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Dawn_of_an_Age 05-16-07, 12:16 PM	How many would be interested in a book like this? The idea came to me today while I was sitting at my desk reading the Sharn Inquisitive. I thought to myself, "This is such a living and breathing world"; High Adventure, Political Backdrops, a well fleshed out world, so forth and so on. Wouldn’t it be cool to see a detailed breakdown of Eberron's Fashion; what does the typical Joe Shmoe wear, or the High Society of Sharn, or whats popular among the Street Thugs of Malleons Gate (Are they sharded out (iced out) or what? I know that it has been defined across several books generally, but what I propose is a detailed like Catalog with all the fluff and crunch to go with it. What do you guys think? How about we start a thread version of this concept that we can use in our games. If there is enough interest maybe Wizards will publish some such book in the future. Ideas?
Rechan 05-16-07, 12:25 PM	In Five Nations, it mentions what each country dresses like. At least, it did for Cyre.
Rechan 05-16-07, 12:28 PM	Evilmonster posted this in a thread on fluffy bits from your campaign: Breland is hat [sic] and rainy more often than not. So the people there wear light clothing. Women lean toward shortish skirts and men and women both wear heels to keep their feet out of the puddles. Karnathies (Karnithians?) are from a cold, wins swept climate and bundle up alot. The Karns think all Brells cress like hookers. And the Brells think all Karns are stuck up, **** retentive sticks in the mud. Thrain also thinks Breland should show more modisty. This isn't a big thing, but npcs often mention these sterotypes.
Shady314 05-17-07, 08:55 AM	It was postulated once and I liked the idea that those with Dragonmarks would favor dress that showed off the mark. One need look no further than the picture next to our very own Eberron General forum(and for the Eberron Community as a whole). That'd be this one... http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/eb_gallery/82096.jpg But a book? I wouldn't pay money for that. Could make an interesting Dragonshard though.
Nived 05-17-07, 11:51 AM	I'll agree with the Dragonshard thing, however I do believe this is covered a bit in Five Nations, also some of the existing Dragonshards. Lemme look. Valenar typically wear loose, silk clothing and light armor decorated with elaborate engraving and embroidery. One unusual tradition is the use of red or brown patterns mimicking blood spatters or stains so that the gore of battle will blend with the elf's clothing. A common accoutrement is the zaelta -- "spirit mask." This veil is practical in the harsh environment of the Blade Desert, but it also helps the wearer submerge his identity within that of his ancestor. A Valenar warrior usually wears the sigil of his ancestor on his helmet or as a brooch; thus, those looking at the elf see his ancestor, not the mortal warrior. Zil spellweavers bind illusion into cloth, and the finest glamerweave comes from this land. Some tailors specialize in hypnotic abstract patterns while others weave clear images into their outfits: an evening gown might hold a breathtaking rendition of a sunset over the Seawall Mountains. Magical or no, most Zil gnomes prefer bright colors and loose, flowing designs. Hats are also popular, and a typical Zil street has gnomes wearing a plethora of different styles of headgear. Jewelry bearing both precious and semiprecious stones accentuates clothing; a gnome who cannot afford gold and gemstones sees no shame in wearing finely crafted ornaments of copper and glass. A dwarf's accoutrements reflect his wealth and thus, his power, but they also indicate his appreciation of beauty, his judgment, and his intelligence. A poorly dressed merchant has a hard time in business. If he cannot judge the worth of his own clothes, who will trust his merchandise? As a result, a Mror dwarf may spend more on his clothing, armor, jewelry, and weapons than on his home. The Mror are stoic and content to endure physical discomfort and hardship. Sleeping on stone is preferable to wearing drab clothing. As a result of this, a troop of Mror soldiers are a colorful sight. Dwarven armor is typically coated with enamel or covered with complex engraving. Weapons are equally striking; in addition to colorful hafts and gilded blades, many are made in unusual designs personalized to the warrior. Jewelry is very important to the Mror and often carries special significance, indicating rank within a clan, military honor, or civic office. A Mror dwarf can recognize the significance of another dwarf's jewelry by making an Intelligence check (DC 5); any character can recognize the relevance of the jewels with a Knowledge (nobility) check (DC 20). Lhazaar dress varies from principality to principality, but it often shows traces of the polyglot heritage of the region. Clothing tends to be tough and functional since it's made to resist the rough weather of the seas and the bitter cold of the northern winter. Lhazaarites take great pride in their hair, and complex braids and decorative accessories are common among both men and women. Five nations has similar entries but I don't think I can post them without bending copyright.
Splendide 05-18-07, 02:51 AM	It was postulated once and I liked the idea that those with Dragonmarks would favor dress that showed off the mark.I remember postulating that that would be so `new money', and thus unlikely to be standard. I would favour embroidery or jewelry that mimicked the marks, if one felt that circumstances required an obvious display.
Shady314 05-18-07, 03:24 AM	I remember postulating that that would be so `new money', and thus unlikely to be standard. I would favour embroidery or jewelry that mimicked the marks, if one felt that circumstances required an obvious display. New money? Dragonmarks...?? How? Doesn't get more old money. I hardly see a difference between embroidery and jewelry to accentuate it and a sleeveless shirt to show the mark on your arm. It's all ultimately a display of power and prestige. You don't hope to develop one your whole life and NOT show it off.
Splendide 05-18-07, 03:42 AM	I hardly see a difference between embroidery and jewelry to accentuate it and a sleeveless shirt to show the mark on your arm. It's all ultimately a display of power and prestige. You don't hope to develop one your whole life and NOT show it off.I guess if you were the King of England you'd never be seen without your crown on either? It is tacky to go parading your mark around everywhere. If you have one, then soon enough, people will know you have one. People who do know you have one will be referring to you as d'Something. It will get about. Like I said, showing it off is a `new money' thing to do. Dragonmarked families are not some guy who made it big in frozen orange juice concentrate that wants to buy a Merc, tip outrageously and talk about how much money they have...they are lines of nobility.
Shady314 05-18-07, 04:34 AM	I guess if you were the King of England you'd never be seen without your crown on either? In public? Probably not. Appearance is rather important to a king. You can't have your subjects see you not looking kingly. It is tacky to go parading your mark around everywhere. If you have one, then soon enough, people will know you have one. People who do know you have one will be referring to you as d'Something. It will get about. It will get about to people in the know. But when you walk down the street? There will be people that want the envious looks. Tacky or not. And I don't think it is tacky. Arrogant probably. Fashion is highly subjective. Would a lot of the fashion of the 70's be well received today? No. But in the 70s that was the fashion. Who says Khorvaire doesn't have a wacky fashion sense? Like I said, showing it off is a `new money' thing to do. Dragonmarked families are not some guy who made it big in frozen orange juice concentrate that wants to buy a Merc, tip outrageously and talk about how much money they have...they are lines of nobility. Even if we accept showing off something you should be proud of is tacky (which I don't believe) am I to believe no heir has a bad fashion sense. :) And old money families don't drive big expensive cars? Wear ridiculously overpriced clothes?
Nived 05-18-07, 01:45 PM	You know I think it would be much as depicted in Wayne Renyold's spash art in Dragonmarked. Most of those characters have a visible dragonmark. Most seem as though they're not purposfully showing it off (the whole mark isn't visible). They just happen to be wearing clothes that don't completely cover it. Lets everyone know these are important people without being ostentatious about it.
Shady314 05-18-07, 07:00 PM	Most seem as though they're not purposfully showing it off (the whole mark isn't visible). You know this is interesting because ever since Dragonmarked I thought they WERE showing it off deliberately. The guy on the cover for example is pretty bundled up with his cloak that seems to have three belts clasping it together but even though his mark goes up to his face and is thus visible already for some reason his shirt is open? :) The dwarf on the back has shaved his head bald so we can see his awesome dragonmark just as Jode did in KB's City of Towers novel. Which Jode did so people could quickly see he was Dragonmarked. On the back there's a half-orc wearing a sleeveless shirt which let's us see his mark on his arm. And on page 145. On page 128 the gnome chick is wearing shorts so one can see the mark on her right leg etc. even though she appears to be doing some climbing or hiking. Sure some of her mark is covered but I never thought anyone would take it to such extremes they'd walk around in a g-string to show off every millimeter of their mark. :) I think the art shows how a DM character would show off the mark so everyone would know right away they were DM but without being done to a ridiculous or tacky extreme. Those characters still look very kewl and heavily armed and armored people like the Blade of Orien or Medani Prophet don't have their marks exposed as they shouldn't. I suppose it's easily explained as the artist just wanting to make sure we see the mark but I find it amusing to give in-game reasonings in situations like this. Not saying people MUST do this or accept this in their campaign but I hope my thinking is understandable. :)
Splendide 05-18-07, 10:52 PM	In public? Probably not. Appearance is rather important to a king. You can't have your subjects see you not looking kingly.Sure, but you can be kingly without waving around your crown and sceptre everywhere. Queen Elizabeth II wears nice hats. Even if we accept showing off something you should be proud of is tacky (which I don't believe) am I to believe no heir has a bad fashion sense.Far from it. But I don't believe the majority of them do. :) And old money families don't drive big expensive cars? Wear ridiculously overpriced clothes?Sometimes they do, but its not a big deal. Its just standard for them.