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Mythos_Creature 12-02-04, 02:33 PM	Alright, I'll probably get flamed or sued for posting this, but I feel it warrants a post none-the-less. This was spawned by an Eberron gaming session in which our group tried to sell a stolen jeweled breastplate, matching sword and scabbard. Transcript; Us - "Can we sell this stuff to a local merchant." DM - "No. Any merchant in this town is too poor to pay out the gold the set is worth. You could take it to Sharn." Me - "This is bunk, I'm gonna eBay this crap..." (Slight Pause when realization hits...this is what came of it.) ________________________________________ _________________________ eBerray Three took a step forward, jutting an adamantine finger at the board. “What about this one Kellis? It bears an arcane mark.” The House Sivis message board shook slightly from the powerful jab of the Warforged, as did all things Three touched. Kellis moved forward, nodding approvingly. “Looks sound, but does it have flaming? Farmuul is a were-creature, covered in fur. I want flaming before we head back to his tower.” Kellis moved his eyes down the page. As they reached the bottom, he gasped. “Look at the shipping! Forget it, find one from a different seller.” Delyra, the only female in the party, stretched a lithe arm towards another piece of parchment. “This one has flaming and is keen. It also offers shipping through the Kundarak OpenVault.” Kellis shifted down the board, nearly tumbling over a small Sivis scribe that was tacking up another listing. Cursing his poor eyesight, the changeling slowly read the words on the paper - thankful the seller had paid to have the listing translated into common. “No good. See how poorly constructed the sentences are? It’s probably some Goblin trying to pawn a stolen item, or worse, no item at all.” “Ironic, coming from you…” Delyra’s half-wolf eyes poured over Kellis with a cruelty and mistrust only found in the pupils of a shifter. Kellis ignored the glare and remained focused on the board, reading and summarizing the listings aloud. “Already too high.” “Not silver.” “Ooh! A repeating crossbow arm! Three, you could use this!” Three just shook his head and continued to watch the changeling move about, furiously flipping through the inches-thick layers of parchment on the board. Some papers had images, others blinked like the stars in the night sky, but none were apparently what Kellis was searching for. Three felt a light tap on the rear of his left thigh, and turned. He focused his glowing green eyes on a small Gnome scribe, gently rapping his legs with a staff. “Excuse me, new listing.” Three stepped aside and watched the Gnome tack a piece of parchment to the board. It glittered with the alluring brilliance that only dancing lights could produce. With a slight whir, Three’s eyes focused and absorbed the delicately scrawled words on the page. Without a word, Three pulled Kellis, by the edge of his cloak, and placed the changeling inches before the paper. Kellis also read the listing, a wry smile spreading across his lips. Without a sound, Kellis strode across the message house floor to the desk where a Gnomish scribe looked at him quizzically. “I’d like to place a bid…” ________________________________________ _________________________ The Idea – Combining the strengths of House Sivis and House Kundarak, adventurers no longer have to find a large enough town to sell their goods, nor do they have to search high and low to find an item they desire. They can sell items, buy items or even trade items – all in the exciting new Eberron marketplace, eBerray. Using House Kundarak’s amazing control of finance and magical transportation between banking centers, and House Sivis’ unrivaled messaging and authentication capabilities, eBerray is a marketplace that all in Khorvaire can enjoy. It allows merchants and adventurers alike to maximize their financial gains and it allows rare collectors to find what they seek for the right price. Founded by a group of retiring adventurers after much deliberation with House Kundarak patriarch Baron Morrikan d’Kundarak and House Sivis doyenne Lysse Lyrriman d’Sivis to ensure both houses would profit, eBerray has exploded beyond anyone’s wildest dreams. For a minimal fee, adventurers trying to sell loot from a dungeon can list what they have for sale and get the most gold for their items. Others, perhaps trying to survive the dangers of Xen’Drik, can ensure they get the right gear for the mission. Like the words scrawled above each eBerray message board say – “You’ll find it here…” The Mechanics – A seller wishing to sell an item begins by first going to a House Sivis/House Kundarak eBerray station. There are stations being erected in all House Sivis and House Kundarak locations, and there are plans to build collaboratively owned locations in many provinces. The seller begins the simple process by having a House Kundarak scribe post a listing by paying the fees found in table 1-1. The listing can be enhanced with additional options, all available at low costs to the seller, also found in table 1-1. The enhancements include adding Dancing Lights to the parchment to attract buyers, using Prestidigitation to cause blinking lights or sounds on the parchment to alert potential buyers to a great deal…even going to so far as to use Silent Image on the parchment to offer rotating views of the item for sale. The most desired enhancement is an Arcane Mark, which proves the seller has had the item inspected by a House Sivis mage and is verified to be represented correctly. All of these are enhancements that a seller can use to attract a potential buyer. Once a listing is prepared and the listing fees are paid, House Sivis sends a broadcast Message to all eBerray stations - which is translated into parchments and tacked to a wall. The parchments remain up as long as the item is still for sale or being bid on, and with the explosion of eBerray, there are usually an enormous amount of parchments on any eBerray board. Potential buyers can view all the listings, heeding the additional enhancements or not and making judgment calls from the listing itself, then, should the item suit them, make a bid or purchase it. There are fees associated with purchasing and bidding, to pay for the use of the House Sivis messaging system, and those fees are located in table 1-2. Bidding can become quite expensive with the bidding fees, so the thrifty buyer often places one bid at the maximum they are willing to spend. Placing a bid automatically updates the listing with the most current price and the bidding fee covers the expense of placing updates to the listing at all eBerray locations. The seller can leave the listing up for a pre-determined length of time, usually less than a week, and view all bids placed on the listing by going to any eBerray station and using their identification papers and an authentication password. If the item has sold, they contact the buyer and finalize the deal by shipping the item through any number of venues. The seller may also post the listing with a ‘simple purchase’ option. Should the buyer desire the item immediately, they can just pay the listed price and obtain the item. The buyer incurs the fees for a ‘simple purchase’. For a small fee, House Kundarak has constructed something they refer to as the OpenVault, a magical vault accessible to all using eBerray. The seller deposits the item in the OpenVault with their identification papers and creates a password that they then pass onto the buyer. The buyer can enter any House Kundarak banking center, use their papers and the password to retrieve their item. It is the most desired method of shipping as there is little on Khorvaire more secure or fast. It is not the only method of shipping. As listed in Table 1-3, a buyer has many options available to them. All options are relatively secure and protected with identification paper authentication and passwords, but all buyers should beware…there are some in the world that seek to defraud. The Rules - There are contracts to sign with listing an item, ensuring that the seller is representing the item correctly and does indeed have the item. If these basic rules are broken, the individual and their identification papers are flagged and a small task force is assigned to find the rule-breaker. If they are not found, the task force simply moves to the next flagged individual, as there are many fraudulent sellers. Should that fraudulent individual attempt to sell on eBerray again with the same identification papers, they are arrested on the spot. Bidding on an eBerray item is a contract, although bid retractions are allowed at an exorbitant price, it is greatly frowned upon. Buyers that fail to make payment are also flagged by their identification papers, but are not tracked down. They are simply denied bidding or purchasing when they attempt to use the eBerray marketplace again. Nearly all payments are transferred through the House Kundarak banking centers for a nominal fee. It is fast and secure, but there are occasional sellers that demand payment in full through a different medium to avoid the House Kundarak banking costs. The task force does not enforce any payments outside of the House Kundarak banking system. Table 1-4 shows the House Kundarak banking system costs for items purchased on eBerray, paid for by the seller. The ‘Task Force’ assigned to security was the group of retired adventurers that originally founded eBerray and they have since increased their numbers ten-fold. They call themselves ‘Delivery Boys’ as they are normally tasked with finding fraudulent sellers and forcing them to ‘produce’ the items they misrepresented on eBerray. They travel in groups of no less than three and usually are comprised of a pair of fighters for strength, a rogue for gathering information on their target, or a mage to magically track their target. They can be easily identified as they all bear the eBerray mark, a gold coin surrounded by a ring of fire. Killing or otherwise hindering an eBerray task force bears all the consequences of the region the perpetrators commit the crime in. There is no monitoring of the items sold on eBerray, but there are restrictions on what can and cannot be sold. The prohibited items are; - Slaves or other unwilling, living creatures. - Intangible objects or services. - Objects or services with a ‘timed’ life or hazardous materials. (Such as a Delayed Blast Fireball in a box, perishable food etc) It is impossible to list these items, as all listings must be posted through an eBerray station. Services can be posted, such as a mage offering spells cast at a discounted rate, but failure to produce the desired service will result in being flagged by the tack force and suspension of eBerray privileges. The Advantage - Aside from finding anything anywhere, eBerray mainly benefits the seller of an item as the price can often soar above and beyond the normal value of the item. It may also benefit buyers as they can often times find items for sale at a considerably cheaper price than a region where demand and prices maybe high. The adventurers may be in a smaller town where the financial power of the town is small and unable to support their needs, but they can find an eBerray station and buy what they need from a seller in a larger town, where demand and cost is low. Table 1-5 shows the random price adjustments to items sold or bought on eBerray. ________________________________________ _________________________ Table 1-1: eBerray Listing Fees and Enhancements Price / Name / Details or examples 3gp / Listing Fee /A parchment posted at all eBerray stations 1gp /Translation into any language /From Goblin to Common, or reverse 7gp /Arcane Mark (Includes Identify) /A mark of authenticity and verification 5sp /Dancing Lights /Flashing lights used to attract buyers 5sp /Prestidigitation /Illusionary fire for a ‘hot deal’ 1gp /Silent Image /Pictures of a sword that rotate slowly 2gp /Magic Mouth* /Bellows about quality when person nears 2gp/5gp /Minor/Major Image* /Floods senses with images, smells or sound * - Due to the loud auditory or sometimes offensive olfactory nature of these enhancements, the Gnome scribe find them annoying, especially for longer listings, thusly may charge more for them. Table 1-2: eBerray Bidding Fees Price / Name 3gp / Bid Fee (Fee is paid each time a bid is placed.) 4pg / Simple Purchase Fee (Fee is paid once and assures item purchase immediately.) 6gp / Bid Retraction Fee (Fee is paid once. Can earn suspension of eBerray access.)* * - As stated, bid retractions on eBerray are greatly frowned upon, as it can be costly to both the seller and the House Sivis messaging system. Thus the high cost of retracting a bid. It may also result in a temporary suspension of bidding privileges on eBerray. Table 1-3: eBerray Shipping Fees Price / Name / Minimum / Pick-Up 5gp / House Kundarak OpenVault Service / - /Any Banking Center 1cp/lb/Mile / House Orien Mail Service** /1cp /Anywhere 1sp/lb/Mile / House Orien Coach or Caravan / 1gp /Anywhere 5sp/Mile / House Orien Lightning Rail / 2gp / Any Station* 10gp/lb/Mile / House Orien Teleport / 10gp / Anywhere 1gp/lb/Mile / House Lyrander Air Cargo / 10gp / Any Station* 1sp/lb/Mile / House Lyrander Galleon / 1gp /Any Station* * - ‘Any Station’ means any place where a transport of the particular house listed stops regularly. The package must be picked up when it arrives - otherwise it is placed in the nearest banking center and must be picked up from there. ** - The House Orien Mail Service will not transport some items such as; artifacts, dangerous potions or spell components, live creatures etc. Check with a House Orien station for more details. Table 1-4: House Kundarak Banking Services Fees Closing Price of the Item / House Kundarak Fund Transfer Fee 1cp – 25gp / 5% of the closing value. (Minimum of 1cp) 26gp – 1,000gp / 4% of the closing value. 1,000gp and above / 3% of the closing value. Table 1-5: Random eBerray Item Prices* D20 Roll / Result 1-2 / -1d10X10% of the items value. 3-4 / -50% of the items value. 5-6 / -20% of the items value. 7-8 / -5% of the items value. 9-10 / No Change. 11-12 / +5% of the items value. 13-14 / +20% of the items value. 15-16 / +30% of the items value. 17-18 / +50% of the items value. 19-20 / +1d10X10% of the items value. * - This adjustment comes from the listed full value found in the Eberron Campaign book or the Dungeon Masters Guide. For instance, if an adventurer found a +1 shield on an eBerray posting and them DM rolled a ‘6’ for the value adjustment - it would cost 800gp. (1,000-20%=800) Likewise, a seller on eBerray could try to sell the same shield for a profit by rolling higher on the same table above. I.E. – While selling a +1 shield, the DM rolls a ‘17’. The shield would sell for 1,500gp. (1,000+50%=1,500) ________________________________________ _________________________ Random eBerray Listing Table 1-2 / 3-4 / 5-6 / Enhancement(s) / Item Listing (Shipping left to DM discretion) / Current Price 1 - - Arcane Marked / Empower Channeling Rod (least) (Stolen from a caravan heading to Q’Barra) 1,100gp 2 - - Dancing Lights / Ectoplasmic Fist 3,800gp 3 - - Crudely translated common / Armblade (Taken from a dead warforged attacker! An artifact from a Breland Assassin!) 1,500gp 4 - - Prestidigitation (Fire) / Tindertwigs X100 (A deal, don’t pass it up!) 50gp 5 - - Normal Listing / Strange Dull Gray Stone (Seller is a widow who’s husband relied on a dull gray ioun stone.) 40gp 6 - - Normal Listing / ‘Bulk’ buy of Cure Light Wounds Potions (8 total) (An old apothecary died and his family is selling the estate.) 150gp 7 - - Silent Image, Magic Mouth / A bag that holds everything! (Bag of Holding, Type 1, seller is a shifter rogue) 2,300gp 8 - - Normal Listing / A collection of weapons for everyone! (Actually a rogue trying to liquidate the items he stole from a merchant. 10 random weapons.) 30gp 9 - - Dancing Lights / 10 coils of silken rope (An old rogue is retiring and needs to liquidate.) 40gp 10 - - Normal Listing / ‘Dusty Tome from Wizard’s Tower’ (Actually a spellbook, spell list to DM’s discretion.) 12gp 11 - - Normal Listing / Tired of spending nights alone? One night of my…services. (Seller is a prostitute from red light district of Sharn. No shipping!) 1gp 12 - - Silent Image, Prestidigitation / Magical Sword! (Actually is a fake.) 3,000gp 13 - - Crude Goblin Listing / Need someone to find traps? Hire me! (Goblin rogue that has lost everything and looks for adventure.) 1cp 14 - - Normal Listing / Wand of Detect Magic (Seller is a fighter, liquidating the remains of his adventuring wizard companion. 10 charges left.) 280gp 15 - - Arcane Marked / +1 Great Sword (Found in the Mournelands) 1,300gp 16 - - Normal Listing / +2 Great Club (Seller is a greedy tavern owner.) 8,000gp 17 - - Normal Listing / Cloak of Resistance +1 (A strange feeling cloak. May be magical!) 500gp 18 - - Crude Undercommon listing / Give this to your enemies. (Seller is a thieves guild pawning off cursed longswords that bestow –2 levels) 1,000gp 19 - - Normal Listing / Dust of Tracelessness 250gp 20 - - Elven Normal Listing / Cloak of Elvenkind (Seller will sell to Elves only, is a racist wizard in Woodhelm) 800gp 21 - - Normal Listing / A silver carving of a Dragon in flight (50gp value) 55gp 22 - - Normal Listing / A pouch of Gems from a dungeon. (10d10X10 value) 30gp 23 - - Normal Listing / Pair of Light Horses (Seller is a retired farmer) 10gp 24 - - Dancing Lights / 3 suits of hobgoblin-sized studded leather (From a bandit camp) 60gp 25 1 - Normal Listing / Armor Store closing! Get these deals! (Any suit of armor at 50% of normal DMG cost. No magical suits left.) Varies 26 2 - Prestidigitation (Blinking Lights) / Strange Gold Idol! (Worth 700gp, weighs 10lbs. Used by a cult in the Cogs and may garner their attention.) 900gp 27 3 - Arcane Mark, Prestidigitation (Lightning crackles) / Extend Channeling Rod (Lesser) (Seller is an adventuring party.) 1,200gp 28 4 - Normal Listing / One Random Gem worth 100gp! (Seller is a Gnome adventure that has too many gems. Legit Listing.) 80gp 29 5 - Normal Listing / Strange Altar found Droaam (Seller has no clue what it is. Made from bone and embedded with black gems.) 50gp 30 6 - Normal Listing / Breastplate of Light Fortification (Seller is an old barbarian, stricken with disease. Need the gold for healing.) 800gp 31 7 - Crude Common Listing / Orc Double Axe 600gp 32 8 - Dancing Lights / Potion Grab Bag! (Four random potions, one is a dud. Sweetwater.) 300gp 33 9 - Normal Listing / Ring of Climbing (Seller is an old rogue missing his legs and can no longer use the ring.) 1,800gp 34 10 - Crudely translated common / Apparatus of Kwalish (Actually a fake knock-off. A Kobold gang is trying to mimic the real apparatus they have in their cave.) 8,000gp 35 11 - Normal Listing / Necklace, may be magical! (Actually is just a circlet with four tiger’s eye agates in it. Worth 100gp) 250gp 36 12 - Silent Image / Boots of Elvenkind (Stolen from an angry urban ranger in Sharn.) 1,900gp 37 13 - Normal Listing / 10 pack of Telenta Boomerangs! 100gp 38 14 - Arcane Mark / Flesh Golem Scarab! Golembane! 600gp 39 15 - Crude Orc Listing / Heward’s Handy Something… (Heward’s Handy Haversack. Orc was told once what it was, but has forgotten and thinks is useless.) 2gp 40 16 - Normal Listing / Slightly used Soarwood Rowboat (Ship sill not float, needs repair) 80gp 41 17 - Prestidigitation (Smell of flowers) / Two potions of Charisma (Good deal, nearly half price!) 500gp 42 18 - Crude Common Listing / Partially used suit of full plate, ignore blood. (Seller is a Goblin brute that caught a paladin off-guard.) 400gp 43 19 - Magic Mouth, Arcane Mark / Rod of Wonder (The one and only!!) 12,500gp 44 20 - Dancing Lights / Want to look beautiful? Illusions cast cheap! (Seller is a mage looking to generate money. Any Illusion spell 4th or lower cast.) 500gp 45 21 - Magic Mouth / Ankheg hides cheap! Druids! Make your own armor! 8gp 46 22 - Normal Listing / Fine Linen and Garb! Fit for the next King! (Actually a commoner’s outfit with crudely tacked lace and gilding.) 40gp 47 23 - Crude Common Listing/ Neat hat! (Is actually a cursed item that changes wearer’s skin color to purple.) 3gp 48 24 - Prestidigitation (Bird Chirping) / Good Luck charm! (Small gold pendant in shape of bird, relatively useless. Seller is a cleric that has lost his church to fire.) 5gp 49 25 - Dancing Lights / Make your mount fast! Horseshoes of a zephyr! 3,100gp 50 26 1 Silent Image / Mithral Shirt (Old Dwarf trying to generate money to start a tavern.) 800gp 51 27 2 Crude Kobold Listing / Strange Horn (Actually a Horn of Fog, the Kobolds have no idea how to use it.) 90gp 52 28 3 Normal Listing / Magical Cloak and Boots (Identify them and we’ll throw in some magic gloves. Equipment taken from dead rogue.) – Cloak of Elvenkind / Boots of Elvenkind, Gloves of Dexterity +2 8,000gp 53 29 4 Arcane Mark / Darkleaf Breastplate, slightly dented. (Seller is fighter turned Rogue that has upgraded.) 2,000gp 54 30 5 Prestidigitation / Want to find treasure? I have maps! (Actually a scam, the maps lead to a Kundarak Vault. The seller is a gnome rogue.) 1sp 55 31 6 Normal Listing / Buy water! Before the next war! Stock up! (Price is per gallon) 1cp 56 32 7 Normal Listing / Glamerweave tunic, Human Sized (Black and Purple) 80gp 57 33 8 Crude Common Listing / Floating shield. (Seller is a Shifter and has an Animated Shield that continues to baffle him.) 950gp 58 34 9 Normal Listing / Adventurer Pack lot! Four Fastieths! Good Deal! 175gp 59 35 10 Arcane Mark / Ring of Warmth. Don’t risk freezing! 1,900gp 60 36 11 Dancing Lights / Scroll ‘Bulk Buy’– 3, 2nd level spells (From a Goblin Lair! Random of DM’s Discretion.) 400gp 61 37 12 Undercommon Listing / Maps to riches! (Actually maps to most of Sharn’s wealthiest citizens houses. Price each.) 1gp 62 38 13 Dancing Lights / Big Merrick’s Warforged Polishing Services! Come down and gleam! (Good for one polishing, no shipping.) 5gp 63 39 14 Dwarven Listing / Good axes sold to good Dwarves! (Axe +2. Seller will sell to Dwarves only.) 6,000gp 64 40 15 Normal Listing / Cheap Passage on Lightning Rail! (Seller purchased tickets in advance, cannot use them. They are from Sharn to Vathirond) 25gp 65 41 16 Dancing Lights, Magic Mouth / Lycanthropy cured! Painless! (Is actually a ploy by the Church of the Silver Flame. Any who bid are hunted down.) 2gp 66 42 17 Normal Listing / Darts of Disruption! (Set of four) 10,000gp 67 43 18 Silent Image / Imported Silks and Cloths! Any cloth is 12cp a yard! (Seller is a merchant from another kingdom trying to gain financial footing in Breland.) 1cp 68 44 19 Normal Listing / Maps to the riches of UnderSharn! (A profit-minded rogue is selling handrawn maps of his adventures below the city.) 3gp 69 45 20 Crude Common Listing / Xen’Drik Boomerangs. Will sell any amount. (Knock-offs crudely made by a Changeling barbarian that has been to Xen’Drik) 18gp 70 46 21 Normal Listing / Alchemist’s Frost X3 (Three flasks) 50gp 71 47 22 Normal Listing / Two Potions. Protection from Fire and Cold! 1,400gp 72 48 23 Normal Listing / Rare Tomes! Who knows what you night uncover. (Actually some useless geographic tomes stolen from the Library of Korranberg. Seller is a rogue trying to avoid prosecution.) 200gp 73 49 24 Normal Listing / Barrels at Cost! (Any Number of barrel from a carpenter trying to generate money.) 1sp 74 50 25 Arcane Mark, Silent Image / Frost Morningstar +1. Need to Sell now! (Seller is a fighter trying to raise the ransom for his captured cleric companion.) 5,000gp 75 51 26 Normal Listing / Services of the best Urban Ranger! Bid good for the tracking of one enemy, cults or group may cost extra. 40gp 76 52 27 Minor Image (Lights, picture) / Ring of Force Shield! 8,000gp 77 53 28 Normal Listing / Wand of Fireballs (10th level, 10 charges left) (Stolen from an angry Warforged Wizard.) 22,000gp 78 54 29 Normal Listing / Protect yourself from the dangers of living in Sharn! Rings of Feather Falling cheap! (One ring of feather falling at listed price.) 1,000gp 79 55 30 Arcane Mark / Potion of Love, half used. (Useless, angry noble woman trying to recoup some gold from a scam.) 100gp 80 56 31 Arcane Mark / +1 Keen, Flaming Long Spear (Taken from a lizardfolk leader in the cogs.) 4,000gp 81 57 32 Gnome Listing, Dancing Lights / B yeshk Gnome Hooked Hammer! Must buy. (Seller is retired Gnome adventurer.) 1,800gp 82 58 33 Undercommon Listing / Glamered Padded Armor. A rogue must have! 950gp 83 59 34 Dancing Lights / Bag of Bounty Must buy! 9,500gp 84 60 35 Normal Listing / Flametouched Iron Holy Symbol of the Dragon Above! Must have! 700gp 85 61 36 Major Image (Speaking and rotating image)/ Need healing, then buy our healing bulk pack! (5 Cure Light Wounds scrolls from a nearby church) 100gp 86 62 37 Normal Listing / Tailor closing! 10 Yards of Darkweave Cloth! Enough to make three cloaks! 430gp 87 63 38 Crude Common Listing / Magic Idol, very powerful. (Is actually a Sahaugin Clerical medallion. Seller is trying to lure sacrifices to his island.) 5gp 88 64 39 Normal Listing / Wand of Light (Seller is a Wizard that no longer needs it. 30 charges left.) 300gp 89 65 40 Normal Listing / One loyal Valenar Riding horse. (Adventuring group trying to recoup money for resurrection of lost Valenar companion.) 450gp 90 66 41 Arcane Mark / +1 Net! Don’t pass this up! 1,400gp 91 67 42 Elven Listing / Used Leafweave armor. (Belonged to a beloved Elven Paladin, family moved and is going bankrupt.) 700gp 92 68 43 Crude Common Listing / Bag of Devouring (Help me get this thing out of my hair! I’ll pay you! Seller is actually a human thief that last everything to the bag.) 1gp 93 69 44 Normal Listing / Raw Bronzewood! Four planks five feet by six inches, inch thick! (Seller is an artisan clearing out his overstock.) 2,500gp 94 70 45 Magic Mouth, Major Image, Arcane Mark / Lion’s Shield (Taken from a corrupt mayor in a small Breland town!) 9,000gp 95 71 46 Silent Image / Tired of Ghosts and Spectres? Get this! Ghost Touch Icy Burst Great Axe (Seller is an old Dwarven Ghost-Hunter) 17,000gp 96 72 47 Normal Listing / Ring of Mind Shielding (Seller is actually an Elven rogue trying to pawn off comically large metal headbands as magic “protectors”.) 6,000gp 97 73 48 Magic Mouth / Dragon Claws and Teeth for spells! Straight from Argonnessen! (Fraud, actually large bird claws and talons.) 20gp 98 74 49 Arcane Mark / Soarwood Warship The Flaming Spider Has a lengthy history! Must pick-up! (Seller is Privateer crew missing a captain.) 120,000gp 99 75 50 Magic Mouth, Dancing Lights / Four Letters of Marque! Never Used (Seller is a rogue that stole from his own party after a squabble.) 1,700gp 100 76 51 Normal Listing / Gauntlets of Ogre Power (Taken from a shifter tribal leader!) 1,000gp - 77 52 Arcane Mark, Major Image (Fire, crackling noises, Sword image) The one and only, Flame Tongue! Bid now! 32,000gp - 78 53 Magic Mouth / Keen Holy Valenar Double Scimitar (Seller is selling it rightfully after winning a duel with an Elf.) 3,000gp - 79 54 Crude Common Listing / Riedran Crysteel Guisarme (Seller is a Drow rogue.) 1,800gp - 80 55 Silent Image / Pile of Gold Bars! Taken from Xen’Drik itself! (Legit listing, ten gold bars stamped with strange runes. Value = 900gp) 600gp - 81 56 Arcane Mark / Beginning Wizard Set! Ring of Protection +1, Spell Book, Cloak of Resistance +1 and more! (From a snooty wizard that decided adventuring was ‘too hard’.) 2,350gp - 82 57 Normal Listing / Full set of Ioun Stones! Complete! (Legit Listing, sage found them hidden in a chest in his archives and has no need for them.) 200,000gp - 83 58 Arcane Mark, Magic Mouth / Fighter’s Lot! Bracers of Armor +1, Breastplate, Masterwork Maul and Boots of Striding and Springing. (Retired Fighter from war) 3,000gp - 84 59 Arcane Mark / Ring of Protection +4 (Human Fighter’s widow selling his things after having him poisoned.) 30,000gp - 85 60 Normal Listing / Gold and ruby cup set with matching silverware! (Taken from a Breland Noble. Worth 1,000gp) 400gp - 86 61 Dancing Lights / A Docent [Random Roll on Docent powers table] (The seller is a warforged fighter that broke off from his group after a disaster at Xen’Drik) 3,000gp - 87 62 Crude Common Listing / Magic Ring of flying! (Fraud, is a useless dented silver ring.) 1,000gp - 88 63 Normal Listing / Wand Grab Bag! I have ten to sell, you get one for your bid! (Random Wand.) 1,000gp - 89 64 Crude Common Listing / Bug Stick (Hobgoblin shaman created a staff of swarming insects and doesn’t know what else to call it.) 18,000gp - 90 65 Arcane Mark / Want to see dead people? A Lantern of Revealing! 22,000gp - 91 66 Silent Image / Cloak of Displacement (Minor) 25,000gp - 92 67 Silent Image, Prestidigitation (Sounds of sword fighting) / Need something…privateered? Count on the crew of The Dirty Dog. (Good for a theft of one item that will most likely not be handed over. The crew needs work.) 200gp - 93 68 Normal Listing / Buy this sword, please! (Actually is a fighter that has been annoyed by his intelligent longsword. Random abilities and powers.) 50,000gp - 94 69 Normal Listing / Large Painting of epic battle of last war. (Worth 450gp) 200gp - 95 70 Normal Listing / Raw Adamantine! Must pick up! Over 2,000 lbs! (The seller has a pair of dead Warforged with Adamantine bodies. Refuses to ship.) 900gp - 96 71 Normal Listing / Slightly used Darkwood Shield 200gp - 97 72 Arcane Mark, Prestidigitation (Flashing Lights) / Ring of X-Ray Vision (Seller is a harem-keeper in Sharn’s red light district and has too many.) 15,000gp - 98 73 Normal Listing / Bracers of Armor +5 (Actually a set of Bracers of Defenselessness. Seller is trying to get them as far away as possible.) 20,000gp - 99 74 Arcane Mark / Power Scroll Pack! (Seller is a Cleric. Three random 6th level divine scrolls.) 4,500gp - 100 75 Arcane Marked, Dancing Lights, Magic Mouth / Deck of Many Things (The only and only, don’t miss this opportunity!) 800,000go - - 76 Arcane Mark, Magic Mouth / Dead Sorceror lot! – Boots of Levitation, Robe of Scintillating Colors, Ring of Protection +3 and spellbook (DM’s Discretion) 125,000gp - - 77 Arcane Mark / +2 Flaming Longsword (From an abandoned wizard’s tower! Found by a group of adventurers.) 15,000gp - - 78 Normal Listing / Inactive Warforged Titan! Could be fixed! (Listing is actually a lure by agents of the Lords of Blades to a real, active Titan they have.) 60,000gp - - 79 Arcane Mark, Magic Mouth / Ring of Wishes. Only one left! Make all your dreams come true! (Seller used the other two to devastating personal effect, no longer wants anything to do with the ring.) 75,000gp - - 80 Normal Listing / Longsword, rare! (Actually a stolen Holy Avenger from an Exorcist. The church of the Silver Flame is looking for it.) 200,000gp - - 81 Magic Mouth / ‘Ioun Stone’ – Pale Blue Rhomboid (Actually a cursed load tone. Seller is a weasely little changeling in Sharn.) 6,000gp - - 82 Prestidigitation (Fire) / A book all must read! Manual of Leadership and Influence! (+3) 90,000gp - - 83 Arcane Mark / One suit of Demon Armor. Must Pick up. (Seller is actually a recruiter for a cult and uses the suit to lure evil individuals to meetings.) 40,000gp - - 84 Major Image (Lights, shouts and smells) / Absorbing Shield blowout! Dozens to sell. (Is a fraud, the shield is a crudely formed spongy material that does little beyond absorb water.) 20,000gp - - 85 Dancing Lights / Rogues! Don’t miss this opportunity! Scale Anything! (Set of four Immovable Rods. Greedy rogue seller.) 30,000gp - - 86 Normal Listing / Free Skycoach passage for a year! 10gp - - 87 Crude Common Listing / Magic Armor! Buy Now! (Is actually a barbarian selling his Armor of Rage. He saw nothing wrong with using it.) 800gp - - 88 Arcane Mark, Magic Mouth, Dancing Lights / Armbow component (Contains etching, the signature of the one and only Merrix d’Cannith!) 30,000gp - - 89 Normal Listing / Rogue Lot! Taken from a guy that tried to steal from me. (Seller is an angry Warforged fighter. Items are; Gloves of Dexterity +4, Bag of Holding (Type 3), a Ring of Jumping and a Cloak of Charisma +2) 25,000gp - - 90 Arcane Mark / +3 Shock Flametouched Iron Scimitar of Speed. (Seller is an Elven warrior of great repute, putting down his blades for a life of pacifism.) 100,000gp - - 91 Normal Listing / Land in Breland for sale, near Baran’s Keep! 20 acres! (The seller is a farmer who is about to lose his land to drought and infertility.) 800gp - - 92 Arcane Mark, Silent Image / +1 Chaotic Mighty Composite Longbow of Spell Storing (+3 STR Bonus) 23,000gp - - 93 Dwarven Listing / Used shield from the war days. (Large Mithril Shield. Seller is an old Dwarven lieutenant.) 600gp - - 94 Major Image (Moving Picture, Sounds of ‘wooshing’ etc) / House Lyrander Ariship, does not function. Must pick-up! (Ship is missing a few key components to get working. Could also be haunted.) 700,000gp - - 95 Minor Image (Rotating Picture) / Giant-sized suit of Banded Mail. Magical! (Actually brought back by an adventuring party. Is +2 Huge Banded Mail) 4,000gp - - 96 Dancing Lights, Silent Image, Prestidigitation (Sounds of trumpets) / Rod of Splendor! Be a noble instantly! (Seller is the wizard that created it to marry his noble love.) 25,000gp - - 97 Arcane Mark / Mantle of Spell Resistance! It came in handy for me! 80,000gp - - 98 Normal Listing / Strange Circlet (Actually just a simple gold circlet, value = 10gp) 25gp - - 99 Arcane Mark, Magic Mouth / Did you lose a friend? Seek our services. (One True Resurrection spell cast at price listed.) 7,800gp - - 100 Normal listing / Suit of Full-Plate (Is actually the Resplendent Armor of Dhakaan. Seller has no idea what it is. Actually found it on a dead Rakshasa.) 1,800gp * - This is price the item is currently going for. It does not include shipping fees, Simple Purchase fees or other bids. Random eBerray Adventure Ideas D20 Roll / Seed 1-2 / The PCs head to pick up a shipped item and are arrested by the ‘Delivery Boys’ on the spot for fraudulently selling a cursed item. Who stole their ID’s? Why? 3-4 / The PCs ship an item through any means besides the Kundarak OpenVault. When they get their package, it’s actually the severed head of a local merchant. Why was he killed? 5-6 / The PCs receive a particularly annoying cursed item instead of what they bid on. The ‘Delivery Boys’ are too swamped to deal with their item and they must track down the problem themselves. 7-8 / The PCs are hired by an eBerray seller to hand-deliver an item. Along they way, they are ambushed by bandits and must retrieve the item. 9-10 / The PCs bid on an item that is marked with an Arcane Mark. The item is fraudulent and thusly, some Gnome with House Sivis is fraudulently listing items. The PCs are hired to investigate to retain eBerray integrity as a third party. 11-12 / House Orien doesn’t think they’re getting a fair share of the shipping costs of the exploding eBerray market. The PCs are asked, as a third party, to go and negotiate a deal. 13-15 / The House Kundarak OpenVault passwords are prematurely leaked at a certain banking center and eBerray items are being stolen. The PCs uncover this and have a chance to investigate. 16-17 / Someone is removing the PCs listings as soon as they are placed on eBerray. Who? Why? 17-20 / A merchant is selling many duplicates of a certain piece of jewelry on eBerray. They uncover that the jewelry are actually magical items that reduce a wearer’s Will Save in an effort to mass Dominate the population. Who is doing it? Why? That's it. What do you guys think? And since I never got around to it, thanks Keith for such an awesome setting! (I have this in a convenient word document and would be happy to forward it. Send me an email at Mythos_Creature@hotmail.com if you want a copy.)
Medesha 12-02-04, 02:37 PM	This is awesome!!! Great job! :)
Ithamar 12-02-04, 03:01 PM	WOW... That is so cool. And you obviously put an awful lot of time and thought into that thing. Job very well done.
ThanisKartaleon 12-02-04, 03:13 PM	at first I thought, well, no... or that it was another joke thread... But this is actually pretty awesome. Heh. I think I might use this. Kudos!
BluSpecs 12-02-04, 03:15 PM	I'm the DM for the the group that came up with this idea and I must say I thought it was joke as well but mythos has done a great job with this. I think you could easily use this for an interesting string of adventures
stone_dog 12-02-04, 03:28 PM	... no words... should have sent a poet...
raventongue 12-02-04, 03:31 PM	... so what's the name for the service that you can use to pay for things without using real gold. SivisPal? You just let the earnings from sales float on the market to be used later for other purchases from other people who use the same system until no one is using hard currency anymore... Don't forget the forged messages players will receive from 'House Sivis' or 'House Kundarak' stating that there is a problem with their account and could they respond to this message with their personal SivisPal code...
Ranaku 12-02-04, 03:55 PM	I would suggest renaming it so that it isn't quite so obvious. Another thing would be that if your characters tried to sell something that they stole on it, the authorities would find out faster than if they tried to pawn it off. And once the authorities did, all your PC's assets would be frozen and yeah.... You're better off only trying to steal things when you've been contracted to do it, you want it for yourself (or another), or you're willing to pawn it off for whatever you can get, even if it is nowhere near the market price. Outside of those two things, I think it's a fairly good idea. Especially if one of your characters buys something that they need and it doesn't arrive in time because of a feud between the houses and then maybe an adventure that results from the characters having to track down what warehouse or airship their good are on.
Rinna 12-02-04, 04:10 PM	:rofl: I wasn't exactly sure what to expect when I started to read, I was just curious. Boy, was I surprised! The little story in the beginning was great! So well written and very funny. That, in itself, is a reason for me to use your idea...besides being incredibly well thought out. I can just imagine my group trying to find the strangest things on the board to then give as gag gifts to their companions. (They're a strange bunch.) Rinna
FTracer 12-02-04, 04:20 PM	VERY cool idea! I'll have to use this sometime, I think it'll be more interesting than having the pc's just go in a magic shop to get stuff. If World of Warcraft can have ebay, I'd think Eberron could too. http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/basics/auctionhouses.html
Mythos_Creature 12-02-04, 04:36 PM	First off, thanks to everyone for the warm replies! To address; ... so what's the name for the service that you can use to pay for things without using real gold. SivisPal? You just let the earnings from sales float on the market to be used later for other purchases from other people who use the same system until no one is using hard currency anymore... Don't forget the forged messages players will receive from 'House Sivis' or 'House Kundarak' stating that there is a problem with their account and could they respond to this message with their personal SivisPal code... Amen to the that Raventongue. I don't see why House Kundarak couldn't simply store your funds...it would be no different than a vault account in your name. Heck, eBerray payments could even be drawn from your account to pay for goods and deposited for sales. As for the fraudulent emails requesting passwords or confirmations, Raventongue, I think you just found your first adventure idea. ;) I would suggest renaming it so that it isn't quite so obvious. Yeah I know Ranaku, I debated for a long time. If I called it 'Therkhakohldk' people would say, "It sounds like eBay!" and if I called it 'Khorvaire-Online' or 'The Kundar-Sivis Marketplace', people would just look at me funny. Whatever the name, the design is still the same. And this;Outside of those two things, I think it's a fairly good idea. Especially if one of your characters buys something that they need and it doesn't arrive in time because of a feud between the houses and then maybe an adventure that results from the characters having to track down what warehouse or airship their good are on. ...is an excellent idea. The little story in the beginning was great! So well written and very funny. That, in itself, is a reason for me to use your idea...besides being incredibly well thought out. I can just imagine my group trying to find the strangest things on the board to then give as gag gifts to their companions. Thanks Rinna, I'm a struggling author above all, so this means a lot. You'll also have to let us know what you come with as gags for your PCs!
Bluebrush 12-02-04, 05:42 PM	Interesting. Though the reference is obnoxious, the idea is at least halfway workable. Three things though: 1: 7gp /Arcane Mark (Includes Identify) /A mark of authenticity and verification Identify requires a pearl worth 100gp. 2: This sort of thing is probably out of the wealth range of all but the upper class, so there may be problems with the noticeboard idea in smaller towns. (If there's one rich guy in town, there's probably no point in paying a gnome to tack up messages all day. As a possible solution, you could have eBerray publish a weekly/monthly list of their items which are sent to subscribers by Orien mail. A catelogue of sorts. You could this make an option of the seller of course. If they're not in a hurry to sell something, they could ask that it be posted to the boards and sent out in the newsletter. The length of the bidding time would give everyone time to read it and make bids. Those in a hurry to offload items (Adventurers burned down my home, and I need to sell this Framed Darguun Mosaic so I can afford rent!) could just opt to sell to the smaller, but faster message board market. 3: You mentioned that most bidders just bid the maximum amount they'd pay for the item to avoid paying for re-bidding. eBerray might want to avoid re-bidding to reduce their "bandwidth" consumption too, and they'd prefer bids to be as high as possible to max out profits. I know of a system that forces bidders to make a single bid of their maximum valuation, solving both problems at once. It's called the "Second price sealed bid auction." Basically, everyone sends in their secret bids. When the auction period ends, the auctioneer takes the two highest bids. The auctioneer declares the highest bidder the winner and makes the winner pay the price bid by the second highest bidder. This encourages people to bid their true valuation, as I will illustrate by example. Say there's a small +2 Kama on sale. Lotus Badger, gnomish cleric of Kol Korran, really wants this. He knows that the item is really worth 8302gp, but it's very hard to find such an exotic weapon with such a bonus in his size, so his valuation of it (the most he is willing to pay) is 10,000gp. (The extra 1698gp represents intangible values. Maybe he really like this particular kama or he doesn't want to find an arteficer who can make it for him.) Say there are two other theoretical bidders, A & B, who'll bid 12k and 8k respectively. If he bids 10k, then if A bids 12k, it goes to him for 10k. If only B bids, Lotus Badger gets it for 8k. He has made an (intangible) profit of 2000gp. Lotus considers bidding higher to ensure he wins the auction. So he bids 11k. If A bids, he still loses it to A. If only B bids, he gets the kama for 8k anyway. If he bids 13k, and A bids, Lotus gets the kama but pays 12k, an effective loss of 2k. If only B bids, he gets it for 8k, as usual. Realising the high bid strategy is foolish, Lotus considers bidding lower, in order to save money. If he bids 9k, and A bids, he loses anyway. If A doesn't bid, Lotus pays 8k as before. (If we were to have another person, C, bid at 9.5k, then Lotus would lose the kama he would have gotten if he had bid his true valuation.) If lotus bids 7k, then he will lose the kama no matter what. Eberray might also like the fact that this saves them posting results all over the place every time someone makes a bid. What do you think?
Wizardman 12-02-04, 06:00 PM	This is bloody brilliant. Great job!
Dauntless 12-02-04, 07:11 PM	1: Identify requires a pearl worth 100gp. Or hiring a member of House Tharashk with the Least Mark of Finding (Identify)
Dex The King 12-02-04, 09:26 PM	The only problem I have with it is the name, as most of my players would not take it seriously and make metagame jokes, or get sidetracked, and I hate it when they do that. Other than that, great job, I just might use that.
Edymnion 12-02-04, 10:22 PM	Or hiring a member of House Tharashk with the Least Mark of Finding (Identify)Or an Artificer using an Identify Infusion. I'll admit, I thought this was going to be a crap thread, but I was pleasantly surprised. Exceptional work man!
StoneTree 12-03-04, 12:57 AM	My main beef with this idea is, of course, the meathod used to communicate from point to point. It's all well and good to say, "Magic," but a look at the DMG shows even the simplest spells cost a fair hunk of money per casting. There's no spell in the PHB to send a message to dozens or hundreds of locations similtaniously, but given the range (thousands of miles) and targets (numerous and we may not know much about them) such a spell would be of at least moderate level... meaning that putting an item up for offer would probably cost closer to a thousand gold, not the goblin-selling-his-chairs three gold. The solutions are the monthly catalog idea, which seems pretty cool, because you'd have adventurers settling back with a book looking for deals, or a band of theives with a subscription who use it to find magic items who's owners arn't particuarly married to the object--or having magical items in place which allow the users to send messages to one another as an "at will" or "per day" option. WHich would not only have a tremendous initial expense, but introduce the idea of telecommunications to Eberron, which has no such thing. Such a solution would drastically rewrite the world, and would definately not be appropriate to a majority of "vanillia" Eberron settings. The idea of, say, the "Mhorr Hold Monthy," however, has sparked my imagination. I might yet steal it.
LazarusX 12-03-04, 01:18 AM	You know; this is the most crazy, silly, off-the-wall idea I have seen. And then I read the work that went into it. I love it. It's imaginative, thought out, very specific, graphed, very "Eberron" feel. Marvelous job. Of course; we can poke holes through it....no one is perfect at making something this large-scale; but bravo to you. I think any DM can take what they want(or nothing at all) of this and place it into their campaign with little worry.
zerotkatama 12-03-04, 01:25 AM	Speaking stones could do it.
nyysjan 12-03-04, 01:29 AM	Or an Artificer using an Identify Infusion. I'll admit, I thought this was going to be a crap thread, but I was pleasantly surprised. Exceptional work man! doesn't artificer need material components :confused:
Bluebrush 12-03-04, 03:39 AM	As to the "Magic communication is expensive" problem, until I can check the setting book, I could suggest that minor communications like this could be sent en-mass at the end of the day.
DJDave 12-03-04, 03:57 AM	Bravo Bravo :D ***immediately prints thread for later use***
JohnnyONeal 12-03-04, 07:47 AM	Hahaha, awesome! I'm coming out of hiding just to post my enthusiasm for this.
LazarusX 12-03-04, 08:01 AM	Wait, wait...i can't resist. Selling: Khorvaire Artificer 7th level Stats are above average in every area. Magelo can be seen here http://www.thislinkdoesntwork.com Any specific questions or comments please feel free to email me. I am not selling the character; only the time and effort it took me to obtain this character. Upon successful end of bidding; I will transfer this character to you for 1 copper; after which, the character is yours to play. By bidding on this item; you acknowledge that you are not an employee of WotC; or any relative of such. Sorry, couldn't help myself.
Mythos_Creature 12-03-04, 09:31 AM	Wow! Thanks again everyone. To Address; Identify requires a pearl worth 100gp Blue Brush - Absolutely right. Perhaps an amendment that it's not actually the spell Identify, but rather a thorough inspection by a House Sivis Gnome? As to quality of craftsmenship. (I.E. Appraise, Knowledge or Craft check?) Would that be better suited to the price of the Arcane Mark? 2: This sort of thing is probably out of the wealth range of all but the upper class, so there may be problems with the noticeboard idea in smaller towns. Entirely right again Bluebrush. I believe the vast majority of items here would be for the wealthy upper class, nobility and well-to-do adventurers. I like your 'catalogue' idea for a cheaper version of the marketplace. A place where beginning adventurers can get cheaper and slightly used gear to start their path to adventure. It doesn't cost as much to post a 'listing' in the magazine, and thusly, returns are not as high. Lower pricing and financial standing of audience, the less extravagant and obscure is the items for sale. That will have to be added! As for the 'Lotus-style' of bidding. It's not so much that it's an inconvenience to House Sivis to post, heck, they make gold every time you do it. That was part of the deal with the House doyenne, to ensure her house makes oodles of gold from this. (I read she was shrewd!) I was more trying to point out the fact that - unless you want to spend a bunch of gold in bidding fees - you'd better just slap down one bid. The only problem I have with it is the name, as most of my players would not take it seriously and make metagame jokes, or get sidetracked, and I hate it when they do that. I'll admit, I thought this was going to be a crap thread, but I was pleasantly surprised. Alright, alright...point taken. It needs to be renamed. I'm open to suggestion. It's all well and good to say, "Magic," but a look at the DMG shows even the simplest spells cost a fair hunk of money per casting. There's no spell in the PHB to send a message to dozens or hundreds of locations similtaniously, but given the range (thousands of miles) and targets (numerous and we may not know much about them) such a spell would be of at least moderate level... meaning that putting an item up for offer would probably cost closer to a thousand gold, not the goblin-selling-his-chairs three gold. Stonetree - Respectfully, I disagree. When I first read Eberron, it struck me a place where magic is so common that it's almost a household thing - indeed backed up by random living spells, mages that cast Feather Fall on in-need Sharn inhabitants for a reward and ships flying through the air. To me, it makes sense that the communications would only improve and become cheaper. Look at it this way, if one guy way using a telegraph to send out messages to a hundred locations and had to type in the same message a hundred times, I could see the price justification. But install a network of stations, the Gnome-power to run them and the abundant magic flowing in Eberron, and I think it's justifiable to have a cheap way to communicate a relatively simple message. I try to view House Sivis as the precursory internet, only instead of servers, we get Gnomes. (Much cooler in my opinion.) I think any DM can take what they want(or nothing at all) of this and place it into their campaign with little worry. I feel the same way too LazarusX. Oh and... *Runs off to place bid on Magelo* :D
LordofIllusions 12-03-04, 10:05 AM	Good job! There is just one thing you forgot to add in: The mechanics for when a consumer purchases numerous things from several fraudulent sellers(over a period of time) who do not send the products, or return the purchaser's money, and Ebay/Eberray refuses to do anything about it unless the purchaser paid even more money(which defeats the purpose if all of your purchases were small ones, which cost less than the protection itself) for their fraudulent buyer protection program. Once you add that in, your idea will be just like Ebay! :D ~~~
stone_dog 12-03-04, 02:19 PM	Hahaha, awesome! I'm coming out of hiding just to post my enthusiasm for this.Congratulations grasshopper! You have summoned the O'Neal! Truely you are destined for great things!
Mythos_Creature 12-06-04, 09:44 AM	Congratulations grasshopper! You have summoned the O'Neal! Truely you are destined for great things! Maybe I don't haunt these boards enough to understand, but thanks anyway!
ThanisKartaleon 12-06-04, 03:31 PM	Maybe I don't haunt these boards enough to understand, but thanks anyway! His site (http://www.breland-ledger.blogspot.com/). ^^