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Majorafire77 09-13-05, 03:40 PM	many younger Cyrans have started wearing dark, flamboyant clothing they call "mourningwear" as a way of remembering the country they hardly knew. It makes sense, but still... :hoppingma emo kids **** me off
Tek 09-13-05, 03:47 PM	Heh. Funny find.
TheRedRobedWizard 09-13-05, 04:16 PM	Actually, my friend, that would be "goth" kids. Emo kids in Eberron would wear strangely coloured glasses and black tunics with the names of famous bards stenciled upon them. They talk about being dark and dour when in reality they are rich and live the life of rich-ness. Many feign being "excorciated" from a house, but in reality are Dragonmarked Heirs. Silly silly Emo kids. Don't confuse them with Goths though, those are two totally different animals. -TRRW
Draggah 09-13-05, 04:28 PM	I realize I'm about to date myself horribly, but curiosity always gets the better of me. :( What's an emo kid, and what does the 'emo' part stand for?
Nived 09-13-05, 04:45 PM	emo... emotional. Skinny teenagers with their hair in their eyes that wear dark colors and mope, cry, and whine about how hard their lives are, and how unjust the world is... usually all having to do with some breakup.
Talanall 09-13-05, 04:46 PM	An emo kid is someone who listens to emo music and otherwise ascribes to or claims to ascribe to the values espoused in it. "Emo" is a broad genre of punk or punk-influenced music; it's also an abbreviation for "emotional." Yes, apparently someone thought it would be appropriate to designate one particular genre of musical as being "emotional." I don't get it, either. Emo music came from the work of some punk bands current in the mid-80's, who were subsequently imitated and have given rise to a fairly broad selection of bands, which are characterized primarily by sounding like a punk band, and having introspective lyrics. It's normal for a given band to have a pretty closed fan following, so as you'd expect, some lyrics will only make sense to you if you follow a specific band. Like so many fashion/cultural movements, emo has its own "uniform" of sorts (the biggest one you're likely to have noticed is the combination of horn-rimmed glasses and black-dyed hair. Gas-station attendants' jackets used to be the big thing, but that's less true now. Males often go for bald heads in combination with facial hair. Because of the somewhat dark and emotionally-sensitive direction taken by most emo music, and because of the unusual and distinctive attire chosen by its fans, emo kids are often subject to much the same brands of ostracism as goths. It's often considered to be outside the "mainstream" of American pop culture.
Calibim 09-13-05, 04:46 PM	I realize I'm about to date myself horribly, but curiosity always gets the better of me. :( What's an emo kid, and what does the 'emo' part stand for? Ok this is completely off topic of Ebberon but this is something I posted on my blog that should shed some light to those who are not sure what is "emo" or "scene". and emo statnd s for "emotional": A Guy’s Guide to being “Scene” First and foremost, your AIM screen name should be some rad song title and/or lyric. Remember, the more x's you have in it, the more scene you are. Next, go buy yourself some girl's jeans. Face it, the tighter your jeans are, the more scene you will be, and the more the hardcore kids will hate you for it. Try on a pair of jeans and find that you're a perfect woman's 2? Buy a woman's 0 and suck it in. After you buy your jeans, go straight to Hot Topic and buy every single band shirt they have. Even if you've never listened to the band, or worse, never head of them either. [Being scene, you're supposed to know every single band in the scene. Duh.] If people ask you about them, just say you like the "old stuff" and no one will ever know that you actually hate Norma Jean. Never buy anything larger than a Youth Medium. Ever. Dont forget to pick up a white leather belt on your way out! So, now you're dressed pretty scene, but how's your hair? Is it dyed black? Maybe with some bleach-blonde streaks? Do your bangs cover one of your eyes? If you answered no to any of these, shut up, grab a pair of scissors, and chop away. Never go and get your hair done, ALWAYS do it yourself. Good job. Now your hair is the sex. But, your look wont get you anywhere if you dont know how to dance. And by dance, I mean beat the crap out of people. First of all, you need to make sure you claim your space in the pit. As the band starts, push everyone back and scream something obscene. Then you need to start to pace the pit just so everyone knows that you can move in your pants. Pacing the pit involves doing a half walk-half skip across the room, while looking downwards and shaking your head. But dont mess up your hair. Then, when the time is right [trust me, you'll know when] throw your arm back and hopefully, you'll hit someone in the face. 5 scene points if his nose bleeds. Begin two-stepping. If you dont know how to two-step, you might as well leave and go practice in your living room in front of a mirror until you get it. Add some sweet floor-punches and a couple spin-kicks into the crowd, and you're set. Notice how I didnt mention the windmill. It's because that everyone knows that everyone is able to do the windmill. Too bad. Now for the pile up! As everyone runs up to the stage, make sure you go last so you can be that cool kid on top of the pile. If you dont know the words to the song, fake it, and hope that its just screaming. Your job is done. Stand in the middle of the floor, with your arms crossed and survey the scene. Good job, scene. Good job. So you're offically labeled an ******* now that you've given a couple of people black eyes. That's ok, that's the point. Now that you're back home, go straight for your computer and immediately check your myspace. Get really ****** off when you dont have any friend requests, and get even more ****** off when no one has left you a comment in the 6 hours you werent home. Figure its because you havent updated your pictures in a couple of weeks and go take some more. Take about 80, but use the 2 most flattering ones. Remember, the more skin you show, or if you're sitting on the toilet, the more comments you will get. Go outside and have a cig break and redraw the black X's on your hands. Afterall, you ARE straightedge. Everyone KNOWS cigs dont count! Look up at the stars, sigh, and thank god that you're not emo. Even though you really are Now I say this being and old skool Industrial/Goth Guy who bounced at several Goth/Industrial/Alternative clubs here in Tampa, Fl., who really does like a lot of the new music out now. But just like back then "love the music, but the people in the scene sorta suck". We now return you to your regular Ebberon Board......
Vharuck 09-13-05, 05:24 PM	My quick summary of Goth history (all of Goth's incarnation I am aware of) and the birth of emo. Way, way, way back, during the time of the Roman Empire, the amazingly expansionist nation dominated Southern and Western Europe as well as North Africa (IIRC, not important). In an attempt to push forward into the dense deciduous forest to the North, they found they weren't battling other countries but barbarian tribes (barbarian just meaning people considered having less culture). The one tribe that really gave them hell were the Goths. The Goths followed the Gothic (surprise!) religion, which is the one with Valhalla and Valkyries. Not the only one, but it was one of them. And so, a fierce series of battles ensued, with the outnumbering Roman troops marching forward in lines across fields while the Goths sprung from behind trees and used the brilliant V formation (while screaming with scary eyes too!) to win battles they shouldn't have been able to. Not all the battles, but enough to keep the Romans out for some time. Soon, IIRC, the Romans succumbed to inner turmoil as well as becoming the *****es of the Mongolian Horde. Next came the Renaissance (seriously, just follow me here). The Renaissance sprang forth from the Dark Ages, and so most of society didn't look back to fondly. So they labled the time period "Gothic," since they wanted to slander it by comparing it to barbarians. An insult and now people want so badly to be "Goth?" Read on. And so literature developed itself further (yes, that wasn't transition; the history of the word "goth" really is that sporadic). A certain literary movement sought to compare and pit religion and history against science and modern times. However, these stories were often ghost-story like and drew upon the ancient gothic structures, which were rife with gargoyles and pictures of the evils religion said would visit upon the unfaithful, to invoke strong emotions many Europeans shared (haha! it's emo literature!). And so the literary style was termed "Gothic," and boasts such classics as Dracula and Frankenstein (Note: Frankenstein and the first four chapters of Dracula are good, and not many other Gothic books are). Now to the 1950's. Say hello to beatniks. Remember them? I bet some people don't (I wasn't alive back then, but I am aware of the movement). Movement? Yes, a counter-culture movement. They were mostly artistic types who felt estranged from society and decided, whether it was because they shunned society or society shunned them I don't know, to show their independance from the norm. So they wore a lot of black. A LOT of black. This was something that hadn't been done before (this tactic at least) and carried a lot of weight with it. But, like all sub-cultures, the beatnik culture faded into obscurity. Now for the 80's. Welcome to the Modern Era (which, surprisingly, we are no longer in). The religious and the secular (for lack of a better term, I refuse to use science) have always battled in society and usually achieved and lost dominance in cycles. This was the secular's time in the sun. Many amazing studies had already taken place by the 80's and science continued to plow on. Also feeding off the lack of organized religions was the field of philosophy (popular amongst college kids who also just happen to be developing their sense of self-identity). During the 80's yuppies also spawned forth after their younger free-spirited days in the 70's. Society was now more career- and power-based than it had been for years. And, like every aspect of society, there were those who were disenfranchised by the corporations. They decided to show their defiance by mimicking the beatniks at first (wearing a lot of black, now with fingernails and eye-liner) but then starting to target christianity with the aid of demonic symbols and the Wiccan religion (not to say that the Wiccan religion is a bunch of crock, just that not everyone in it is there because they really believed it). The gothic subculture, however, did actually form its own shared philosophical idea (hooray!). The reason many gothic people (myself included) brooded over death, tragedy, and the possibility that there was no afterlife was not just because of depression (so no prozac jokes, for the love of god) but also to embrace that which others turned a blind eye to. Gothic kids were often seen hanging out in graveyards, as it reminded them of the brevity of life and inevitability of death. They actually believed that the dream society spouted was not happiness, but that happiness was to be had now before we die. Goth began to fade out of the limelight in the early 90's, but experienced a renewal in the late 90's and early new-millenium. However, it had changed a little. An amazing surge in the number of cases of diagnosed depression within the US (and mostly only in the US) had many youth latching onto this culture because, at first glance, they wore black to mourn during life (yeah, got that wrong, huh?). And, like all kids who take things at face value, they cared about their image (kinda counter-intuitive to be counter-culture, huh?) and so did not wear all black or dye their nails (actually, I mostly only wear black shirts and blue jeans, but that's more for comfort). Since many noticed the prevalence of music in the Gothic subculture (most subcultures are artistic in nature), they used music as an outlet for their emotional problems (whether or not they had any is still debated). That's the bad emo kids. The reason most people have only met these kids is because people who actually share philosophical views with the Gothic movement and have an appreciation for the older Gothic music (such as myself, I don't like the music but I respect it, much like jazz, do your thing) don't try to call attention to ourselves. Not that we think we're sneaky vampires or anything, but I figure that I don't need to wear a sandwich board that denounces God and calls up nothing but lumps of cells. And as for wealth's impact on cultures, have you ever walked into Hot Topic? When I played in a band whose singer was impoverished, I met many Gothic people who wore old flannel and paint-stained jeans. Only middle class kids (not even most of the time) can afford the "Gothic fashions."
Tek 09-13-05, 05:45 PM	I think Emo girls are good looking!
Malniemel 09-13-05, 06:20 PM	emo girls can be good looking, but there is usually a reason why people won't date them and their lives suck....like the have siphilis REEK REEK!...j/k. I find nothign wrong in a society where people are able to express themselves in the manner they present themselves. In this case clothing and makeup. Personally i'm...er...weird..? Emo has been beat to death mainly because Dashboard Confessional brought it to the masses then you had many o' starry eyed posers going around. What makes me mad is not some one whom dresses that way. What makes me mad is people whom take their little problems, amplify them, and then use that as an excuse so that they are able jump into the "look". Same has happened with the "my chemical romance" obsession in my small ass school. most of the girls are bored out of their mind, switching from the brainwashed pile of wet cardboard into the "my life sucks" MCR groupy. I would not be upset if they had a real reason that their life sucked. Such as beatings, an extreme form of psychoctic disorders (i have plenty myself, but i'm fully functional), or those whom always talk about suicide but don't have the guts to do it. I personally believe suicide is the cowards way out (only after three attempts, rope broke when i was hanging myself, survived a 16' dive off a cliff onto bedrock, and stabbed myself with a steak knife...but those are all stories with backgrounds). I am not saying that these people are posers nor are they in need of a severe beating...well most of them...but that they need to find their own way to express themselves. To many people reach for the stereotypical "i just broke up with my mate...hurm...lets display my angst to the world". They shouldn't go with what the mainstream punk (or man subcultures) want, but what punk was started on in the first place....goin' against the norm and doin' your own thing. Instead of buying something at hot topic because your trying to fit in, reach for a notepad and write down your feelings, and a way you feel would be enough to express that, along with it being completely original. I don't care how i look, and i have about 3 band teeshirts, a batman tee-shirt and 3 pairs of jeans...that's my wardrobe...and i'm stickin' with it... I am not a person that judges people on appearance, thus i don't display any fashion stereotype with the exception of most of my stuff being black. I display it by actions and what i think. If you feel that course fits you too, so be it, but do it in a different manner then i am.
Hair Wax 09-13-05, 08:17 PM	I was going to reply to this properly but as I began to the perfect ratio of bleached hair to black in my side parting slipped so I had to go sort it out and cry a bit. I also refuse to take part in serious discussions unless I'm wearing my studded belt. Could America please take it's scenester fashion back please, it's becoming overwhelming over here. Perfect Example For You (http://nothingnice.com/index.php?pageNum_Recordset2=286&totalRows_Recordset2=292) I like emo personally. It's just that emo isn't what these people with dyed black £60 Toni&Guy haircuts think it is. I was actually crying with laughter at that blog excerpt, it was perfect.
Vharuck 09-13-05, 08:39 PM	*Snipped for Space* :clap: Personally, I find goth girls hotter. I don't know why, but bondage straps, facial piercings, black eyeshadow, black lipstick, and just the fashion is sooooo..... um *ahem*. Excuse me. Yes, if it didn't come across, the emo wave really did come from punk and hardcore mixing fashion-wise but... well... true "emo" is crap. Many bands called "emo" I label as punk. If all your songs are about how life sucks, you're pop-emo. If a few are but there are also songs about other topics, probably punk. Pop-Emo seems to be a way to make catchy hooks and lyrics anyone who's lived for 14 years could relate to seem cool. Yeah... so... Mourningwearers, huh? Didn't notice that. But, it coud be used as a good comic relief. *NOTE I FEEL IS NECESSARY: Even if you don't personally know anyone like this, it's always better to know these types of things. If you know of somebody who cuts themselves and you believe they're actually doing it for attention, chances are THAT'S TRUE. This is a huge sign of something called Borderline Personality Disorder. Please seek medical help for this person. A medical doctor should examine and make referrals as he/she sees fit. Most people with Borderline Personality Disorder cut themselves only to gain attention, BUT MANY HAVE ACCIDENTLY COMMITTED SUICIDE IN THE PROCESS.* Thank you for your time and sorry about the PSA.
Majorafire77 09-13-05, 08:45 PM	I think Emo girls are good looking! Yeah, but I could do without the cuts on their arms... :P
FrznFury 09-13-05, 09:30 PM	Aw damn, and I thought I'd get some plot hooks for my Eberron game... ...you know... I could've sworn that sign said Eberron...
Darkest90 09-13-05, 10:01 PM	Emo kids... Those guys REALLY get on my nerves. Bunch of touchy-feely sorta-gothics that just listen to screaming all day and cry. What a life you got there pal. Man, I hate Emo kids... :mad:
KeTHOR 09-13-05, 11:16 PM	Wow never thought i would see an emo rant on the eberron boards. That made my day.
Brastan 09-14-05, 12:03 AM	Aw damn, and I thought I'd get some plot hooks for my Eberron game... ...you know... I could've sworn that sign said Eberron... Come on mon this is grade 'A' primary source material, a real plot hook goldmine. :D Although in all honesty this discussion is starting to list a bit. hum:thinks:push Since we're on the topic of counter-culture and thinking different. Has Eberron been living up to that promise? Have the games we run and play in been any different (aside for cosmetic alterations) than standard D&D? I'm not saying that Eberron is counter-D&D but it did try to break way from some of the stereotypes. Now if you all will excuse me I'm going to go and revive(or start if there wasn't one) the Neanderthal fad. With the hairy countenance I already have it shouldn't be hard. All I need is a loin cloth; spear; the reintroduction of lions, tigers and elephants to the American plains; and I'll be set. -In jest(expect that last part about the lions and tigers (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4160560.stm) ) Brastan
Mr. Wilson 09-14-05, 12:36 AM	This thread is so reported. Must make some of the board members feel mighty proud of themselves to denounce everyone different from themselves.
Beleriphon 09-14-05, 12:59 AM	This thread is so reported. Must make some of the board members feel mighty proud of themselves to denounce everyone different from themselves. What did, they offend your sensibilities? That somebody asked a serious question, posters did the best they could to answer. I'll give that it was done in a non-too atypically irreverant manner. As for the whole emo kid thing, well by and large that particular "subculture" is composed of teens who think they have a hideously unfair life, while actually being rather affluent and wouldn't know an unfair life if it kicked them in the butt (note, I said usually). If anything I would have reported the thread for being so sidetracked that its not even close to being on topic any more. One might also want to take a good long look at the words irony and satire. Both concepts are used through out the thread with wild abandon.
PoeticJustice 09-14-05, 01:10 AM	This thread is so reported. Must make some of the board members feel mighty proud of themselves to denounce everyone different from themselves. How to be EMO (http://www.somethingdirectory.com/main_emo.htm) Spoilsport. I don't get the vibe that anyone is implying that anyone's beliefs are wrong or inferior, just kind of funny. Funny like sitting at a table for 5 hours and pretending you know how to pick a lock, cast a magic spell, or swing a sword with 4 other greasy, fat, stinky men. And how you actually look forward to it week after week. Now shut up and watch the movie.
Twiggly the Gnome 09-14-05, 02:12 AM	Aw damn, and I thought I'd get some plot hooks for my Eberron game... I was hoping this thread had something to do with Emo Phillips...
ORC_Tuhteth 09-14-05, 04:58 AM	Okay, it's a funny find, but the discussion of emo vs. goth and so forth is a bit off topic. :)