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P33KAJ3W 06-22-04, 02:18 PM	Do Incur any Multiclass XP Penaltys? Race - Elf (Valenar) Point Buy (25) - Str 13 Dex 16 Con 10 Int 16 Wis 8 Cha 8 Level - BAB,Fort,Reflex,Will - Feat And Stats 1 Rogue (1) -0,0,2,0- Sneak Attack +1d6, Trap Finding | Improved Init 2 Rog (1) Ranger (1) -1,2,4,0- Favored Enemy, Track, Wild Empathy 3 Rog (1) Rgr (2) -2,3,5,0- Combat Style (TWF) | Heroic Spirit 4 Rog (2) Rgr (2) -3,3,6,0- Evasion | Str +1 5 Rog (2) Rgr (3) -4,3,6,1- Endurance 6 Rog (2) Rgr (3) Horizon Walker (1) -5,5,6,1- Plains (Terrain) | Combat Reflexes 7 Rog (3) Rgr (3) HW (1) -6,6,6,2- Sneak Attack +2d6, Trap Sense +1 8 Rog (3) Rgr (3) HW (2) -7,7,6,2- Underground (Terrain) | Dex +1 9 Rog (3) Rgr (3) HW (3) -8,7,7,3- Forest (Terrain) | Improved TWF 10 Rog (4) Rgr (3) HW (3) -9,7,8,3- Uncanny Dodge 11 Rog (4) Rgr (3) HW (4) -10,8,8,3- Marsh (Terrain) 12 Rog (4) Rgr (3) HW (5) -11,8,8,3- Hills (Terrain) | Greater TWF Dex +1 13 Rog (5) Rgr (3) HW (5) -11,8,8,3- Sneak Attack +3d6 14 Rog (5) Rgr (3) HW (6) -12,9,9,4- Shifting (Planar) | Improved Critical (Valenar Double Scimitar) 15 Rog (6) Rgr (3) HW (6) -13,10,10,5- Trap Sense +2 16 Rog (7) Rgr (3) HW (6) -14,10,10,5- Sneak Attack +4d6 | Dex +1 17 Rog (8) Rgr (3) HW (6) -15,10,11,5- Improved Uncanny Dodge 18 Rog (9) Rgr (3) HW (6) -15,11,11,6- Sneak Attack +5d6 | Deadly Precision 19 Rog (10) Rgr (3) HW (6) -16,11,11,6- Opportunist (Special Ability) 20 Rog (11) Rgr (3) HW (6) -17,11,12,6- Sneak Attack +6d6 | Dex +1
Josh Wilhoyte 06-22-04, 02:58 PM	At 13th level, your Rogue and Ranger levels are two levels apart, so you suffer XP penalties since neither of those is an Elf's favored Multiclass. The Horizon Walker levels never matter since they are a prestige class. Depending on the feats you are taking, you may qualify for a Prestige class with Sneak Attack dice if you want to avoid the multiclass penalty (such as Guild Thief).
Realmsman 06-22-04, 03:30 PM	Actually Ranger is the favored class of the Valenar Region so no the character wouldn't incur any Multiclass XP penalties. A races favored class is never counted for the the character's total levels when it comes to Multiclass XP penalties.
P33KAJ3W 06-22-04, 03:42 PM	Originally posted by Josh Wilhoyte At 13th level, your Rogue and Ranger levels are two levels apart, so you suffer XP penalties since neither of those is an Elf's favored Multiclass. The Horizon Walker levels never matter since they are a prestige class. Depending on the feats you are taking, you may qualify for a Prestige class with Sneak Attack dice if you want to avoid the multiclass penalty (such as Guild Thief). Thank you - I will make him a Changling then
Jhaelen 06-22-04, 04:06 PM	Originally posted by Realmsman Actually Ranger is the favored class of the Valenar Region so no the character wouldn't incur any Multiclass XP penalties. A races favored class is never counted for the the character's total levels when it comes to Multiclass XP penalties. Are you sure about this? I cannot find this in the book. While the section on the Valenar Region on page 27 says, that Ranger is the most common class in Valenar it doesn't say, that Ranger becomes the favored class for someone from Valenar.
darkthought 06-22-04, 06:04 PM	No, Wizard is still the prefered class for Elves. The reason is that they make natural wizards, no matter where they are. It's just part of the fact that elves generally like the "artistic" value of wizardry, and that they are inherently magical. :)
Tainted One 06-22-04, 09:42 PM	How do there regions of origin work? I don't have book yet but had a quick look at it. Does it change your class by adding the skills as class skills? Or is it just a guide to show the classes, feats and skills people from these regions tend to focus on?
JohnnyONeal 06-22-04, 10:02 PM	Actually Ranger is the favored class of the Valenar Region so no the character wouldn't incur any Multiclass XP penalties.Just to clarify this, all elves in Eberron still treat Wizard as their favored class. Eberron creator Keith Baker has said that treating Ranger as the favored class for Valenar elves might make a good house rule, but you'd have to clear it with your DM. For the original quote from Keith, click here (http://www.coveworld.net/eberron/rules.html#favored).
Realmsman 06-22-04, 11:42 PM	Excuse me I stand corrected, I hadn't seen that link before, but on a side note Regions were originally intended to add classes to a characters favored list.
darkthought 06-23-04, 01:52 AM	Originally posted by Tainted One How do there regions of origin work? I don't have book yet but had a quick look at it. Does it change your class by adding the skills as class skills? Or is it just a guide to show the classes, feats and skills people from these regions tend to focus on? The regions of origin thing is just a suggestion. It's a list of skills and feats that would be common there.
Josh Wilhoyte 06-23-04, 12:43 PM	Excuse me I stand corrected, I hadn't seen that link before, but on a side note Regions were originally intended to add classes to a characters favored list. I don't know where you heard that, but I have seen nothing to that effect. All races and classes are intended to be used exactly as shown in the Player's Handbook. Region has some mechanical effect, for example whether your Halfling can use a Talanta or boomerang and whether your babarian and take the Dragon Totem feat, but nothing to the degree of adding or changing favored Multiclass.