FR sourcebook illustrated in Eberron art? [Archive] - Wizards Community

FR sourcebook illustrated in Eberron art? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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DarkWhite
11-30-06, 09:41 PM Okay, I'd be surprised if this hasn't beeen discussed before, but it is the first time I've noticed it, and it quite surprised me!

I was flipping through my Eberron sourcebooks last night, and discovered that one of the illustrations featured the cover of a Forgotten Realms sourcebook!

Anyone have any background on how/why this happened? Was it intentional, accidental or a joke?

And a challenge for anyone else who hasn't seen this yet - guess which books I am referring to ...
Deekin
12-01-06, 01:08 AM Which one? And it probably was intentional. D&D art features stuff like Three-Dragon Ante, and other cross-promotional material
Nived
12-01-06, 01:18 AM Its in Sharn: City of Towers, and it's pretty clearly intentional in one of the pictures specifically
this one, you can see a FR book. (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/sharn_gallery/84581.jpg)

On the table is a copy of the Player's Guide to Faerun. It's hard to tell in that picture but in the book the picture is larger and you can make out the cover art... of course the book is bound backwards... but eh.
DarkWhite
12-01-06, 01:32 AM Yup, that's the one. It has to have been an "in-joke". I can't imagine it slipping into Sharn: City of Towers un-noticed?
Archangel62
12-01-06, 01:34 AM My own guess is that since Eberron is advanced enough for leisure this sort of thing is being used to train young children to be adventurers...y'know this might explain some of the metagame terms that float around more easily.
Deekin
12-01-06, 01:43 AM Now I want to have my players encounter some people playing an FR game.
miscellany
12-01-06, 02:13 AM FYI all this just goes to show one can get to der Realms from Blue Eberrondo à la Turk and vice versa.

Or at least from my house to Eberron and back again, cause that’s my copy of the PGtF in teh artwork.

;)

Thank you Dave Brubeck (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Brubeck) for all that jazz.
nullstate
12-01-06, 02:21 AM Thank you Dave Brubeck (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Brubeck) for all that jazz.

Wow... it's sad that I knew exactly what you were referencing there.
miscellany
12-01-06, 03:07 AM Wow... it's sad that I knew exactly what you were referencing there.Not sad at all!

In fact you are now officially cool! You may wear these :cool: as a sign of your coolness.

Show them on any thread you want to remind others that you <like I> are in an exalted state (and suffer no penalties for it!).

Now everyone Take Five before jumping back into the tread.

Peace. :cool:
Euangelion
12-02-06, 12:18 PM There's that, and there's a picture of Jesus in one of the sourcebooks as well (if not Jesus, then some other dude hanging on a cross)!
Archangel62
12-02-06, 02:26 PM There's that, and there's a picture of Jesus in one of the sourcebooks as well (if not Jesus, then some other dude hanging on a cross)!

where?
Joni-san
12-02-06, 04:55 PM Faiths of Eberron (http://wizards.com/dnd/images/foe_gallery/99920.jpg)
Archangel62
12-03-06, 05:50 AM Faiths of Eberron (http://wizards.com/dnd/images/foe_gallery/99920.jpg)

ah, I missed that one...wow.
Edymnion
12-03-06, 01:25 PM Anyone have any background on how/why this happened? Was it intentional, accidental or a joke?Of course it was intentional, you don't just accidentally draw a detailed copy of another piece of artwork. :P

But yeah, it was noticed pretty much the day the book came out. As for the joke, look at the caption for that picture. See where it mentions a traitor? Well, what do you think they were doing that made them traitors? Playing in Faerun, thats what! :DFaiths of Eberron (http://wizards.com/dnd/images/foe_gallery/99920.jpg)I don't see it. Yes, there is a cross like shape depicted in the book, but that shape is exceedingly common (its just two crossed lines), with variations on it appearing in every culture in the world long before it became a christian symbol. Heck, even your common longsword looks like a cross if you stand it up on it's blade.

Combine that with the fact that, to me, it doesn't look like there is anybody hanging on it, just that its a generic symbol, and I think you're reading too much into it.
superdeadsmurf
12-03-06, 04:35 PM Combine that with the fact that, to me, it doesn't look like there is anybody hanging on it, just that its a generic symbol, and I think you're reading too much into it.

It may look like a person at normal resolution, but when you zoom it looks a lot more like raised bits of the cross shape, noyl vaguely person-like.
Edymnion
12-05-06, 01:45 PM I take it back, I took a close look at it in the actual book, and there is definately a figure there. And while the shape is not technically a cross (its more like a terraced arrowhead shape), the similarities are definately there.
goblin_pride
12-05-06, 01:56 PM I take it back, I took a close look at it in the actual book, and there is definately a figure there. And while the shape is not technically a cross (its more like a terraced arrowhead shape), the similarities are definately there.

A terraced arrowhead? Could that possibly be a figure on a stylized flame motif? A further allusion to the silver flame and another real-world religion in the artist's impression?
Edymnion
12-05-06, 02:04 PM A terraced arrowhead? Could that possibly be a figure on a stylized flame motif? A further allusion to the silver flame and another real-world religion in the artist's impression?Thats equally possible. The figure appears male, but one could make the case that its a stylized representation of Tira Miron inside of the Flame, and not a stylized Christ on the Cross.
Bluebrush
12-05-06, 03:19 PM Also, crucifixion existed as a means of excecution long before it's most famous victim.
goblin_pride
12-06-06, 09:47 AM Also, crucifixion existed as a means of excecution long before it's most famous victim.

You mean they crucified people before Spartacus?
Bluebrush
12-06-06, 01:05 PM Yep. Even before the time of Graham Chapman.
goblin_pride
12-06-06, 01:26 PM Yep. Even before the time of Graham Chapman.

Two quid says half the people that post on these boards don't know who that is.
Euangelion
12-06-06, 01:49 PM Two quid says half the people that post on these boards don't know who that is.

Well, personally I always try to look on the bright side of life, but that's just me.
I'd also say that you may be seriously underestimating the "geek" factor of those who regularly post on these boards. For example, take Weird Al and his "White and Nerdy" song parody, which in my opinion adroitly includes both D&D and knowing all the lines of a certain British comedy movie, and probably describes to a certain extent the vast majority of those who regularly post here (at least the American ones, and probably many others from across the globe.) Thus the indentity of Mr. Chapman is probably just the kind of bit of knowledge such people would know!
Cryforge
12-08-06, 09:42 PM Two quid says half the people that post on these boards don't know who that is.
I'll take the bet. Plenty of people around here know who Chapman is.

And if they don't, they must be punished.

Severely.

In the face.

Anyways, the PGtF is not the only reference to other products. The cover of Dragonmarked has some guys playing chess with the Limited Edition D&D Chess Set.
Link (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/iw/20061012a) (Scroll down to the pic of the cover.)
ChaoticGood
12-09-06, 12:02 AM I got the "Take Five" reference AND the Graham Chapman reference... but I'm not bragging or anything... :P
GEEKAZOID
12-17-06, 08:55 PM Well, personally I always try to look on the bright side of life, Tweet toot...Tweet toot-Tweet toot-Tweet toot

Who is Mr. Chapman:thinks:
goblin_pride
12-18-06, 06:29 PM Who is Mr. Chapman:thinks:

Oh, Cryforge, I think you have a voluteer.
WerTwist
12-19-06, 05:03 AM There is quite some art in D&D books that's extremely funny.
Like this! (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/ss_gallery/49130.jpg)

Since it's quite hard to read on the screenshot: The title of the book the incubus is holding is "How to pick up girls"
Euangelion
12-19-06, 11:09 AM Tweet toot...Tweet toot-Tweet toot-Tweet toot

Who is Mr. Chapman:thinks:

Try looking on some sort of internet movie database (http://www.imdb.com) for some insight.
goblin_pride
12-19-06, 04:23 PM Try looking on some sort of internet movie database (http://www.imdb.com) for some insight.

NO, NO, NO, Punished. Severely. In the face.
Euangelion
12-20-06, 01:17 AM Sure, but that still doesn't reveal who Mr. Chapman is, unless of course you punish him with a herring or a dead parrot.
Blackheart
12-21-06, 07:53 PM The parrot isn't dead, 'e's resting. Remarkable bird, innit, aye?

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
DarkWhite 11-30-06, 09:41 PM	Okay, I'd be surprised if this hasn't beeen discussed before, but it is the first time I've noticed it, and it quite surprised me! I was flipping through my Eberron sourcebooks last night, and discovered that one of the illustrations featured the cover of a Forgotten Realms sourcebook! Anyone have any background on how/why this happened? Was it intentional, accidental or a joke? And a challenge for anyone else who hasn't seen this yet - guess which books I am referring to ...
Deekin 12-01-06, 01:08 AM	Which one? And it probably was intentional. D&D art features stuff like Three-Dragon Ante, and other cross-promotional material
Nived 12-01-06, 01:18 AM	Its in Sharn: City of Towers, and it's pretty clearly intentional in one of the pictures specifically this one, you can see a FR book. (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/sharn_gallery/84581.jpg) On the table is a copy of the Player's Guide to Faerun. It's hard to tell in that picture but in the book the picture is larger and you can make out the cover art... of course the book is bound backwards... but eh.
DarkWhite 12-01-06, 01:32 AM	Yup, that's the one. It has to have been an "in-joke". I can't imagine it slipping into Sharn: City of Towers un-noticed?
Archangel62 12-01-06, 01:34 AM	My own guess is that since Eberron is advanced enough for leisure this sort of thing is being used to train young children to be adventurers...y'know this might explain some of the metagame terms that float around more easily.
Deekin 12-01-06, 01:43 AM	Now I want to have my players encounter some people playing an FR game.
miscellany 12-01-06, 02:13 AM	FYI all this just goes to show one can get to der Realms from Blue Eberrondo à la Turk and vice versa. Or at least from my house to Eberron and back again, cause that’s my copy of the PGtF in teh artwork. ;) Thank you Dave Brubeck (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Brubeck) for all that jazz.
nullstate 12-01-06, 02:21 AM	Thank you Dave Brubeck (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Brubeck) for all that jazz. Wow... it's sad that I knew exactly what you were referencing there.
miscellany 12-01-06, 03:07 AM	Wow... it's sad that I knew exactly what you were referencing there.Not sad at all! In fact you are now officially cool! You may wear these :cool: as a sign of your coolness. Show them on any thread you want to remind others that you <like I> are in an exalted state (and suffer no penalties for it!). Now everyone Take Five before jumping back into the tread. Peace. :cool:
Euangelion 12-02-06, 12:18 PM	There's that, and there's a picture of Jesus in one of the sourcebooks as well (if not Jesus, then some other dude hanging on a cross)!
Archangel62 12-02-06, 02:26 PM	There's that, and there's a picture of Jesus in one of the sourcebooks as well (if not Jesus, then some other dude hanging on a cross)! where?
Joni-san 12-02-06, 04:55 PM	Faiths of Eberron (http://wizards.com/dnd/images/foe_gallery/99920.jpg)
Archangel62 12-03-06, 05:50 AM	Faiths of Eberron (http://wizards.com/dnd/images/foe_gallery/99920.jpg) ah, I missed that one...wow.
Edymnion 12-03-06, 01:25 PM	Anyone have any background on how/why this happened? Was it intentional, accidental or a joke?Of course it was intentional, you don't just accidentally draw a detailed copy of another piece of artwork. :P But yeah, it was noticed pretty much the day the book came out. As for the joke, look at the caption for that picture. See where it mentions a traitor? Well, what do you think they were doing that made them traitors? Playing in Faerun, thats what! :DFaiths of Eberron (http://wizards.com/dnd/images/foe_gallery/99920.jpg)I don't see it. Yes, there is a cross like shape depicted in the book, but that shape is exceedingly common (its just two crossed lines), with variations on it appearing in every culture in the world long before it became a christian symbol. Heck, even your common longsword looks like a cross if you stand it up on it's blade. Combine that with the fact that, to me, it doesn't look like there is anybody hanging on it, just that its a generic symbol, and I think you're reading too much into it.
superdeadsmurf 12-03-06, 04:35 PM	Combine that with the fact that, to me, it doesn't look like there is anybody hanging on it, just that its a generic symbol, and I think you're reading too much into it. It may look like a person at normal resolution, but when you zoom it looks a lot more like raised bits of the cross shape, noyl vaguely person-like.
Edymnion 12-05-06, 01:45 PM	I take it back, I took a close look at it in the actual book, and there is definately a figure there. And while the shape is not technically a cross (its more like a terraced arrowhead shape), the similarities are definately there.
goblin_pride 12-05-06, 01:56 PM	I take it back, I took a close look at it in the actual book, and there is definately a figure there. And while the shape is not technically a cross (its more like a terraced arrowhead shape), the similarities are definately there. A terraced arrowhead? Could that possibly be a figure on a stylized flame motif? A further allusion to the silver flame and another real-world religion in the artist's impression?
Edymnion 12-05-06, 02:04 PM	A terraced arrowhead? Could that possibly be a figure on a stylized flame motif? A further allusion to the silver flame and another real-world religion in the artist's impression?Thats equally possible. The figure appears male, but one could make the case that its a stylized representation of Tira Miron inside of the Flame, and not a stylized Christ on the Cross.
Bluebrush 12-05-06, 03:19 PM	Also, crucifixion existed as a means of excecution long before it's most famous victim.
goblin_pride 12-06-06, 09:47 AM	Also, crucifixion existed as a means of excecution long before it's most famous victim. You mean they crucified people before Spartacus?
Bluebrush 12-06-06, 01:05 PM	Yep. Even before the time of Graham Chapman.
goblin_pride 12-06-06, 01:26 PM	Yep. Even before the time of Graham Chapman. Two quid says half the people that post on these boards don't know who that is.
Euangelion 12-06-06, 01:49 PM	Two quid says half the people that post on these boards don't know who that is. Well, personally I always try to look on the bright side of life, but that's just me. I'd also say that you may be seriously underestimating the "geek" factor of those who regularly post on these boards. For example, take Weird Al and his "White and Nerdy" song parody, which in my opinion adroitly includes both D&D and knowing all the lines of a certain British comedy movie, and probably describes to a certain extent the vast majority of those who regularly post here (at least the American ones, and probably many others from across the globe.) Thus the indentity of Mr. Chapman is probably just the kind of bit of knowledge such people would know!
Cryforge 12-08-06, 09:42 PM	Two quid says half the people that post on these boards don't know who that is. I'll take the bet. Plenty of people around here know who Chapman is. And if they don't, they must be punished. Severely. In the face. Anyways, the PGtF is not the only reference to other products. The cover of Dragonmarked has some guys playing chess with the Limited Edition D&D Chess Set. Link (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/iw/20061012a) (Scroll down to the pic of the cover.)
ChaoticGood 12-09-06, 12:02 AM	I got the "Take Five" reference AND the Graham Chapman reference... but I'm not bragging or anything... :P
GEEKAZOID 12-17-06, 08:55 PM	Well, personally I always try to look on the bright side of life, Tweet toot...Tweet toot-Tweet toot-Tweet toot Who is Mr. Chapman:thinks:
goblin_pride 12-18-06, 06:29 PM	Who is Mr. Chapman:thinks: Oh, Cryforge, I think you have a voluteer.
WerTwist 12-19-06, 05:03 AM	There is quite some art in D&D books that's extremely funny. Like this! (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/ss_gallery/49130.jpg) Since it's quite hard to read on the screenshot: The title of the book the incubus is holding is "How to pick up girls"
Euangelion 12-19-06, 11:09 AM	Tweet toot...Tweet toot-Tweet toot-Tweet toot Who is Mr. Chapman:thinks: Try looking on some sort of internet movie database (http://www.imdb.com) for some insight.
goblin_pride 12-19-06, 04:23 PM	Try looking on some sort of internet movie database (http://www.imdb.com) for some insight. NO, NO, NO, Punished. Severely. In the face.
Euangelion 12-20-06, 01:17 AM	Sure, but that still doesn't reveal who Mr. Chapman is, unless of course you punish him with a herring or a dead parrot.
Blackheart 12-21-06, 07:53 PM	The parrot isn't dead, 'e's resting. Remarkable bird, innit, aye?