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Arithian 06-21-07, 03:47 PM	The purpose of this thread is just as its title denotes; an endeavor to flesh out the Fringe Nations of Khorvaire that we love the most. Since I have come to these boards I have noted a number of instances where material other than what WotC was publishing was desired. This is an effort to develop that desired material. I will provide below a survey. The purpose of this survey is to define the Fringe Nations that we would most like to see developed. Once this is accomplished I will take the top 3 choices and create threads to begin their Board Community Development. I want to encourage at this stage and the next ;( i.e. The Survey, and then the actual development) FULL COMMUNITY participation, this includes our beloved author Mr. Keith Baker. ;) The Survey : Please rate on a scale of 1 to 4 ;( 1 being the least, and 4 being the greatest) the part of Khorvaire that you would like the Board Community to develop. Also state what you would like to contribute to that particular fringe Nations development. The entry's are as follows. As you will note we are defining the Fringe Nations only. Darguun Droamm Eldeen Reaches Lhazzar Principalities Mror Holds Qbarra Shadow Marches Talenta Plains Thronehold (I know this is not (really) a Nation but I think it would still be cool to develop.) Valenar Zilargo Please be concise, to the point, and please stay on topic. This survey will be valid until 7/9/07 at which point I will tally the votes and create the threads for the Top 3 picks. Please use the list format above for your Survey submission and place your rating for that area one space to the right of the areas name. I will give further instructions on submission formats once the 3 picks are up and running. Following the completion of the initial 3, I will move to the next 3, so forth and so on until all of the above places have been fleshed out to one degree or another on the Boards. I will be looking for volunteers to compile the info submitted for a Wiki. If you are interested in helping compile and create the Wiki please say so in your survey submission. Let the Game Begin!
Revvecor 06-21-07, 04:04 PM	1. Darguun 3 2. Droamm 3 3. Eldeen Reaches 4 4. Lhazzar Principalities 4 5. Mror Holds 3 6. Qbarra 4 7. Shadow Marches 4 8. Talenta Plains 2 9. Thronehold 1 10. Valenar 1 11. Zilargo 2 (this thread (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=866476) has some information already)
Arithian 06-21-07, 08:16 PM	Darguun 2 Droamm 2 Eldeen Reaches 4 Lhazaar Principalities 4 Mror Holds 4 Qbarra 3 Shadow Marches 2 Talenta Plains 3 Thronehold 4 Valenar 2 Zilargo 4 I will contribute the time necessary to maintain this thread and the threads to come as a product of this threads survey as well as add creative ideas to each Fringe Nation Development as they come to me.
garner_adam 06-21-07, 08:29 PM	1. Darguun 1 2. Droaam 3 3. Eldeen Reaches 4 4. Shadow Marches 3 5. Talenta Plains 2 6. Thronehold 1 7. Zilargo 2 No love for Mror Holds, eh? :P
Arithian 06-21-07, 08:37 PM	No love for Mror Holds, eh? :P Sorry Garner :embarrass , when I put this thread up I didnt have my books with me, didnt mean to miss it. The Mror Holds have been added. If anyone is interested in the Mror Holds please edit your post at this time.:) PS: Actually the Mror Holds would be one of my top picks; as you can see in my survey. Thanks for catching that one.:)
From_Khyber 06-21-07, 09:47 PM	Darguun 2 (I'm very interested in this nation, make no mistake, but in my opinion, canon and these boards have granted it more than enough info.) Droaam 4 (I'd love to see this nation fleshed out, and definitely will be contributing with ideas and thoughts, should this one be among the winners.) Eldeen Reaches 1 (This nation has been granted more than enough love, but fundamentally, I just find this region unexciting and boring.) Lhazaar Principalities 2 (Not really that interested in the Principalities, but I definitely think it has been given too little love.) Mror Holds 4 (Uuuh! Dwarves! Intrigue! Gief! - one of my favourite "fringe nations".) Q'barra 4 (Again, a nation that has been given very little text.) Shadow Marches 3 (Having read the Dragon Below Trilogy, I can't help but find the Marches interesting, and a closer look on this region would promise much fun, I'm sure.) Talenta Plains 1 (Just like the Eldeen Reaches, I find this nation pretty dull, and I don't think it has much more to offer than what we already know about it.) Thronehold/Throneport 2 (Well, the FoW gave a pretty elaborate description on this one, but sure, why not?) Valenar 2 (War-happy elves? Sure) Zilargo 1 (This nation is kinda in the process of being fleshed out, so a vote for this one, would just move the existing thread elsewhere e.i. I don't see any reason to vote for this one.)
TheSuzerain 06-22-07, 03:35 AM	Sorry Garner :embarrass , when I put this thread up I didnt have my books with me, didnt mean to miss it. The Mror Holds have been added. If anyone is interested in the Mror Holds please edit your post at this time.:) PS: Actually the Mror Holds would be one of my top picks; as you can see in my survey. Thanks for catching that one.:) Since we're speaking of no love... no love for Q'Barra? I guess that's what I get for intentionally setting my campaign in one of the more obscure areas! :)
TheSuzerain 06-22-07, 03:41 AM	Oh, and to answer the question: Darguun 3 Droamm 3 Eldeen Reaches 2 Mror Holds 4 Shadow Marches 2 Talenta Plains 4 Thronehold 2 Zilargo 2
From_Khyber 06-22-07, 08:42 AM	Since we're speaking of no love... no love for Q'Barra? I guess that's what I get for intentionally setting my campaign in one of the more obscure areas! :) Valenar and the Lhazaar Principalities were excluded as well :confused:
Arithian 06-22-07, 11:51 AM	Since we're speaking of no love... no love for Q'Barra? I guess that's what I get for intentionally setting my campaign in one of the more obscure areas! :) Valenar and the Lhazaar Principalities were excluded as well :confused: Sorry Everyone :embarrass :weep: , when I put this thread up I didnt have my books with me, didnt mean to miss these. I was so exicited about this thread and getting it up that I missed a few. All of the above have been added. Please edit your post at this time.:) Thanks again Khyber.:)
CannibalSmith 06-22-07, 12:03 PM	A better survey format would've been that required us to arrange them in the order of preference. Darguun 3 Droamm 3 Eldeen Reaches 4 Lhazzar Principalities 3 Mror Holds 2 Qbarra 2 Shadow Marches 3 Talenta Plains 2 Thronehold 1 Valenar 2 Zilargo 2
Rechan 06-22-07, 12:24 PM	Am I the only one who feels that Aerenal has not been used at all? Like, aside from speaking with the Undying Court, there's just no reason to go there?
CannibalSmith 06-22-07, 12:32 PM	To steal their deathlessness tech.
Syltorian 06-22-07, 12:57 PM	1. Darguun 4 2. Droamm 2 3. Eldeen Reaches 4 4. Lhazzar Principalities 2 5. Mror Holds 1 6. Qbarra 1 7. Shadow Marches 2 8. Talenta Plains 3 9. Thronehold 2 10. Valenar 4 11. Zilargo 2
Revvecor 06-22-07, 10:40 PM	Am I the only one who feels that Aerenal has not been used at all? Like, aside from speaking with the Undying Court, there's just no reason to go there? I have felt the same, to the point where any interactions that the group I am playing with would only see they areas needed to run an encounter similar to the one in the explorers handbook. Although I have not had a chance to run it yet, I have been hoping for a thread to start so I could gain some idea of other peoples concepts of the island Aerenal. (pardon the rambling)
From_Khyber 06-23-07, 07:29 AM	Thanks again Khyber.:) No problem, mate. My list has been updated.
Arithian 06-23-07, 10:44 PM	I would love to have more participation, everyone will get the benefit of these Board Community write-ups. Cast your votes! Who knows WotC might even actually look at this and get an idea of what we want to see next.:D This is just a post to generate some more activity, please stay on the topic of the Thread.
retillin 06-24-07, 01:04 PM	1. Darguun 4 2. Droamm 4 3. Eldeen Reaches 1 4. Lhazaar Principalities 2 5. Mror Holds 2 6. Qbarra 3 7. Shadow Marches 3 8. Talenta Plains 1 9. Thronehold 1 10. Valenar 2 11. Zilargo 1 I just love the monster races. I love how they are not just wandering tribes to kill. But I'm sure in the follow up to 5 Nations they will be fleshed out more. Wouldnt surprise me if it is split into two books tho. 1 for the eastern half and one for the western.
Kaodi 06-24-07, 03:58 PM	Part of the problem with the Talenta Plains is that there are not enough statted dinosaurs, especially large or smaller dinosaurs, to make up a really interesting ecology. That being said, I think for now, my vote is for the Talenta Plains. I suppose I might change my mind though, and then change it again after that, and again after that.
Revvecor 06-24-07, 07:50 PM	No problem, mate. My list has been updated. you forgot Qbarra ;)
From_Khyber 06-24-07, 08:06 PM	you forgot Qbarra ;) Oh, thank you very much for pointing that out!
GreatRex 06-26-07, 12:08 AM	Darguun 2 Droamm 2 Eldeen Reaches 2 Lhazzar Principalities 3 Mror Holds 3 Qbarra 4 Shadow Marches 2 Talenta Plains 1 Thronehold 3 Valenar 4 Zilargo 1
Rechan 06-26-07, 03:51 AM	Aerenal 4 Draguun 2 Droaam 4 Demon Wastes 4 Eldeen Reaches 1 Lhazaar Principalities 3 Mror Holds 2 Q'Barra 4 Shadow Marches 3 Talenta Planes 1 Thronehold 1 Valenar 2 Zilargo 1
Kensan_Oni 06-26-07, 04:12 AM	1. Darguun 2 2. Droamm 3 3. Eldeen Reaches 1 4. Lhazzar Principalities 3 5. Mror Holds 4 6. Qbarra 4 7. Shadow Marches 2 8. Talenta Plains 1 9. Thronehold 1 10. Valenar 2 11. Zilargo 3
Alaya_of_Stormhome 06-26-07, 11:02 AM	My vote is straight up Lhazaar Principalities, personally.
Njord 06-26-07, 02:39 PM	Darguun 2 Droamm 4 Eldeen Reaches 3 Lhazzar Principalities 4 Mror Holds 4 Qbarra 1 Shadow Marches 2 Talenta Plains 4 Thronehold 1 Valenar 4 Zilargo 1 I would love to help once this gets going
Nundahl 06-27-07, 08:50 AM	Am I the only one who feels that Aerenal has not been used at all? Like, aside from speaking with the Undying Court, there's just no reason to go there? While I think that the Madwood had some pretty cool Aerenal specific bits and pieces, you're right that its largely not a tourist spot for adventurers. I'm sure the Elves like it that way though, you know, privacy is important. I'd pop over and read Keith's Dragonshards on the Elves of Aerenal, I found some very cool stuff in there. Aside from that its one of the oldest and most well structured governments in Eberron, maybe its just not a site of high adventure =/
Arithian 06-27-07, 01:17 PM	Dont forget to vote.:)
Nundahl 06-27-07, 04:44 PM	Fair enough. :) 1. Darguun 1 2. Droamm 1 3. Eldeen Reaches 4 4. Lhazzar Principalities 4 5. Mror Holds 3 6. Qbarra 4 7. Shadow Marches 2 8. Talenta Plains 2 9. Thronehold 3 10. Valenar 3 11. Zilargo 2
Ellorin 06-28-07, 06:14 AM	1. Darguun 3 2. Droaam 4 3. Eldeen Reaches 1 4. Lhazaar Principalities 4 5. Mror Holds 3 6. Q'barra 4 7. Shadow Marches 2 8. Talenta plains 1 9. Thronehold 1 10. Valenar 3 11. Zilargo 4
Arithian 06-29-07, 01:25 AM	Vote..Vote...Vote:D
Rekko 06-29-07, 03:34 PM	I guess a better thing to do is that we start up one thread per region and the interested people would contribute to them. We already have a No love for Goblins and Gnomes. So Darguun and Zilargo are already in the process of creation.
OgreBane99 06-29-07, 03:44 PM	Darguun 3. I would love to help flesh out the past portions of the Dhakaani nations to give a bit more history to the goblin nations Droamm 1. Bleh. Eldeen Reaches 1. Bleh. Lhazzar Principalities 4. Pirates? 'Nuff said. I think we could split up each "island" already not defined and flesh out each "principality." Mror Holds 2. Dwarves are lame. Qbarra 3. I would just like to see portions on the Lizardfolk of Eberron, especially the newer ones, blackscale and poisondusk. Shadow Marches 3. Fleshing out ancient ruins that date back to the Xoriat invasion by the daelkyr would be a lot of fun, as well as nailing down the various orc clans and druidic orders. Talenta Plains 3. Dinosaurs? 'Nuff said. Thronehold 1. This has already been done in the recent Forge of War supplement. Valenar 2. Seeing how the elven nation changed when it moved to Khorvaire from Aerenal could be fun. Zilargo 2. Gnomes? Bleh. I'd just like to see more info on the binding of elementals process.
DiscoGobbo 06-29-07, 03:59 PM	Darguun 3 Call me biased, but I love the Goblin Nation and could always go for more. However, it is less pressing than other nations. Droamm 3 By its nature as a true monster nation, Droamm needs more attention than it has gotten so far. Eldeen Reaches 2 I feel there's already a decent amount of info on the Eldeen Reaches in the current books. Plus it's an easy sort of area to flesh out on your own. Lhazzar Principalities 2 The Dragonshards really helped this area. Plus it's pirates. Do you really need help making up stuff about pirates? The answer is no. No you do not. Mror Holds 4 My number one choice. Lots of potential in many areas given the nature of Eberron dwarves. Qbarra 3 Large void of details here. We have the ECS entry, a bit in Explorer's and...that's all? Shadow Marches 4 Given the history of the area (Gatekeepers and such), and House Tharsk, it defiantly needs more fleshing out. Talenta Plains 1 Dinosaurs+Halflings, a combination of awesome. All you need to know. Thronehold 1 Small enough to be fleshed out by a DM on their own. Valenar 3 I'd like to think the Valenar are a bit more complicated than a bunch of warrior clans. Zilargo 1 The Trust believes we know enough already.
From_Khyber 06-29-07, 04:15 PM	I guess a better thing to do is that we start up one thread per region and the interested people would contribute to them. We already have a No love for Goblins and Gnomes. So Darguun and Zilargo are already in the process of creation. I was thinking the same, actually. In this way, we also satisfy everyone's needs.
Rekko 06-29-07, 09:42 PM	I was thinking the same, actually. In this way, we also satisfy everyone's needs. So, do we start up those threads? Do we call them "No love for the..." Or more simply "Fleshing out X nation" ?
Revvecor 06-29-07, 09:47 PM	So, do we start up those threads? Do we call them "No love for the..." Or more simply "Fleshing out X nation" ? I would say "Fleshing out X nation", because both of the "No love for the..." threads are focused on the race first then the nation. If the thread was entitled "Fleshing out X nation" then there could be a development of the country first and then fill in details on the inhabiting races.
Rekko 06-29-07, 09:56 PM	I agree. Naturally, such threads should be in the People and Places boards.
Revvecor 06-29-07, 10:49 PM	I just started a thread in "People and Places" entitled Fleshing out Q'Barra (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?p=12910752#post12910752)
Arithian 06-30-07, 01:55 AM	I would have liked to start the threads after the survey was complete.:) Also I think there would be a much larger response on the Eberron General Boards. Sure People and Places is where it should go, but it just simply doesnt get the quantity of traffic that Eberron General gets. But alas, this thread is all about filling out the survey and Please be concise, to the point, and please stay on topic. This survey will be valid until 7/9/07 at which point I will tally the votes and create the threads for the Top 3 picks. I am however grateful for your excitement to get started, just a bit premature I think.:) Please be patient.
Rekko 06-30-07, 08:34 AM	Eldeen Reaches, Mror Holds, Lhazaar Principalities Zilargo, Valenar, Demon Wastes Talenta Plains, Darguun Q'Barra, Shadow Marshes, Droaam Even though I run a more urban campaign, I would prefer seing the monster nations fleshed out first. I am quite eager to see these threads coming to life. I will contribute to them using what I know of the setting.
Arithian 06-30-07, 12:38 PM	Eldeen Reaches, Mror Holds, Lhazaar Principalities Zilargo, Valenar, Demon Wastes Talenta Plains, Darguun Q'Barra, Shadow Marshes, Droaam Even though I run a more urban campaign, I would prefer seing the monster nations fleshed out first. I am quite eager to see these threads coming to life. I will contribute to them using what I know of the setting. Thank you Rekko. I will look forward to your contributions.:)
Rekko 07-01-07, 12:02 AM	You're welcomed. Well, I've been reading alot lately, on multiple topics, so I am quite eager to developp other aspects of my campaign that won't necessary be seen by my players. It seems that I have missed the boat for the "No Love" threads, so I don't want to miss this one. I've been reading on Q'Barra (because of the thread) and writing notes on things I would like to see developp. Oh, and you are right about the Eberron General getting more people into it then Poeple and Places. However, I think we'd have a better development quality on the P&P. And since this thread is in the Eberron General section, poeple that reads it will know that the other threads will be on P&P, so the interested ones will fallow us over there ;) Rekko
Arithian 07-02-07, 12:55 AM	Only 7 days left...Cast your Votes.:D
Raana 07-02-07, 12:27 PM	1. Darguun 4 2. Droamm 1 3. Eldeen Reaches 1 4. Lhazzar Principalities 4 5. Mror Holds 1 6. Qbarra 3 7. Shadow Marches 1 8. Talenta Plains 4 9. Thronehold 1 10. Valenar 3 11. Zilargo 3
Arithian 07-04-07, 06:52 PM	5 Days left. Cast your votes!:)
Rekko 07-09-07, 12:31 PM	Reminder: Votes are closing today
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Arithian 07-09-07, 04:39 PM	Reminder: Votes are closing today Thanks Rekko, You are correct, votes will be closing today. If you are interested in this Threads subject matter please cast your votes. This Thread will remain open until 12:01 am EST at which time the WIZO has been asked to lock it. PLEASE PLACE ALL VOTES PRIOR TO 12:01 am EST All votes after 12:01 am EST will NOT be considered. I would like to extend my sincerest thanks to those of you who took the time to respond to this thread. My hope and desire is that it will produce a useful tool for all who desire it. Sincerely, Arithian
Rekko 07-17-07, 07:11 PM	Where's the fallow up?
Revvecor 07-18-07, 07:29 PM	Where's the fallow up? Yeah, will anything come from the survey? Is anyone up for working on the nations?
Arithian 07-20-07, 01:01 AM	Sorry everyone. There certainly will be something coming of this survey, I have just been swamped. I have had alot of work and other things going on that have pulled me away from the boards. One to the tune of planning my engagement to my beautiful girlfriend. I havent popped the question yet but it will be soon; God willing. Anyway thats where I have been. I will try and get all the votes tallied up within the week and then post the 3 winning threads, I will also try to get it done sooner than later. Please forgive me for my absence it has not been intentional.
Arithian 08-04-07, 11:35 PM	THE VOTES ARE IN!!!!!!! (I know, they have been for some time) :embarrass Sorry it took so long guys/gals. There have been things which I stated in my previous post that have kept me away. Again I apologize. The good news is that the pending engagement that I spoke about in my previous post is now quite the actuality. Again God willing I will propose to my girlfriend of nearly 4 years this weekend, 8/11/07. It will be done in a park with a Celtic theme. I am hiring a Celtic Folk Harpist to come and play chamber music type tunes for the setting. We will have lunch with our closest friends thereafter, and shortly after lunch we will join friends and family for a surprise party back at her place. As it is now, and I pray that it won’t change, she is clueless. So this time next week I will be an engaged man WHOA!!!!:w00t: :cheer: :clap: :dancin: :bounce: :cloud9: :ayyyy!: Anyway that being said here is how things came out. 1st Place: Lhazzar Principalities: 48 Droamm: 47 Qbarra: 47 2nd Place: Mror Holds: 46 Darguun: 44 Shadow Marches: 43 3rd Place: Eldeen Reaches: 40 Talenta Plains: 36 Valenar: 39 4th Place: Zilargo: 34 Thronehold: 27 I will now begin working on the Threads for the winning "Fringe Nation's" Lhazzar Principalities: 48 Droamm: 47 Qbarra: 47 Does anyone have any suggestions on the format for these threads? I would also be interested in how much info I can post on the boards from the source material without infringing on copyright. My goal is to give everyone a framework from which to work from. All ideas are welcomed.
Rekko 08-05-07, 12:16 AM	All my wishes for you and your future wife. As for the frame. I suggest to look out in the Five Nations book. You have a general format for the surviving four nations, the one for Cyre/Mourland being a bit modified, more fit to how to adventure and survive in the wasteland. I shall quote ECS: "CONSIDER THE IMPACT OF HISTORY" on what the nation of today are. Dhakaan ruins, Sarlonan colonist's ruins, Galifar ruins, etc. Eberron was all for breaking the stereotypes. The fringe nations got labelled. Lhazaar pirates, Talenta barbarians, Droaam chaotic hordes of monsters, etc. The Lhazaar Principalities are more than just pirates. Q'barra is more than half-fiend lizardfolks. Droaam is more than just monsters. There are groups and organization in this world that may have great influence in some regions. In example, I suppose Vol has her own in the Principalities. Spring from what the ECS said. Voilą Rekko
Revvecor 08-05-07, 09:29 AM	Sounds like a truly unique proposal:D :D I hope you both have loads of great times in the future. In terms of frame work: As Rekko said, there is more happening in the fringe nations then its stereotype. So you could have concepts as to towns, groups, creatures that people have already inserted into there game as the basis of each fringe nation. Developing a history of each land dating back to before the humans arrived or earlier. Given how old the cultures are and the empires they forged you could also have information on the interrelations between various different groups that normally would never be linked.