Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Altar_Boy 10-02-07, 07:15 PM	Firs things first. I love Eberron. It was my first D&D book. I plan to start my first D&D campaign in Eberron once 4ed comes out. However, we all know that Eberron was made to be fully compatible with 3rd Edition. A lot of its flavour is tied up with a system that's being replaced. A lot of Greyhawk and Faerun's flavour became harder to portray in-game when the rules changed for them. Fortunately, Eberron is more than just the rules. It's about the mood, the vibe, the difference from other settings.The biggest difference is, come next summer, it won't be the newest car on the lot. My question to all of you: if you're liking how 4ed is shaping up, what will you bring over into Eberron?
Label 10-03-07, 12:55 AM	meh, modified/new rules of combat won't change how my Eberron world works. If I can continue to sip bluevine and eat those karrnathi chesse-stuffed bread, it won't matter at all whatever rule edition i'm playing with.
(Psi)SeveredHead 10-03-07, 07:47 AM	I heard they're advancing Eberron by two years for 4e. Does anyone have a confirmation on this?
Vharuck 10-03-07, 10:17 AM	I heard they're advancing Eberron by two years for 4e. Does anyone have a confirmation on this? This is true. They're doing this because some of the changes 4th edition will make include entirely new in-game entities and things. Keith Baker defended the decision to advance the timeline by pointing out that, while the original plan was to not advance the timeline so as to allow DMs total freedom to do as they wished without worrying about whether new sourcebooks had material contrary to their personal timelines, it was a situation of choosing the lesser evil. In order to keep the constant timeline, the new entities and things in 4th edition would have to be explained as "having always been there," which the Eberron designers and Keith thought was a terrible and insulting cop-out. So, instead, Keith and the lead designers of Eberron advanced the timeline by two years to introduce the new aspects of 4th edition. Keith himself has assured us that they took utmost care in not canonizing massive events (unlike how Forgotten Realms advances the timeline), so don't even expect a drow raid on Stormreach to officially happen. The new events were tailored to have easily managed or little impact on the possible Eberron campaigns being run by players. From what I've heard, the beginning of the new storyline for Eberron is in the book Storm Dragon, which is written by James Wyatt (one of the lead designers of Eberron, a decent amount of the Eberron Campaign Sourcebook is his work). However, I can't be totally sure about this, since I haven't bought the book yet and so avoid any discussion about it.
The Ubbergeek 10-03-07, 11:06 AM	Sure, many things can happen in two years... But two years is a minor, insignifiant part of a world's history in historical, geological scale.
Nived 10-03-07, 12:49 PM	Compared to them blowing up the Realms, yeah 2 years is minor.
Garden_State_Gamer 10-03-07, 01:04 PM	Compared to them blowing up the Realms "Would you miss it?" (looks around) "Would you miss it?" -President, Austin Powers 2
DragoonDarkfire 10-03-07, 01:13 PM	Compared to them blowing up the Realms, yeah 2 years is minor. Pardon my asking but what do you mean? Are they literally blowing up the realms or are they just entering another time of troubles kind of thing?
Count Nerindil Van Seraph 10-03-07, 01:21 PM	"Would you miss it?" (looks around) "Would you miss it?" -President, Austin Powers 2 :rofl: Eberron will always be Eberron. Rules will not affect that. I am optimistic about the two year push. If the last war started up again, that would be just dandy. Also, I am looking forward to a divided Breland when Boranel dies (this hasn't been confirmed, but, c'mon, there is so much potential for coolness there that WotC would be fools to let it slip).
Nived 10-04-07, 12:16 PM	Pardon my asking but what do you mean? Are they literally blowing up the realms or are they just entering another time of troubles kind of thing? I'm not sure, a buddy of mine passed me the Grand History of the Realms and told me to read the last paragraph. Seems Mystra left the weave went crazy the plane of existance tore itself apart and a few of the elder gods managed to keep existance from ending altogether but in so doing everything is now different. That sounds like blowing up the Realms to me.
Count Nerindil Van Seraph 10-04-07, 12:28 PM	I'm not sure, a buddy of mine passed me the Grand History of the Realms and told me to read the last paragraph. Seems Mystra left the weave went crazy the plane of existance tore itself apart and a few of the elder gods managed to keep existance from ending altogether but in so doing everything is now different. That sounds like blowing up the Realms to me. Wow. They literally blew them up (those maniacs). I thought people were speaking figuratively.
Shady314 10-05-07, 03:33 AM	This is true. They're doing this because some of the changes 4th edition will make include entirely new in-game entities and things. Keith Baker defended the decision to advance the timeline by pointing out that, while the original plan was to not advance the timeline so as to allow DMs total freedom to do as they wished without worrying about whether new sourcebooks had material contrary to their personal timelines, it was a situation of choosing the lesser evil. In order to keep the constant timeline, the new entities and things in 4th edition would have to be explained as "having always been there," which the Eberron designers and Keith thought was a terrible and insulting cop-out. So, instead, Keith and the lead designers of Eberron advanced the timeline by two years to introduce the new aspects of 4th edition. Keith himself has assured us that they took utmost care in not canonizing massive events (unlike how Forgotten Realms advances the timeline), so don't even expect a drow raid on Stormreach to officially happen. The new events were tailored to have easily managed or little impact on the possible Eberron campaigns being run by players. From what I've heard, the beginning of the new storyline for Eberron is in the book Storm Dragon, which is written by James Wyatt (one of the lead designers of Eberron, a decent amount of the Eberron Campaign Sourcebook is his work). However, I can't be totally sure about this, since I haven't bought the book yet and so avoid any discussion about it. Sorry but you are incorrect. Eberron will not be advancing! w00t! Don't worry we didn't learn till today.
Altar_Boy 10-05-07, 07:42 PM	*Pokes his head back in.* Okay. So the timeline will not advance. That's good. But what now? How will the new elements be woven in? I hope most posters realize the difficult decision Wyatt & Baker are in. Don't hem them in. We don't want a patchwork campaign. I'm sensing from the several posters that they're going to keep Eberron the way they've always played it. And that's cool. Why change when we don't know that much? But consider how a few aspects from 4ed can seamlessly be a part of Eberron. The new cosmology: The Elemental Tempest, home of elementals, demons, and Tharzidun, can be a part of the Progenitor Dragon Khyber, just like Eberron's Underdark. The Astral Plane can be the same for Siberys. The planetouched races: taking the above example further, the planetouched races are a part of the cosmic ballet. The fiends and celestials that birthed them had their own plans, but the planetouched are also parts of the Draconic Prophecy, the cosmic blood of Khyber and Siberys flowing through them. All the while, Eberron's blood (from the humanoid races) co-mingles with its brothers. Thoughts? :)
Romulus LoneWolf 10-06-07, 10:38 AM	Eberron's cosmology was already seperate from the standard D&D cosmology, so I doubt that will change.