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| InfinityStar807-05-05, 11:48 AM | Has anyone else thought that the Eberron setting would be a great cartoon show? Also, with the MMORPG (D&D Online) and the RTS/RGP (Dragonshard) computer games coming out ontop of all the other great Eberron and basic D&D book I think it has enough material to really help suport it. It could have a small core set of charicters with a "revalving door" of guests to keep other core and new classes/races coming into it. Start it in Sharn but have them travel all around the world. Vol and the Emerald Claw can be the major villan and have special villans of Rajas, Dragons, Houses at 'war', and even normal thugs. Have Keith do a 24 episode rough plot and then a team of writers flesh out each episode. It would give Eberron some classic charicters that some people say the setting is missing but still be off-set enough where you don't have to say they are in 'your' Eberron game. So, what do you all think? |
| gaerfindel07-05-05, 12:04 PM | Personally, I'd like to see an anime-style series on Adult Swim. Although, some might confuse the Eberron cartoon with Full Metal Alchemist... |
| InfinityStar807-05-05, 12:08 PM | I'm a little sick of all the Anima-style cartoons out right now. I would love it if Wizard did a more adult (As in Cartoon Network's Adult Swim) type of show but if they made it a Saturday morning cartoon it is at least something. |
| mistakeagian07-05-05, 12:20 PM | I would die to see an Eberron cartoon with the art style of the old D&D cartoon. Argh, nostalgia... |
| Edymnion07-05-05, 12:38 PM | I'm a little sick of all the Anima-style cartoons out right now.Ditto, they never get it right. Leave anime to japan, they know what they're doing. I'd rather see an Eberron toon done in the Justice League style, personally. And yes, this topic has come up many times before ;) |
| ryanroyce07-05-05, 01:00 PM | Ditto, they never get it right. Leave anime to japan, they know what they're doing. I'd rather see an Eberron toon done in the Justice League style, personally. And yes, this topic has come up many times before ;) I think that Japanese anime could work, but even so, I would highly prefer an American anime in the style of Genndy Tartakovsky's Samurai Jack or Clone Wars. :ayyyy!: Ryan |
| N-|)07-05-05, 01:26 PM | I would actually prefer Eberron comic books. The pages before the chapters in SCoT were really cool and it would be sweet to see an actually progressing sotry behind them. |
| Tek07-05-05, 02:42 PM | agreed. I would love to see some Eberron cartoons in the style that they have at the beginning of the chapters. It just fits. Cartoon wise, I would love for the guys who did Clone Wars to make an Eberron cartoon. I loved that series. |
| Edymnion07-05-05, 03:01 PM | I think that Japanese anime could work, but even so, I would highly prefer an American anime in the style of Genndy Tartakovsky's Samurai Jack or Clone Wars. :ayyyy!:No thanks. The animation, while fluid, was sub-par, IMO. Yeah, I know it was the style they were going for, but it came across looking like South Park to me. No shading, no highlights, just flat animation cells. Yuck. |
| Siran Dunmorgan07-05-05, 03:09 PM | It was a style that worked well for Samurai Jack, but I personally would be more intrigued by something more like the Mike Mignola-esque chapter headings in the Eberron Campaign Setting. On the other hand, some of Mike Mignola's character designs don't translate well to film *cough*Disney's Atlantis*cough*. Now, thinking not so much of the series itself, but of the advertising posters for the old Dungeons & Dragons cartoons that were drawn by Bill Sienkiewicz (http://www.billsienkiewicz.com/), an Eberron series drawn by the estimable Mr. Sienkiewicz would be something to write home about. —Siran Dunmorgan |
| ChronosCrow07-05-05, 11:40 PM | I think an Eberron comic book done by Mike Mignola would be better. Or better yet have Mignola do the animation, that could be a good combo. |
| Brastan07-06-05, 12:47 PM | The art and animation style should reflect the theme of the show. What would it be about? Their are so many different options. A bunch of episodic mini-series would probably be the best format. 3 to 5 episodes each which would probably cover a whole adventure. Change the characters and story when its done. That way you can cover many different aspects of Eberron with out one thing getting repetitive. The problem I've found with most modern American cartoons is not the animation but the fact that they try to be open ended. The networks want them to run forever if posable. Regardless of the animation style it should be quality. I'd rather see an Eberron toon done in the Justice League style, personally. I'll agree with you there. It seems to be adaptable. Batman The Animated Series also had a great look. |
| Edymnion07-06-05, 01:50 PM | A bunch of episodic mini-series would probably be the best format. 3 to 5 episodes each which would probably cover a whole adventure.Not really, no. Check out the Record of Lodoss anime, the original OAV movie was over 6 hours long for essentially one short campaign, and then another 20-30 episode series after that for another. It could easily be strung out to fill a normal season or two without comprimising quality. The problem I've found with most modern American cartoons is not the animation but the fact that they try to be open ended. The networks want them to run forever if posable. Regardless of the animation style it should be quality.Thats the fault of all American television, sadly. In Japan, they have a story they want to tell, they make a show to tell that story, and when the story is over, they end the show. Over here though, its not so much a story as a basic premise that they keep churning out until it runs itself into the ground and no one watches it anymore (like Simpsons). |
| Amaril07-06-05, 10:30 PM | Batman The Animated Series also had a great look. Yes, I think an Eberron campaign drawn on black paper like the Batman The Animated Series would be perfect. It's would help to reinforce the same dark edgy feel that Eberron has. I personally hate the style of anime seen in Teen Titans. If it were to be drawn in any form of anime, I prefer the sleeker and more adult anime style of Macross Plus and Ghost in the Shell. |
| Edymnion07-06-05, 10:41 PM | I personally hate the style of anime seen in Teen Titans. If it were to be drawn in any form of anime, I prefer the sleeker and more adult anime style of Macross Plus and Ghost in the Shell.TT is American. Macross and GitS are Japanese. IMO, nothing animated in America can qualify as being anime. It can be anime inspired, or anime-esque, but it cannot actually BE anime. |
| Amaril07-06-05, 10:43 PM | TT is American. Macross and GitS are Japanese. IMO, nothing animated in America can qualify as being anime. It can be anime inspired, or anime-esque, but it cannot actually BE anime. I agree. Regardless, I'm sick of the bubbly, lolipop animation in today's cartoons. |
| mistakeagian07-07-05, 02:03 AM | With the use of digital technology, and rotoscoping, I think you could make a very original cartoon. I am not sure why people don;t use computers or computer based rotoscoping more, but that might be a cool approach if ever there was to be an eberron cartoon. Mmmm, Ralph Bakshi does Eberron... |
| cmanos07-07-05, 12:38 PM | anyone remember Pirates of Dark Water? |
| Brastan07-07-05, 12:38 PM | Actually I believe its getting more use. Mucha Lucha on the WB does this. I might be wrong but I thought I heard somewhere that they use Flash or a similar program for compositing. You'll probably find it more on the web then in production houses. It takes time and training to use those programs. There are many quality Flash animators on the web including at least one web comic that uses it, Alpha-Shade. Brackenwood Entertainment (http://www.biteycastle.com/content/animation.php) I recommend Bitey of Brackenwood if you haven't seen it. And course there is all ways Homestar Runner. Discussing animation is great but how do you sell something like this to a network? Dungeons and Dragons has not done very well in the visual media. Also who would be the target audience? anyone remember Pirates of Dark Water? Yes! Although I didn't get to watch it as often as I would have liked. Alert! Drizzit-tum warning, it suddenly occurred to me creating a cartoon show and making characters who will be come popular icons could generate a Drizzit. A remote possibility but something to consider. |
| mistakeagian07-07-05, 12:59 PM | I say talk to HBO, Showtime and Sci-Fi they are the most likely stations to take a chance on something like this. Plus, they would approach it with a more adult perspective. I have seen the Brackenwood stuff (just caught a repeat of Attack of the SHow where they talked about it) it is impressive. I am glad to see studios doing more complicated animations with Flash and such. I LOVE homestarrunner but I would prefer a very intricate and complicated style of animation something almost sketchy for Eberron, that would feel right to me. Dark Water was really neat, to bad it (like the conan cartoon before) got an Alf ending. |
| Edymnion07-07-05, 02:02 PM | rotoscopingGods no. Sorry, but I've seen the rotoscoped Lord of the Rings movies, and I *NEVER* want to see rotoscoping again. |
| Hola07-07-05, 06:01 PM | I'm think eberron comic drawn by Tod Mcfarlane, the mans way to rich to agree to ever do it. But it would be cool. (grammer loser for) |
| Foxboy200007-07-05, 06:04 PM | re: Anime vs. NOT-Anime Sorry, the argument that American animation isn't "anime" doesn't hold water. Y'see, in Japan and France, where the word originated, "anime" means animation in general and not just the common stylistic elements found in Japanese OAVs. That said, I'd rather see the more mature, action spin on the setting that is common to Adult Swim's shows than the old-school D&D cartoon... re:My take Hmmm. The show should have an "iconic" main party as far as character classes go: rogue, arcanist (Wizard, Sorceror, Artificer), divine caster (Druid, Cleric), and Fighter. Races... are more troublesome... Using a warforged might set off the "ripping off Full Metal Alchemist" radar... re: French origin for "Anime?" It's true. It comes from the phrase "dessins anime," meaning "Moving Drawings." (I'm sure that's missing all sorts of accents and diacritic marks, but whatcha gonna do? *shrug* |
| Aloïsius07-07-05, 06:17 PM | re: French origin for "Anime?" It's true. It comes from the phrase "dessins anime," meaning "Moving Drawings." (I'm sure that's missing all sorts of accents and diacritic marks, but whatcha gonna do? *shrug* Dessins animés. Only one accent, and the plural "s" The word "anime" is not french, BTW, I don't know what it is, it has always been used to designate japanese animation (aka manga). What about an entirely 3D Eberron ? Something that could use the work done for either D&D online, or Dragonshard ? |
| Brastan07-07-05, 07:06 PM | Now we come to it. Interest in fan created work and Machinima. So far we have only really discussed and the idea of an official publicly/cable aired show. Now I'm not adversed to the idea of a fan project. I'm not sure how cooperative DDO and Dragonshard will be for Machinima. I would not expect DDO to be a first choice. How good is the map editor(if there is one) for Dragonshard? I personally was thinking of utilizing Warcraft3's engine and map editor. However we should proably relocated a dissucions of fan made Eberron machinima to a different topic or forum. Races... are more troublesome... Using a warforged might set off the "ripping off Full Metal Alchemist" radar... This is why I thought that a show comprised of essentially interconnected miniseries would probably be best. Conduct one story arch with X characters for Y number of shows then move to another story arch. Then next one could include different characters, some of the same ones, a completely new party. Tie some events together to create larger plots or meta plots. This way the show doesn't stagnate on one particular 4 man adventuring group. You can even play adventuring parties off each other. |
| Joni-san07-07-05, 07:27 PM | If it was an animated movie or a short miniseries (OVA like) I'd go with the studio that made Titan A.E.. The animation was well done IMO :). I wonder if it should be based on CoT or a new story set in the Last War (Think of the Warforged Army) :drool: If it was a "standard" series: No longer than 26 episodes. Should explore the many facets of Eberron Should be supervised by Keith Brastan's idea of interconnected miniseries is interesting :thinks: and I'd like to see it in action. |
| Brastan07-07-05, 07:58 PM | Sorry Joni-san, as cool and awesome as Titan A.E was the end result was that the studio folded last I heard. Something about 20th Century Fox not getting back the money it put into the movie. It just did not make that much money. It's sad because Phoenix studio did a phenomenal job. :weep: Who remembers Red Plant the animated mini-series adaptation of Robert A . Heinlein's novel of the same name? That's primarily the reason I'm thinking of a mini-series approach. |
| mistakeagian07-07-05, 10:08 PM | Gods no. Sorry, but I've seen the rotoscoped Lord of the Rings movies, and I *NEVER* want to see rotoscoping again. You need to hit apples quicktime trailers and look at "through a scanner darkly" you might change your mind when it comes to DIGITAL rotoscoping. |
| Kaoru Nagisa07-08-05, 02:58 AM | The thing I've noticed about shows made in America that have an anime 'look' (of course, the anime 'look' is actually quite a few different looks, from serious to weird, from mega-detailed to minimalist) is that they make the same mistake that makes me dislike most American cartoons in general. They are open ended, without much of a real sense of change, and without an over-arching story. Eventually, they get run into the ground, as others have said. As it is, my heartfelt belief is that an animated show with the Japanese style CAN be made here in America and be made to work. It would take dilligence, a set of minds who know what they're doing, and are brave enough to dare to stand up against common practice. There would have to be an actual story to tell, and if it ended, the show would have to end. It would need to be serious, and hopefully have at least some satire in it. Eberron would be great. It has a style and a character of its own, one that I've been able to feel even from just reading a few books and Dragonshards and hearing everyone speak about. I say, if anything would succeed, it would be Eberron. |
| InfinityStar807-11-05, 02:42 PM | I forgot to think of it sooner but what about one of the very best American cartoons of all time (And it was even a Disney toon at that), Gargoyles! The whole show was great, it had solid single episodes with an overall core story line. And it had the entire Star Trek: TNG cast do it's voices. I say the cartoon should be done like that show. As far as what the show should be about and who be in it I say something like this; First Episode be a bit of back-story on Eberron starting with the three prim dragons fighting and making the world. A quick history of the Age of Dragons, Deamons, Giants, and Monsters to the rise of Galifar and the Last War ending with The Day of Mourning and the signing of the Treaty of Thornehold. After that the core story for the first 24 episodes should be something about a core group of 4 or 5 adventures trying to find what to do in a war free world and they get cought up in a search for a powerful weapon, so powerful it may of been the cause of the Mournland. Then the Blood of Vol and the Silver Flame could have a little fight with them and each other for who should control this object. All the major power groups could get involved. Or, to borrow from the new Dragonshard RTS they are in search of a Dragonshard so large, so pure whoever owns it could rule all of Eberron. And as far as people look in the Eberron CS: Thondred the Dwarf Arificer Corrash the Halfling Barbarian Vanira the Gnome Bard Kuduth the Half-Elf Cleric (Sovereign Host) Janar the Half-Orc Druid with Oru the Wolf (Say Gatekeeper Druid at that) Azm the Warforged Fighter Kash the Human Monk Thiera the Human Paladin (Silver Flame) Halharan the Kalashtar Psion Sarav the Elf Ranger Tam the Changeling Rogue Ural d'Orien the Human (Dragonmarked) Sorcerer Baristi the Shifter Wizard And maybe in later episodes or the second season you can introduce classes like Warlock, Favored Soul, Hexblade, Ninja, Samurai, Scout, Shugenja, Spelltheif, Spirit Shaman, Swashbuckler, Warmage, and the Wu Jen. Then you might think about PrCs like Blackguard, Bone Knight, Exorcist of the Silver Flame and the 3.2 billion others. I'm just seeing more and more reasons for this to happen! |
| Edymnion07-11-05, 02:56 PM | re: Anime vs. NOT-Anime Sorry, the argument that American animation isn't "anime" doesn't hold water. Y'see, in Japan and France, where the word originated, "anime" means animation in general and not just the common stylistic elements found in Japanese OAVs.Yes, anime is the japanese shortening of animation, and includes all animated works produced anywhere in the world. But that isn't what it means to japanese animation fans HERE. Just like here, an otaku is a big anime fan, and is generally seen as a compliment amongst the fans. In japan, otaku means "house", and is generally considered a slur or an insult with the same connotations as "loser who is 30 years old and still lives with their mother". What it means there has little to nothing with what it means here. When *WE* use the word "anime", it has a specific meaning. The generic origins of the word aren't important, no more than the origins of the word "crazy" being a sailing term have any bearing on it's current meaning for insanity. |
| DarkWarriorKarg07-11-05, 04:03 PM | Originally Posted by Edymnion TT is American. Macross and GitS are Japanese. IMO, nothing animated in America can qualify as being anime. It can be anime inspired, or anime-esque, but it cannot actually BE anime. TT is produced in Japan for export to the US. I don't know about the cartoon network in the US, but over here, half the episodes opening theme is in japanese. The same group does it in english. That show is pretty awful. The studio behind Batman:TAS also produced "Big O", which I recommend. They do noir/action pretty well. The style in "Big O" is what I'd go for. Unfortunately, what'd we'd probably get is: - "Oh, no! It has violence. Can't have that! Remove it and send it to FOX." - A Crappy theme song by 4Kids extolling the virtues of working as a team. - Cross merchandising - Something like the Winx Club (The Twink's Club?): Dress like a tramp & have an attitude problem. - Repeats after the 3rd episode. |
| Siran Dunmorgan07-11-05, 04:06 PM | The only problem I have with an Eberron cartoon is the prospect of it actually being implemented. From the time an idea is concieved, to the time it is presented to the public, all kinds of horrible things can happen. For example, if you have an idea like "Let's do a show about two kids who are best friends with Death", and *you* are thinking of an adolescent take on "Meet Joe Black", the folks who actually implement the idea proceed to produce "The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy". I'm not willing to let that happen to Eberron. —Siran Dunmorgan |
| InfinityStar807-11-05, 04:11 PM | For example, if you have an idea like "Let's do a show about two kids who are best friends with Death", and *you* are thinking of an adolescent take on "Meet Joe Black", the folks who actually implement the idea proceed to produce "The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy". That is when you have Hellcow be the Exec. Producer or make sure he O.K.s whoever is going to be the 'guard dog' of his world. |
| Brastan07-11-05, 04:54 PM | It's a question of who gets to it first. I would think the sooner there is fan work the less likely a studio will be willing to take it on with out at least peeking at fan works. clearly the a D&D playing audience expects a moderate level of violence as its one of the primary drives in the game. The level of violence is modifiable however. HP is a very abstract concept, not every blow would actually open wounds. How would a Gnome expect to survive being struck and impaled on a huge giant's arrow? I've always like the concept of HP being a characters luck or stamina in fight. At some point you energy or luck runs out and a fatal or near fatal blow lands. The toned down version of violence in Eberron would be 1) use lots and lots of undead as I can't think of a network that wouldn't be okay with chopping up zombies. 2) aberrations aka inhuman monstrosities. this might be a little to scary to use for a younger audience but at least they don't look human. 3) effigies, the templet in CA offers the excuse to pull a Ninja Turtle with Foot Clan robots or constructs. 4) non-lethal combat out side of organizations like the Emerald Claw I would expect smart footpads to use non-lethal damage since assault has much lower sentence than murder. It can also be nearly as effective as lethal combat. 5) less but more cinematic combat. Remove the hordes of humanoid or humanoid shaped underlings and go for high stakes BBEG fight. These can lead to great fights that you can't exactly get in game. In a lower violence Eberron think more puzzles, traps, and riddles. There are ways to satisfy low violence while still delivering a great story and great visuals. The problem comes when networks take it and dumb it down to the point were chimps are insulted. No violence and no thinking is no fun. There has to be at least one, preferably a bit of the other as well. The Bone Knight would be great as antagonist who has a seemingly limitless supply of mindless dead. Especially if he or she were backed by a Cleric of the Blood of Vol. The trick is vary the encounters so they don't become repetitive and predicable. |
| SonofKhyber07-11-05, 06:02 PM | I personally have heard a rumor that Wizards of the Coast is attempting another D and D movie that is to be set in the Eberron world. We'll see. :D |
| A Man In Black07-11-05, 11:03 PM | TT is produced in Japan for export to the US. I don't know about the cartoon network in the US, but over here, half the episodes opening theme is in japanese. The same group does it in english. That show is pretty awful. Incorrect. It's going first-run in both Japan and the US (which is unusual; usually a series runs first in just its nation of origin), but the storyboard team and writers are American. If you want to be technical, it's sent out to Korea for the gruntwork animation, but they do that in both the US and Japan. The band (Hi Hi Puffy) that does the title theme is Japanese, though, which is why about every fourth episode has the OP in Japanese. The studio behind Batman:TAS also produced "Big O", which I recommend. They do noir/action pretty well. The style in "Big O" is what I'd go for. Nope. WB Animation never touched Big O. Big O was inspired by Batman:TAS, though, obviously. |
| N-|)07-12-05, 01:43 PM | I personally have heard a rumor that Wizards of the Coast is attempting another D and D movie that is to be set in the Eberron world. We'll see. :D Whats your source? Or cant you tell. |
| Brastan07-12-05, 02:11 PM | Dungeons & Dragons 2: Elemental Might (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0406728/) has been "in the works" for a very long time, so long in fact that I think its been dumped. I have not heard anything more about for nearly a year when I believe Warner Brothers picked it up. I am skeptical of its success, although it is under the direction of a different person than the first one, Gerry Liveley I believe. I don't think it will have in impact on any sort of Eberron Cartoon but it may cause concerns about D&D in visual media if it doesn't do well. With LoTR out and Disney doing the Chronicles of Narina any D&D movie is facing stiff standards as fantasy film. Back to the topic of cartoons. I liked Big O, although it went a little to slowly for me and I could only see it occasionally while staying at hotels on trips. Stylistically Eberron should not be cute! This is probably were the most danger in to feel and flavor could be generated. I want my Eberron as cute and cuddly as a sea urchin (http://www.humboldt.edu/~natmus/newsletter/Tidepools/purple-urchin.jpg). :coolcthul (we need a sea urchin) |
| polt07-12-05, 02:35 PM | Eberron should be dark! Evil! |
| liquidfilth07-12-05, 02:57 PM | I, personally, would love to see Eberron animated in the same/similar style as Aeon Flux. That strange/creepy aesthetic, with a strong story where the good guys don't always win. |
| Edymnion07-12-05, 03:23 PM | I, personally, would love to see Eberron animated in the same/similar style as Aeon Flux. That strange/creepy aesthetic, with a strong story where the good guys don't always win.Ooh, no thanks. I hated the way they drew people in Aeon Flux, they all looked underfed and boney. Not to mention going out of their way to shove sex into the story, no matter how innappropriate it was, just because they could. Like the entire episode revolving around a key item, that in the end all it did was unlock Aeon's underwear, and EVERY soldier there had one. No, I think we need to stay FAR away from Aeon Flux, and just pretend like Reign the Conquerer never happened... |
| Joni-san07-12-05, 04:37 PM | I, personally, would love to see Eberron animated in the same/similar style as Aeon Flux. That strange/creepy aesthetic, with a strong story where the good guys don't always win. NO! NO! NO! Aeon Flux is a crime against humanity. |
| Missekat07-12-05, 04:52 PM | Can i seriously ask a question here? I know its slightly off topic but i cant help it: Am i the only one who absolutely HATED the D&D movie? I mean.. HE TRICKED A BEHOLDER WHO IS GENIUS INT. WITH A "THROW A ROCK" TRICK?? HE JUST WALTZED INTO A PLACED THAT BY OBVIOUS PLOT REASONS SHOULD BE LOADED WITH MAGIC TRAPS AND DEFENSES????? *ahem*... *Deep breath* And that was just two of the crimes perpetrated. If they ever make a sequel i seriously hope that the guy who was responsable for the first movie will not get the chance to even glance at it. Ever. |
| Brastan07-12-05, 06:08 PM | Agreed, the D&D movie toke the name and virtually nothing else. This has been the problem with D&D in videos for some time. Although beholders are only as smart as the DM and face it the DM(director) for the D&D wasn't the brightest fellow when it came to the game. Aeon Flux? I don't know that one so I'll just take a quick look... :noway:. Do you ever want see this on network TV? If you do then Aeon Flux "style" is out of the question. Characters are likely going be clothed to the maximum of appropriateness to race and class. No peekaboo chainmail. I could even see Warforged waring something like a tunic and britches at least. What would like to see as the rating TV-14 or TV-Y7-FV? TV Rating System (http://www.tvguidelines.org/ratings.asp) |
| SonofKhyber07-12-05, 07:55 PM | Whats your source? Or cant you tell. A friend of mine who keeps an ear out for such information. |
| A Man In Black07-12-05, 08:19 PM | Can i seriously ask a question here? I know its slightly off topic but i cant help it: Am i the only one who absolutely HATED the D&D movie? No. It was critically panned, widely complained-about, and bombed at the box office. |
| Beleriphon07-12-05, 10:03 PM | No. It was critically panned, widely complained-about, and bombed at the box office. And not entirely the director's fault. He had this big fight scene with all the characters and a lich, but the studio basically refused to spend the money on an obviously wasteful and unnecessary scene. |
| A Man In Black07-12-05, 11:42 PM | And not entirely the director's fault. He had this big fight scene with all the characters and a lich, but the studio basically refused to spend the money on an obviously wasteful and unnecessary scene. I dunno. The entire movie, script to execution, had too many problems for a single setpiece fight scene to save it. |
| InfinityStar807-13-05, 12:22 AM | I dunno. The entire movie, script to execution, had too many problems for a single setpiece fight scene to save it. You got that right! As far as I will ever tell anyone there was no D&D movie. Just go see Lord of the Rings 1, 2 and 3. |
| Kaoru Nagisa07-13-05, 02:25 AM | I agree on the movie. As far as I am concerned, there IS no Dungeons and Dragons movie! I did like the animation style in Batman and Big O. I can imagine Sharn with that look. Definitely. In this day and age, luckily, there are havens for more serious cartoons. Suck as the Adult Swim block. Something such as Eberron would fit there, and I can't really think of any other place currently where such a show could come to fruitation as it should. None of the networks. Heck, not even Cartoon Network on daytime! They'd destroy it. -_- |
| Beleriphon07-13-05, 02:43 AM | I dunno. The entire movie, script to execution, had too many problems for a single setpiece fight scene to save it. The problem is thats just an example, one of so many things the studio basically refused to allow to happen, either because some suit decided it was too esoteric, or it cost too much. Amongst other things, a script rewrite was at one point refused since it would cost "too much". Anyhoo, I would love to see Eberron as a animated program. Not necessarily the anime (pronounced animēshon in katakana, thus anime as the abbreviated form there in), there are variety of experimental animated styles that would work well. I wouldn't recommend something as esoteric as Wizards, but some a little more "out there" would work wonders. |
| Beleriphon07-13-05, 02:55 AM | In this day and age, luckily, there are havens for more serious cartoons. Suck as the Adult Swim block. Something such as Eberron would fit there, and I can't really think of any other place currently where such a show could come to fruitation as it should. None of the networks. Heck, not even Cartoon Network on daytime! They'd destroy it. -_- YTV (Youth Television) in Canada would air such a program without issue later in the evening. They have a variety of interesting program thorugh out all hours, many of the ones during late prime time (9pm to 11pm) are often aimed at the 14 to 16 crowd, sometimes even my age bracket that started watching YTV when it first aired in 1989 at the tender age of 7 (there I just gave you my age). |
| ekomega07-13-05, 03:54 AM | NO! NO! NO! Aeon Flux is a crime against humanity. Maybe no one is aware of this, but there's an Aeon Flux movie coming out in the near future, starring Charlize Theron. She's not nearly thin enough for the role, though. Needs to lose like 80 pounds and get tongue extensions. They're showing previews at Comic Con, I believe, and Charlize will be there on Friday (or maybe Saturday... can't remember). |
| polt07-13-05, 04:08 AM | I laughed so much when i saw the D&D movie, I actually rewinded some places because the scenes made no sense, and I have to watch them twice. Funny stuff. The ending makes no sense, and the scene where Marlon throws the map, and that big bad guy get really offended and kills him. |
| smalltown_hero07-13-05, 01:02 PM | I actually think that a great Eberron cartoon would be along the lines of the HBO cartoons from a while back, yeah sure they were "adult" but that doesnt have to be the case here, I just think that you could go in the McFarlane style of the Spawn cartoon (which was awesome) or in the style of Spice City (I think thats what it was called). Also, in the context of anime, I am not sure I would want to see Eberron in the feel of something like DBGT or Yu-Gi-Oh, but rather something more sophisticated, like the teams that did Cowboy Bebop, and currently Samurai Champloo, or the team that does Ghost in the Shell:Stand Alone Complex. I think that would be swell. |
| tzeraph07-14-05, 09:08 AM | Why not an Eberron comic a la Sandman style? Think it would work very well with the setting. |
| Radkres07-14-05, 09:27 AM | That is when you have Hellcow be the Exec. Producer or make sure he O.K.s whoever is going to be the 'guard dog' of his world. The only problem with that is he sold his world to wotc and it is they who decide what is cannon not KB. How many times has he gritted his teeth when an official work comes out that goes against his vision. Or he has to adapt his vision to fit in the new wotc vision. Must hurt to see your world changed and get the fall out for wrong or bazaar information with his name plastered all over it. |
| Roxlimn07-14-05, 10:48 AM | It's a sad day for American animation when even Americans give short shrift to it and prefer Japanese animation to portray a much-loved setting. Of course, it isn't like American animation didn't generally deserve the denigration it gets from most people, but the reasons for this, IMO, lie in the persistent mainstream American delusion that cartoons should be for children rather than any lack in animating talent or artistic inspiration. If an Eberron series were to be made in the animated vein, I would prefer for it to be made to cater to a late teen to adult audience, with the kind of artistic vision and streamlined definite storytelling you normally only see in such series as 24 and Lost. No dumbed down plots and mind-numbingly "decent" shows, please. Even US kids puke on the kind of squeaky clean idiocy that makes up the majority of Cartoon Network daytime programming. Equally important, it should not be planned as an ongoing serial like Friends or Seinfeld or Magnum PI. It should have a definite story, with a definite time table. As regards the style of animation, I'm firmly of the belief that the kind of animating style you see in Justice League or Batman TAS would be appropriate to the setting. In reality, I'm partial to Japanese anime because stories with themes and styles of this nature have already been succesfully rendered in that medium. The sobering but subtly uplifting plots of such shows as FMA, Tokyo Godfathers, and Witch Hunter Robin shows me that Japnese animators definitely have the chops to make a series with the appropriate feel in terms of musical tenor and animation technique. That being said, I don't see why people who can do the animating job of Batman TAS should shirk from the challenge of developing a mainly for-adult all-American show. However, if they choose to do this, I would prefer that they stand firmly away from the character designs they used in JLU and B:TAS. Those kinds of bombastic art-deco inspired designs work great for superheroes, but I don't want superheroes in Eberron, if you know what I mean. |
| Hennet07-20-05, 02:55 AM | Why do you all want it to animated in some way. Would it not be better if it were real (not animated) with actors and sometimes and only use visual effects and computer for some stuff. Not another animated series. |
| Beleriphon07-20-05, 03:25 AM | Why do you all want it to animated in some way. Would it not be better if it were real (not animated) with actors and sometimes and only use visual effects and computer for some stuff. Not another animated series. The primary reason that live action fails for fantasy on TV is because a TV program doesn't have the budget to actaully do decent special effects for each episode. A movie can blow twenty million on CGI for two hours of entertainment, a TV show can't spend that kind of cash. Sci-fi tends to get better treatment, although that is largely a function of not needing decent looking "monsters" since a low render space craft is often indistinguishable from a high render. Also note that two popular fantasy TV program, Hercules and Xena, were abyssmal in terms of plot, dialogue, and characterization. But they had skimpy outfits, and goofy fights. |
| Hennet07-20-05, 03:37 AM | What about the show "Far Scape" that would spend millions of dollars every episode |
| mistakeagian07-20-05, 08:30 AM | What about the show "Far Scape" that would spend millions of dollars every episode And was seriptitiously cancelled cause Sci-Fi channel preferred to pay that money for Stargate. |
| gaerfindel07-20-05, 09:25 AM | Why do you all want it to animated in some way. Would it not be better if it were real (not animated) with actors and sometimes and only use visual effects and computer for some stuff. Not another animated series. To properly produce a live-action Eberron show would require the aid of the Creature Shop, and I believe Brian Henson et alia have other projects with which they are currently busy. Not that I wouldn't want to see such a series -- Storyteller or Labyrinth-level effects? Just tell me what time and I'll set my VCR! -- but the cost would be pretty high. Cheaper to go the full animation route. |
| Hennet07-20-05, 09:31 AM | I just mean the television networks are sometimes willing to spend large amouts of money |
| Jeremiah DeathFist07-20-05, 10:01 AM | Meh... I'd rather have an Eberron comic book series. I mean one of my favorite parts of the campaign setting is just flipping through it and looking at all those awesome little comics. |
| darkthought07-20-05, 10:32 AM | The new Battlestar Galactica has pretty good special effects, a tad above Farscape with the space shots, imho. Special effects are getting cheaper and cheaper, and even Lucas has said that there will be a Star Wars TV series in the future. Many people like anime style, and if you've seen Record of the Lodoss War, you'd understand completely. A Lodoss style Eberron would be very, very cool, even if the elves have huge ears. |
| InfinityStar807-20-05, 01:14 PM | I forgot to think of it sooner but what about one of the very best American cartoons of all time (And it was even a Disney toon at that), Gargoyles! The whole show was great, it had solid single episodes with an overall core story line. And it had the entire Star Trek: TNG cast do it's voices. I say the cartoon should be done like that show. As far as what the show should be about and who be in it I say something like this; First Episode be a bit of back-story on Eberron starting with the three prim dragons fighting and making the world. A quick history of the Age of Dragons, Deamons, Giants, and Monsters to the rise of Galifar and the Last War ending with The Day of Mourning and the signing of the Treaty of Thornehold. After that the core story for the first 24 episodes should be something about a core group of 4 or 5 adventures trying to find what to do in a war free world and they get cought up in a search for a powerful weapon, so powerful it may of been the cause of the Mournland. Then the Blood of Vol and the Silver Flame could have a little fight with them and each other for who should control this object. All the major power groups could get involved. Or, to borrow from the new Dragonshard RTS they are in search of a Dragonshard so large, so pure whoever owns it could rule all of Eberron. And as far as people look in the Eberron CS: Thondred the Dwarf Arificer Corrash the Halfling Barbarian Vanira the Gnome Bard Kuduth the Half-Elf Cleric (Sovereign Host) Janar the Half-Orc Druid with Oru the Wolf (Say Gatekeeper Druid at that) Azm the Warforged Fighter Kash the Human Monk Thiera the Human Paladin (Silver Flame) Halharan the Kalashtar Psion Sarav the Elf Ranger Tam the Changeling Rogue Ural d'Orien the Human (Dragonmarked) Sorcerer Baristi the Shifter Wizard And maybe in later episodes or the second season you can introduce classes like Warlock, Favored Soul, Hexblade, Ninja, Samurai, Scout, Shugenja, Spelltheif, Spirit Shaman, Swashbuckler, Warmage, and the Wu Jen. Then you might think about PrCs like Blackguard, Bone Knight, Exorcist of the Silver Flame and the 3.2 billion others. I'm just seeing more and more reasons for this to happen! Sorry for quoting my own post but it was at the very end of the first page and I don't think a lot of people saw it. I still say an Eberron cartoon done much like Gargoyles would rock! If I knew one was coming out I would not be able to wait to see how they would dray Sharn. |
| Roxlimn07-24-05, 03:28 PM | Strongly disagree. IMHO, Americans should stop syndicating shows and running them until they get ground from being pressed into the ground so much. It just ruins the quality. It happens to everything, but about the worst can be found in American animation, especially Transformers, GI Joe, and even Gargoyles, to a lesser extent. Some of the episodes from these series were just plain painful to watch. If Americans were to make an Eberron animated series, they should craft the plot beforehand, present the series complete, and angle for a budget and a timetable involving a delivery of the entire package en toto. That way, you have time for post-production polishing and pick-ups, as well as a consistent quality throughout the entire series. |
| Beleriphon07-24-05, 06:25 PM | What about the show "Far Scape" that would spend millions of dollars every episode Its impracticle. Most TV shows spend between 1 and 2 million for total costs of each episode, including salaries for the actors. Certain very popular program pay the actors more, only because they have minimal overhead costs outside of the actors. |
| Beleriphon07-24-05, 06:27 PM | The new Battlestar Galactica has pretty good special effects, a tad above Farscape with the space shots, imho. Special effects are getting cheaper and cheaper, and even Lucas has said that there will be a Star Wars TV series in the future. But Battlestar Galatica is sci-fi, and as I mentioned the sfx tend to require less work than a fantasy series. Space craft by their nature are easy to create using CGI since they are all lines and angles. |
| ArthurQ07-25-05, 11:10 AM | A friend of mine who keeps an ear out for such information. Actually, I think your friend was talking out of his rear end in order to make it appear that he was knowledgeable or "in" with someone. HAS/WOTC doesnt have the film rights for D&D. Shortly before TSR was bought by WOTC it sold the film rights to D&D away. Over at Enworld, we find a copy paste, of a post made on these boards by Charles Ryan about the whole issue. I'll copy paste THAT post for you to see... Originally Posted by Charles Ryan (on WotC Messageboards OK, here's as much scoop as I can give you at this time. I'm going to have to start with some deep background info, though. So, many many years ago, D&D was owned and operated by TSR. For reasons unknown, TSR entered into a licensing deal allowing a D&D movie to be made--a deal that was not good for the owners of D&D. It essentially allowed the licensee to make whatever movie (and sequels) they wanted with almost no approval rights on TSR's part. Five years ago, the first movie was finally made and released. It had been made with virtually no input from TSR and WotC, but in the last stages the licensee invited WotC to work together on cross-promotions, which we did to some extent. Other than that, though, WotC had virtually no say in the movie. The licensee began to work on a second movie, and this time they invited our participation from a much earlier point. (Presumably they liked working with us on the cross-promo of the first film, and figured we had some unique insights we could offer for the second film.) We didn't have the right to demand any changes, but we were asked for input on some aspects of the movie, and we gave it. Some of our advice was taken, and some wasn't. It was our hope that our participation would result in a movie that was much closer to the expectations of the fans and the personality of the game. Now, to your specific questions: I can't confirm the cast list, because I don't know Mark Dymond from Adam. (I've seen the guy who plays Berek, but I don't know if Mark Dymond is his name.) I can only confirm that Bruce Payne does play Damodar again (without the blue lips, this time). I can also confirm that Krusk, Lidda, and Jozan do make a voice-only appearance. And I can confirm that Krusk's voice is that of WotC RPG designer Ed Stark. That's all I can tell you about it at this point. Sorry I can't give you any more details, but you'll probably hear a lot more about the movie from us as we get closer to the release date! So while WOTC may have some input on D&D2, It's certainly not Eberron. IF you go to Enworlds TV/Movie Forum (http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=94479&page=7&highlight=Movie+Elemental) Then you'll see all the latest info Enworlders have gathered on the movie. As for an Eberron Cartoon. I dont know if that license applied to animated features or not. But I dont think WOTC can make their own D&D movie while that other license is in effect. A D&D Cartoon would be great IMO. If you ask me the best animation style for it might be good ol regular animation. I really enjoyed the style used for the Dragon Warrior cartoon, and The Legend of Zelda Cartoon (only 13 eps). Those styles can be adapted to be darker and what not. The JLU animation style could definatly work as well. Before a cartoon we should definatly have a comic though. And the waters of animation could be tested online with a few 15 minute flash features. |
| N-|)07-25-05, 11:28 AM | Before a cartoon we should definatly have a comic though. Hear hear! |