PM	do you understand what SRD stands for? Just in case, it means System Reference Document. Cliff notes, basically...and Eberron is D20, last I checked. I understand why there isn't, though. Unlike the D&D 3.5, its core books are 3! How many for Eberron? 3 and counting... That's right. System Reference Document, not Setting Reference Document. The SRD gives information so that anyone can create d20 gaming material without going through WotC, but it still lacks certain creatures and all flavour text. You won't find illithids in the SRD for example. Everything in the Eberron books, even the game material, is setting specific, so it is not available for anyone to use in creating other game products.
Kreistor1 08-16-06, 06:10 PM	The SRD is a document created not for players but for third party companies in order to allow them to create D20 content without potentially breaking copyright laws. TSR hated that third party products were released for AD&D. From my understanding they never seriously went after anyone, but could have. They basically kept threatening. The problem was that they weren't certain to succeed. They more or less determined that they could not prevent people from creating products that relied on the basic rules of the system. If someone wrote a module that said, "So and so is a Fighter 14 with Str 18/56", but they didn't provide the rules that declared what Str 18/56 meant or the abilities a Fighter 14 had, then it was not violating copyright. By creating this product they forced people to buy TSR's product in order to use the third party product. In essence, so long as the third parties didn't release TSR's rules, TSR's Intellectual Property was entirely protected. However, TSR's creative product is a different matter. TSR could sue anyone referring to Driz'zt, Forgotten Realms locations, and so on. So, the third parties made their own worlds or stayed generic. Kowing that they could do nothing to protect DnD 3.0 rules, WotC did the smartest thing they could have. They released the SRD as a document 3rd parties could quote and refer to, in order to make the product they were going to make anyway even more compatible and easy to use. Realizing that if players prefered a third party world that they weren't going to get any money out of their pockets unless the 3.0 rules were relevant, WotC increased that relevancy and forced the third parties into a mold that WotC controlled. Now the third parties produce product inherently under the control of WotC, and this only serves to actually guarantee WotC cales of Core and related rules. Eberron, being creative product, is protected by copyright and will never be released to the SRD.
Kinger 08-16-06, 06:13 PM	...and Eberron is D20, last I checked. And War & Peace is a novel, using the same basic rules-set for novel-writing as Lord of the Rings, the Pelican Brief, and anything with the Hardy Boys in it. It doesn't mean they give that stuff away for free, though. :)
Loki5654 08-17-06, 05:29 AM	In short: If you are serious about playing Eberron (in specific) or D&D (in general), you must come to the realization the WoTC is a company, not a charity. They don't give most things away for free. Grow up and buy the books. TNSTAAFL
ArcTan 08-17-06, 10:07 AM	do you understand what SRD stands for? Just in case, it means System Reference Document. Cliff notes, basically...and Eberron is D20, last I checked. I understand why there isn't, though. Unlike the D&D 3.5, its core books are 3! How many for Eberron? 3 and counting... What are you talking about? Eberron is and always has been 3.5 edition rules. Unless you're talking about the number of "core" books, which is hard to define for Eberron -- I'd say, though, that only the ECS really counts as core. In contrast, the SRD contains info from, if I'm counting correctly, seven books -- the DMG, PHB, MM, XPH, D&DG, UA, and ELH. The SRD is not "Cliff's Notes" -- it contains a full listing of all the crunch from those books, minus character creation rules (so it doesn't constitute a full game), the flavor text, and a few "product identity" monsters from the MM. But the point of the SRD, as people have said, is to make it easier to create your own game content using the "core" material from D&D. It is not to let you get away with never buying D&D books so that WotC can go out of business. They would be quite stupid to make SRDs for every campaign setting they publish.
Zodiacphoenix 08-17-06, 03:30 PM	I understand what you are all saying, and I retract my question from here on. However, I have seen a few SRDs of Forgotten Realms out there...So please don't go jumping up my ***** every time I ask a question. Some of you people obviously need to grow up, I mean, do you really talk to your parents like that? Thanks for your help, non the less. Peace
beezly 08-17-06, 04:29 PM	If you want a little eberron overview, you can find one here (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/m.blunden/dnd/eberron.htm)
Kinger 08-17-06, 04:58 PM	I understand what you are all saying, and I retract my question from here on. However, I have seen a few SRDs of Forgotten Realms out there...So please don't go jumping up my ***** every time I ask a question. Some of you people obviously need to grow up, I mean, do you really talk to your parents like that? Thanks for your help, non the less. Peace The WotC legal department might be interested in those. Be a good citizen and see, will you? :)
Yare 08-17-06, 06:35 PM	Stuff. Really though. You're like 14, right? There's no reason to get upset at everybody. A little reading on the official SRD site would have told you everything you need to know.
beezly 08-17-06, 07:31 PM	To be fair, we haven't been all that nice to the kid/non native english speaker.
Amaril 08-17-06, 07:46 PM	However, I have seen a few SRDs of Forgotten Realms out there... Those aren't SRDs; they're copyright violations. Seriously, the SRD is a specific system reference document that is free to copy and distribute. The d20SRD.org is unofficial and simply displaying the SRD in an easily digestible format. Yes, d20srd.org does contain OGL content from Unearthed Arcana and Monster Manual II, as well. It also contains official errata for the System Reference Document.
Naudachu 08-18-06, 06:14 PM	Actually the closest thing to that would be the Eberron wiki. I'm not quite sure how that stuff is posted legally, but its a great reference when you're away from your book...and supposed to be busy at work :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eberron
ArcTan 08-19-06, 01:58 PM	There's a lot of free basic info on Eberron, including on the WotC website, on plenty of free fansites, and so on. Keith Baker's Dragonshards are a great place to start looking, as is the other material on the WotC Eberron site, including the free previews of various books. The Wikipedia entry has a lot of fluff compiled too. As a general rule it's fine to talk about Eberron, and to say things like "The Five Nations are the remnants of the old Empire of Galifar and have been at war for the past hundred years", or "Zilargo is the kingdom of the gnomes, who are renowned as spies and information brokers". What you can't post for free online is SRD-type stuff, meaning all the crunch and the game info -- people can describe warforged to you all they want as long as they don't give the full mechanics for how you create a warforged character.
raalynthslair 08-20-06, 12:05 PM	Except for 2e stuff. You can purchase legitimate scans of the old second edition books from places like RPGNow, So something similar might happen years from now when 4e eventually comes out. If you didn't buy them from the proper site, they aren't legitimate. YEARS?! HA! I'll believe that if I have to wait that long. I would not be surprised if we see a 4th edition in less than 24 months (and yes, I KNOW that's "2 years" but 24 is about as long as people count in months generally, anything over 2 years is almost always (save for car loans where they wanna hook ya without you realizing that 72 months is a VERY LONG 6 years))... And given that 3.0 to 3.5 was just a few years apart, I am really scared that IF (still speculation and assumption/fear) I am right... that's making a VERY bad trend and a very pricey one for gamers... nothing like shelling out $30-40 bucks for EACH of the core books (all three) EVERY FEW YEARS! So long for "cheap hobby" that you can "enjoy for years upon the investment"... HA! But even given that a 4th edition may (I think WILL) come out, I doubt that they'd SRD the campaign world(s) they have out in 3.0/3.5 anyhow. They'll just put out PDFs of rules updates (maybe, they DID do this for 3.0->3.5) and/or put out new prints of the campaign cores in 4th edition for us to pay for.