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InfinityStar8 02-21-07, 12:04 AM	So, here are the ground rules; 1. It's a later night Cartoon, little more violance, blood and stuff. Not X however. 2. Needs to have at least 2 things wholy Eberron in it. 3. Race/Class of group. 4. What would they start off doing in said cartoon? I was thinking something like a small set like 5 charicters and have a 6th/7th come in for special missions. That way you can show off more race/class' and the local lore of an area. The 5 people in the group I think would be something like; 1. Warforged Sorcerer (N, undetermend male/female persinality) 2. Human Ranger (NG, Male, Warden of the Wood, Bow style) 3. Gnome Artificer (CG, Male, Least Mark of Scribing) 4. Elf Fighter (CN, Female, Bastard sword one-handed) 5. Changeling Cleric (LG, Female [Most of the time], Cleric of the Host) With this mix you can go almost anyplace and meet up with a Karn Boneknight, or a Half-Orc Barb of the Gatekeepers. I would really love to see a new D&D Cartoon basied in Eberron and open enough to just travel the world. What do you think?
DarkWarriorKarg 02-21-07, 12:44 AM	GI Breland: Sigma Twelve, with a secret 13th member giving the orders (a la Charlie's Angels) 3 Teams of 4 that rotate the mix depending on the mission requirements... I can come up with a mix later (it's late here...)
Sturm Jaeger 02-21-07, 01:06 AM	For a cartoon, which would be seen by non-gamers, I think you'd need to cleave a little closer to stereotypes. The warforged a fighter, the changling a rogue, etc.
Pallin Rahl 02-21-07, 01:54 PM	As long as there's a CG Human Warblade, veteran commander from the Last War, voiced by Patrick Warburton, I'm there... ...bah, you got me ...I'd be there anyway. ;)
InfinityStar8 02-21-07, 09:17 PM	As long as there's a CG Human Warblade, veteran commander from the Last War, voiced by Patrick Warburton, I'm there... ...bah, you got me ...I'd be there anyway. ;) Warblade? What is that?
Realmsrat 02-21-07, 09:27 PM	I'd like to see a gnome who is competent, clever, and not comedic relief.
ArcTan 02-21-07, 09:48 PM	Warblade? What is that? Check out Tome of Battle: Book of Nine Swords.
UnderworldLord 02-21-07, 09:53 PM	There has to be an extreme explorer, warmage, and bone knight in there somewhere.
cancerousmango 02-22-07, 01:12 AM	Whoever voiced Pan in Pan's Labyrinth, and don't say it was Doug Jones, the actor in the suit, as he learned the spanish lines for the role but Del Toro decided to dub over him later. Whoever that voice actor was, he gets to be a bad guy in this cartoon.
cancerousmango 02-22-07, 01:13 AM	I'd like to see a gnome who is competent, clever, and not comedic relief.I think we'll see a good D&D movie before we see that, which is to say that will never happen.
Sir Elton 02-22-07, 10:16 AM	They are doing a Dragonlance animated movie. From what I hear, it's going to be 10 thousand times better than that other one.
Moebius 02-22-07, 11:20 AM	I keep picturing an Eberron animation with anime- like Cowboy Bebop level of quality. Remember Record of Lodoss War?
Nuclear_Buddha 02-22-07, 12:23 PM	They are doing a Dragonlance animated movie. From what I hear, it's going to be 10 thousand times better than that other one. Really, now? In that case, here, I've got this bridge to sell you, cheap. Just sign on the dotted line... On the other hand, that's not such a far-fetched statement. 10,000 times 0 is still a pretty easy goal.
Moebius 02-22-07, 12:48 PM	Really, now? In that case, here, I've got this bridge to sell you, cheap. Just sign on the dotted line... On the other hand, that's not such a far-fetched statement. 10,000 times 0 is still a pretty easy goal. Dragonlance: Dragons of Autumn Twilight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonlance:_Dragons_of_Autumn_Twilight_ %28movie%29)
Nived 02-22-07, 01:26 PM	Yeah Keifer Sutherland (24), and Michael Rosenbaum (Smallville's Lex Luthor and JLU's The Flash) aren't given to doing crap. So I actually have hope for the Dragonlance movie. It actually has talent. But getting back on topic. I'd say.... use the iconic characters from the ECS class descriptions.
SilvercatMoonpaw 02-22-07, 01:36 PM	Ha! If there's any cartoon made about Eberron, it should star the Forgotten Freedom and it's crew. Believe me, it meets ALL your criteria.
Arcane Guyver 02-22-07, 01:48 PM	I'd say.... use the iconic characters from the ECS class descriptions. I agree with this sentiment completely.
Nuclear_Buddha 02-22-07, 04:18 PM	Keifer Sutherland (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0378230/) Michael Rosenbaum (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0146336/) Please pardon my skepticism. Neither of these guys are infallible. I'll believe this project to be worth the cels it's made of only when I see it. Anyway, I got over Dragonlance back in 9th grade. Edit: I just clicked that link Moebius supplied. Lucy Lawless is involved? :rolleye2:
Sturm Jaeger 02-22-07, 09:42 PM	Considering the Dragonlance movie is straight to DVD, I don't hold out high hopes.
cancerousmango 02-22-07, 11:18 PM	Seriously. The D&D movie sucked. They're all going to suck until someone like us makes one.
Arcane Guyver 02-23-07, 12:12 AM	Considering the Dragonlance movie is straight to DVD, I don't hold out high hopes. The optimistic side of me wants to shout out, "Yeah, but many of my favorite anime series were direct to video! FLCL was direct to video!" But then I realize we aren't talking about a Japanese production. The best OVA with US roots I can think of is the recent Iron Man, which was passable at best. :(
Vharuck 02-23-07, 05:02 PM	I liked the ECS iconic characters, too. Just to throw my two cents in here: 3 characters is the right number. In most things, the magic number is three (look for occurences in TV or movies, it's fun). Three characters is more than enough for dramatic interactions (for that Cowboy Bebop fan out there, Spike, Faye, and Jet were the three main characters with Ed being a secondary comic relief character). While it may seem cool to be "the radically different one," it's actually just as likely to be as lame as a walking stereotype. A gruff, burly dwarf bard strumming a miniature harp can be just as horrible and boring as a dwarf fighter with a battle axe. Racial and other generalizations are meant to be built upon; copying a character as its stereotypes is just as unimaginative as taking the mirror image of the stereotypes. Neither really shows character development, just laziness.
Macrovore 02-23-07, 06:06 PM	so, why not: a Warforged monk a halfling wizard a human Cleric of the Host stereotypes, but not especially overused.
Yakman 02-23-07, 06:09 PM	does anyone else remember the old Dungeons & Dragons cartoon? anyhow, the cast should be all stereotypes-- hulking warforged hot elf thief bumbling gnomish wizard human ranger dwarven fighter
Nuclear_Buddha 02-23-07, 06:18 PM	Why hasn't anyone mentioned a shifter character? It'd be sure to bring in the furry demographic. Well, supposing someone wanted to bring them in.
Tanvalis 02-23-07, 10:23 PM	I'd like to see a gnome who is competent, clever, and not comedic relief. Read Voyage of the Morning Dawn... Best Eberron Novel to date IMO... Gnome Airship Pilot, and the Talenta Halfling is AWESOME! Crazy but in a good way.
Euangelion 02-23-07, 10:50 PM	Oh, come on, people! You all know it should star a drow ranger, a warforged assassin from the future, an axe-wielding dwarf fighter, a bow-using wood elf, a halfling rogue with a ring of invisibility, a farmboy turned knight with a green +1 vorpal brilliant energy longsword, a trio of rapier-wielding swashbucklers who are members of the King's Citadel, and a changeling constable from a border military station. Yeah, that's a good start. I'm sure we could come up with others.
Alex_ 02-24-07, 02:56 AM	I keep picturing an Eberron animation with anime- like Cowboy Bebop level of quality. Remember Record of Lodoss War? I keep seeing it in Mike Mignola's style like The Amazing Screw On Head, or the Hellboy animated movie. Very comic book-ish like in the ECS's chapter intro art. Character-wise I'd go with Azm the Warforged Fighter, his Dwarven Artificer pal, and the Human Sorcerer who's a memeber of a Dragonmarked house. I'm tempted to add in a 4th. More likely a Halfling Druid to add a more spiritual character and give the smaller races some representation. For voice actors, it must have Mark Hammil (great villain) , John DiMaggio (always a hoot), and Phil LaMarr (amazing range) somewhere in there. For music, I'd turn to Bear McCreary (composer for Battlestar Galactica). I don't know if he'd compose music for a cartoon.
Nerdicus 02-24-07, 12:59 PM	In order to truely capture the Eberron feeling in this thing it would need to start with three seperate stories and groups. One in Sharn, one in....Aundair, and one in oh how about either Darguun or Droaam. Each story would be seemingly seperate from each other but as the series progressed it would come out that they are in fact some how connected. It would need to have each group focussed on a few key groups and intrigues of the setting. For instance, the Sharn group would focuss on some HOuse cannith stuff, a few run ins with the Dreaming Dark and then some sort of political plotline involving the Brelish crown. The group in Aundair would be more focussed on the political side of things surrounding Aundair and Thrane, include a cool conflict with the Emerald Claw and maybe even a little intrigue involving the dragon prophecy. THe third group would be about the Dhakaani goblinoids. This would fully be about showing how the goblinoids are not evil mindless monsters, but rather intelegent orginized race hellbent on bringing their ancient empire back into the glory that it once was. Each group shown in the show would use the best character/class combos that are suited for where they are situated and what they are about. But needless to say you would want to see each of the new races from the ECS. Also you would needt ohave at least one dragon marked members in one of the groups. The Dhakaani story line would include the hobgoblin bard(Durkalaa) a hobgoblin fighter(male) a bugbear or two and of course a goblin rogue or scout. I think it work best if at first it didn't really focus on the Dhakaani group, but rahter gave you short glimpses into their story line from time to time, but as the story of each group begins to give the watchers an idea of the big picture you would get more and more about the goblins. Maybe even every once in a while have an episode that focussed on the goblinoids and only touched on the other stories. I have been dreaming about this thing since I first got my copy of the ECS and have fully come to terms that it will never happen. And if it ever did, it could never live up to the show I have made in my head....
Hopeless 02-25-07, 08:48 AM	Have you seen Final Fantasy XII yet? And by that I don't mean played the game but watched the demo movies like those on You Tube? It got me thinking of starting a game set just before the end of the last war, the Karrns are invading a Cyran fortress, there's a desperate battle as a unit is sent to retrieve members of the royal family there however as the one unit goes in to extract them a betrayal in the ranks allows the enemy to get there first and meanwhile my introduction game involves a small unit having toa cquire an airship to facilitate the escape after their ship's pilot is killed forcing one of the pc's (a least dragonmarked membe rof House Orien but unaware of her legacy) is forced to pilot the airship (has Elemental Helmsman and is a sorceror) and take the ship in through the roof as a dramatic entrance. However all they can do is escort the dead bck home as one of the other unit is proclaimed the traitor even though there are suspicions otherwise... Then the scene shifts 2 or so years later as per ECS where the younger siblings of one of the slain fellow soldiers from that initial battle learn of the former pilots' link to their brother and one of them goes looking for the truth forcing the other two to try and rescue him as they are currently living in the city near that same fortress since she returned to look for them as a final promise to their dead older brother. So thats Human female Sorceror and dragonmarked member of House Orien living in disguise since she isn't aware of the truth about her past, The kid brother of a fellow soldier who is getting himself into trouble forcing her to intervene allowing her to be recognised and the Karrns think she's a spy... The kid sister looking out for her foolish brother and ends up on the run with the other two as thier guardian seeks help escaping the Karrns. Spare characters anyone? I was thinking a House Deneith former blademark turned cleric/artificier who was the reason she was present in that battle, revealing she was orphaned shortly before and recruited and kept in the dark about her dragonmark so they could use her talents in the resulting battle, another is a gnome Monk and a Thrane member of the Sacred Flame or whatever its called who has recognised the Orien as a member of Cyran royalty, a Brelish aristocratic noble who is more of rogue seeking his missing sister with Warforge as a bodyguard with the sister eventually becoming an antagonist becuause of the sorceress and the Blademark as she's a member of house Cannith jealous of how easily the Orien gets through society where she had to work her way there revealing she doesn't share her brother's good nature (I'm seeing Elan at work here!) Sorry for going on, would like to hear what you think or wht you'd rather see portrayed as an Eberron cartoon series... or live action maybe...
Macrovore 02-26-07, 12:28 AM	live action dnd=bad. i would stick with cartoon. I always thought eberron worked better as a cartoon anyways. special effects in live-action would be too annoying and/or expensive to use, and many of the characters ('forged, changelings, monsters) would have to be completely CGI anyways.
Nived 02-26-07, 12:39 AM	I believe that Firefly could be a good conceptual model for an ensamble cast that could work in an animated Eberron Cartoon.
Macrovore 02-26-07, 12:45 AM	yeah. but firefly didn't have nearly as many special effects that a fantasy show would require. firefly just had the ships. dnd has magic, monsters...and...more magic.
Arcane Guyver 02-26-07, 02:45 AM	snip Great idea. I actually attempted something similar with one of my earlier Eberron games, made the group play two different parties (switching the focus on a roughly bi-weekly basis), and it worked pretty well. For the animated version, the three groups shouldn't be too big...three party members apiece, max. That way, when they inevitably team up to face off against 'the big bad,' you won't have 12-18 characters to keep track of. Also, one group has a legit dragonmark, another secretly has an aberrant, just for kicks. :D And the Darguun team...it might be best if only one of them is a goblinoid, who is secretly affiliated with the Old Empire...the rest of the team (a shifter and a human, maybe?) thinks he's just an adventurer like them. Little things to bring inter-party strife, a defining attribute to most TV shows focused on a team.
Moebius 02-26-07, 11:37 AM	I believe that Firefly could be a good conceptual model for an ensamble cast that could work in an animated Eberron Cartoon. there was a thread about this (for a game rather than a show). check it out here (http://boards1.wizards.com/forumdisplay.php?f=503&page=2&order=desc)
okaynowa 02-26-07, 01:05 PM	How Would You Cast An Eberron Cartoon? With Cree Summer in the lead female role. Seriously, I think it's in the FCC by-laws somewhere for animation production in the States. Her, and Christine Cavanaugh.
Nived 02-26-07, 01:38 PM	Rather than trying to animate a campaign. I.E. four PCs in a well balanced party going for some overreaching continuity heavy plot to save the world.... I believe that an Eberron show would be better served by an episodic nature with a larger ensamble cast. Connecting them to the Wayfinders would be ideal. In this way they're explorers, and that's what they do, explore. Without the bounds of a higher continuity driven save the world plot the main characters of such a show could be plumping the depths of a Dhakaani ruin one week, be deep in the jungles of Xen'drik the next, and don't miss next week when they'll be in Frostfell... for whatever reason. This is what I ment by my Firefly referance. Within that show they jumped around from world to world, heck from genre to genre, focusing on character development and so on without worrying about an overreaching plot. You could miss a few episodes and still be able to sit down and enjoy the one that you happen to catch. This is in contrast to a continuity heavy program like Battlestar Galactica... where if you miss a few episodes you have a hard time picking up the plotline. I don't feel a D&D show would be well served by such a set up and I'll tell you why. A sword and sorcery animated series would have a hard time finding its audience. We'd watch, sure, but it would need a larger audience. The episodic model would allow someone to catch an episode of the series half way into the season and be able to follow and enjoy it, and will want to watch it again, while the continuity model will have soemone catching the show for the first time halfway through the season have no idea what is going on and have no real desire to find out.
InfinityStar8 02-26-07, 03:11 PM	Part of me thinks thinks J. Michael Straczynski should write the show. He was the creator of Babylon 5 and a staff writer for He-Man: The Masters of the Universe. I think he has a way of writing huge epic story arks with each episode also being highly detailed and self-contained. Also his style is incredible and he know how to have a large cast of charicters without weighing the overall show down. Again I think an 8pm or later show time would be good, not really for little kids, but not showing ultra sex and violance. Also the writing for Gargoyles the animated searies was great. The art from that show is close to what I would like to see, but not quite. Just my thoughts.
Arcane Guyver 02-26-07, 07:51 PM	Now, now - just a theoretical Eberron show is fantasy enough, we don't need to bring in one of the best sci-fi/comic authors into it. Ruins the verisimilitude. :P Too bad he's dropping out of Fantastic Four. :weep: At least we'll have the next three issues of Ultimate Power to look forward to!
Joni-san 02-27-07, 04:47 PM	If we couldn't get J. Michael Straczynski we should try getting Michael Dante DiMartino and Bryan Konietzko. They are also good at creating great characters and storylines. Besides, with their experience in writing Rockloli, they are certaintly qualified in writing Lolipope.
Hopeless 02-27-07, 06:04 PM	So we've gone from potential storyline to who could direct it and not forgetting earlier comments on who would so the voices... So far we've got a series based around three difference perspectives which will eventually cross at some point. Interesting perhaps it will then develop that one from each group will join up for some reason and this will end in a season climax where they stick together to deal with some menace they have discovered... For example initially the goblin seeking to reclaim the glories of his peoples past will seem the bad guy, however the Aundair setting will eventually reveal they're a heck of a lot more evil revealing that the Sharn group will cross paths with the Aundair group and are subsequntly betrayed perhaps by the revelation that one of them is a member of the Order of the Emerald Claw, the source of their info on potential artefact sites and that the items they have been claiming have actually been going to an enemy... The goblin seeking to free his comrades after being left behind in the hands of the Sharn group one of whom has also been taken have captured one of the Aundair and want a trade but the villain has his erstwhile comrade killed right in front of them and blames them for the crime after all they're allied with a Goblin who'd believe them otherwise? Seeking outside help introduces a few new characters and eventually the goblin succeeds in breaking out his comrades and the Sharn group decides to head home but one remains behind to help clear his name and the goblin goes with him to retrieve the goblin relic the Aundair has stolen. His comrades assist but have to go there own way as they seek help amoung their own people to better discover clues to the enemy's whereabouts and unseen another Aundair seeking them out ala the Fugitive begins to suspect there's more going on as the climax sees them teaming up say to save each others necks from a trap gone wrong as the traitor sets them up to be killed and fails forcing the Aundair to join them to clear his own name as they realise there may be a snake in the bosom of their nation... So what do you think?
Kaodi 02-28-07, 11:23 PM	Right now, my pick for an 3-person cartoon group would be a male personality warforged fighter/cleric (Becoming God) who is still trying to hammer out the rough edges of his faith (pun intended) from Cyre, a male very unfavoured in House Cannith artificer/rogue from Breland, and a female tiefling (Sakah) warlock/sorcerer from the Demon Wastes. The warforged and the human are very much learning to depend on each other, but are both struggling to find their place in their respective circles, where as the tiefling is doing her best to fight against her place in her circle. She is the one that you will always wonder if she will eventually turn to the other side, and maybe she even will. Of course, a female gnome bard/loremaster will be their sometime companion and most time info-matic that keeps their adventures going. And she'll have those prerequisite ties to poorly defined organizations with questionable morals and ethics.
Hopeless 03-01-07, 07:39 PM	Right now, my pick for an 3-person cartoon group would be a male personality warforged fighter/cleric (Becoming God) who is still trying to hammer out the rough edges of his faith (pun intended) from Cyre, a male very unfavoured in House Cannith artificer/rogue from Breland, and a female tiefling (Sakah) warlock/sorcerer from the Demon Wastes. The warforged and the human are very much learning to depend on each other, but are both struggling to find their place in their respective circles, where as the tiefling is doing her best to fight against her place in her circle. She is the one that you will always wonder if she will eventually turn to the other side, and maybe she even will. Of course, a female gnome bard/loremaster will be their sometime companion and most time info-matic that keeps their adventures going. And she'll have those prerequisite ties to poorly defined organizations with questionable morals and ethics. Sorry, the only class I loath more than Warlocks is Favoured Souls and thats because this class is proof that the sorceror class was deliberately lamed just because it had the potential to rival the wizard instead of being its lame cousin... Before you pick the classes try the storyline for example introduce the last war by having a battle that ends with the eruption of what caused the mournlands and end it with an exodus that links the story to one of the characters who leads into the first episode. When I look at this I wonder just what could be developed from this and whilst I do like Firefly perhaps we should be discussing exactly what this cartoon should be showing and then what characters should be involved... I think a warforged is a given perhaps showing the shifters, changelings nd kalashtar in some way perhaps having the first episode start off in Sharn... but I still think the opening should involve the end of the last war nd have an intro telling about the treaty perhaps from the viewpoint of a cyran... But who do you think should do this voice over? Who do you think can voice a Cyran in Sharn?
Euangelion 03-01-07, 08:05 PM	...perhaps we should be discussing exactly what this cartoon should be showing and then what characters should be involved... I think a warforged is a given perhaps showing the shifters, changelings nd kalashtar in some way perhaps having the first episode start off in Sharn... but I still think the opening should involve the end of the last war nd have an intro telling about the treaty perhaps from the viewpoint of a cyran... But who do you think should do this voice over? Who do you think can voice a Cyran in Sharn? While I don't think this is a bad idea, it seems to me that if it goes this way, it might as well just go ahead and star Daine, Lei, and Pierce. Otherwise those characters will probably seem like cheap ripoffs of said characters!
Hopeless 03-01-07, 08:29 PM	While I don't think this is a bad idea, it seems to me that if it goes this way, it might as well just go ahead and star Daine, Lei, and Pierce. Otherwise those characters will probably seem like cheap ripoffs of said characters! The question is does this mean introducing them entering the city as per book 1 or later on after another sequel is written about them? I'm currently considering pregenerating characters for a game and came up with the idea of having a villainess being the older sister of one of the pcs who's becoming a villain because of one of the pc's has a dragonmark and unlike her has no interest in the value it has given the politics involved in the houses and another pc being a multi-class artificier with the brother having a warforged bodyguard. I like the idea of there being different perspectives in the series and having them tied in some way, eventually revealing the campaign plot of the series sort of like Babylon V in that whilst the episodes can be seen separately there are clues to link them together and in so doing tell more about Eberron. But you do have a point about iconic characters, are there however any others than Daine, Lei and Pierce though?
Kaodi 03-01-07, 11:01 PM	I wasn't really thinking about what I would have them do, I was focusing more on the characters themselves. The best stories are almost always character driven. I mean, my warforged fighter/cleric is all about growth. His own growth, and the growth of his deity. I imagine you could have some fun mini-plots focused around his scavenging for suitable parts for the Becoming God, and I think he would lend himself well to be the focus of a good number of the one-off type episodes that pop up in cartoons from time to time. The fact that he is from Cyre isn't really that big of a deal for him, it's more incidental, though it wouldn't be completely ignored. My artificer/rogue is the brains in the group, and probably its mouth. He's kind of taken with his friends faith in the so-called Becoming God, though he is extremely skeptical. He's a maverick in House Cannith, but he's also fairly well known due to the series of circumstances that led to him leaving the employ of the House. He's probably about one step away from excorciate, and that really bugs him. If it weren't for his being from a strong dragonmarked bloodline, they probably would wash their hands of him completely. Otherwise, he's a bit of a ladies man, but he doesn't really try to hard. He isn't sure what he is looking for yet. The last character in my trio, the tiefling warlock/sorcerer, is probably going to be the focus of the plot behind the plot in whatever story this group takes up. For her, it feels like the Lords of Dust have their eyes permanently locked on her, and life is a desperate struggle to escape. The worst part is, the battle is fought inside, for the most part, and there is only so much running can do. Also, being a true outsider in the Five Nations, she is the one most prone to find beauty in the simple things most outside the Demon Wastes see all the time. She's the one that takes the most time to point out the cool things about the setting for the audience. That being said, Cannith would probably be most central to the first arc of their story, as the warforged and the Sakah have more transcendant elements in theirs, best suited to being drawn out over a longer period of time. This group probably wouldn't stay in once place for very long, though I don't think I'd have them hopping all over Khorvaire from episode to episode. It would be more like a slow migration from area to neighbouring area.
FrostWolf 03-02-07, 01:33 PM	Hmm... Comical Gnome Articifer with an equaly comical Iron Defender A shifter Druid, doing the "fighting against her beastly nature" thing The human. The glue that keeps everyone together. would stay vaugley undefined The gruff Warforged fighter. The half elven thief. Basic teen angsty emo~ish chick with trust issues. The Dwarven Cleric that gave moral support and guidance/ mentor. Basicly the "Save the world while solving our own personal problems" thing. Ta da! I just wrote the basic storyboard idea for the next Adult swim anime hit. Now shower me with riches.
Hopeless 03-02-07, 02:18 PM	Hmm... Comical Gnome Articifer with an equaly comical Iron Defender A shifter Druid, doing the "fighting against her beastly nature" thing The human. The glue that keeps everyone together. would stay vaugley undefined The gruff Warforged fighter. The half elven thief. Basic teen angsty emo~ish chick with trust issues. The Dwarven Cleric that gave moral support and guidance/ mentor. Basicly the "Save the world while solving our own personal problems" thing. Ta da! I just wrote the basic storyboard idea for the next Adult swim anime hit. Now shower me with riches. And i picture a human artificier from the Eldeen Reches and his warforged buddy who he found and repaired unaware that this canine was originally built by the giants and was dumped where he was becuse he was feared by both the Quori and the Giants... not because he's an invincible fighting machine, but because he's a total innocent and drove them nuts since "he" possesses extraordinary luck due to a hidden implant which is how "he" ended up with his artificier friend. Along with them are a bespectacled young woman named Velma whose a keen gnomish investigator, Fred a blond haired ever cheerful Brelander whose girlfriend Daphne is a member of House Cannith and a reporter for the Korrenberg Chronicles although its Velma who writes her reports. Currently they're pursuing an even smaller version of their canine warforged friend whose going around beating up anything bigger than itself and since only pre teen kids and halflings are actually bigger than this faulty canine double its up to the only warforged who can stop "Scrappy"... Sorry couldn't resist... I wonder if they can get an airship version of the Mystery Machine?
Metamagick 03-02-07, 02:23 PM	1/2 Orc ranger **The stupid person** Human cleric of the Host **Wise person** Changeling Rogue **Comic guy** Aerenal Wizard **The smart character** Warforged Fighter **The silent character** This is my line up. Human Artificer (Cannith) a reoccuring character, someone with connections Kalasthar **sp?** a reoccuring character, maybe someone who knows stuff
Hopeless 03-02-07, 02:57 PM	1/2 Orc ranger **The stupid person** Human cleric of the Host **Wise person** Changeling Rogue **Comic guy** Aerenal Wizard **The smart character** Warforged Fighter **The silent character** This is my line up. Human Artificer (Cannith) a reoccuring character, someone with connections Kalasthar **sp?** a reoccuring character, maybe someone who knows stuff Now its getting interesting again! I've been thinking about a Cyran Ranger/Paladin of Boldrei who's related to house Cannith but has a Least Mark of Passage thanks to her grandparents on her father's side of the family (and not an aberrant one.. due to good genes from that side of the family), a supposedly Argonessen Barbarian/Sorceror whose actually a Sarlonan and believes he's a reincarnated dragon and thinks the Cyran is a distant relation... the there's the former Blademark turned Cleric of the Sacred Flame/Artificier who is an unmarked member of House Deneith who has the unfortunate habit of picking up mercenary work for bad guys his girlfriend goes after... I could go on, but I'd rather see what you come up with next! Cheers!
Omnirahk, half-Rahkshi 03-02-07, 03:20 PM	We definitely need to intro the races and a dragonmarked character. I'd say: 1) The kalashtar is a little paranoid. He knows the Dreaming Dark is after him, so he's always covering his tracks. He has more fake personas than a changeling. The group may suspect that he's a changeling. I'd like to see him a soulknife. Maybe he follows one of the mixed paths from Blades of the Quori. 2) The shifter should have ties to the Gatekeepers. Perhaps he/she is about to officially join the sect, but first wants to see the "civilized" world in comparison. Sorta like the Amish in that year of touring or whatever it is (I don't really know much about that myself - just an idea). 3) I'll leave the warforged bodyguard and changeling rogue idea alone. Not my thing. 4) Dragonmarked sorcerer or artificer. Cannith would give an obvious tie-in for the 'forged. I'd actually really like to use the rogue artificer following his 'forged buddy in worship of the Becoming God. It'd also be nice to see a Vadalis sorcerer with a lot of dragonmarked spells. Summon Living Dragonmark, Dragonmark Whip, etc. Combine with summoning spells, dragonmark powers, and the feat dragonmarked summoning, and you have a great summoner. Or the dragonmarked half-orc. He's not an actual party member. Rather, he's the local sheriff or whatever that they sometimes get on the wrong side of, but other times help out.
Hopeless 03-02-07, 04:19 PM	We definitely need to intro the races and a dragonmarked character. I'd say: 1) The kalashtar is a little paranoid. He knows the Dreaming Dark is after him, so he's always covering his tracks. He has more fake personas than a changeling. The group may suspect that he's a changeling. I'd like to see him a soulknife. Maybe he follows one of the mixed paths from Blades of the Quori. 2) The shifter should have ties to the Gatekeepers. Perhaps he/she is about to officially join the sect, but first wants to see the "civilized" world in comparison. Sorta like the Amish in that year of touring or whatever it is (I don't really know much about that myself - just an idea). 3) I'll leave the warforged bodyguard and changeling rogue idea alone. Not my thing. 4) Dragonmarked sorcerer or artificer. Cannith would give an obvious tie-in for the 'forged. I'd actually really like to use the rogue artificer following his 'forged buddy in worship of the Becoming God. It'd also be nice to see a Vadalis sorcerer with a lot of dragonmarked spells. Summon Living Dragonmark, Dragonmark Whip, etc. Combine with summoning spells, dragonmark powers, and the feat dragonmarked summoning, and you have a great summoner. Or the dragonmarked half-orc. He's not an actual party member. Rather, he's the local sheriff or whatever that they sometimes get on the wrong side of, but other times help out. I tinkered around a Changeling Druid member of the Gatekeepers whose family was murdered by a Thrane cleric... Like the idea of a half-orc sheriff, kind of makes a mark of its own. I'd like to see what happens if the Changeling is actually of a halfling sized sub-species... nobody would expect it and it would make an interesting sub-plot as a new character turns up every episode and only the keen watcher will realise the halfling brigade is actually all the same person... I can imagine that being pulled off in a game by having the rest of the party think he just likes running low level halflings characters... of course if they ever find out it might make things even more interesting as the bad guys might not be in on the charade... Okay I'd like to see a Kalashtar too, but I suspect they won't be a main character as any story would initially have to be based in Khorvaire and whilst the dreaming dark are a complex villain, they're more likely to have long range goals rather than a routine two or four part episode which is how long it would take to even explain their presence and the Kalashtar's back story...
Lancer2010 03-03-07, 04:36 PM	You know, I think it would be cool if Gennedy Tartakovsky was the one who did the animation. You know, the same kinda style as Samurai Jack and Clone Wars. Hmm, hey, didn't Clone Wars start off as a bunch of 5 minute episodes and then go into full half-hour episodes? Maybe that would be the best way to start the show off?
InfinityStar8 03-03-07, 10:54 PM	Well, how about this question at least; How would you like to see the show start? I'm thinking of haveing a narrator start off with a dark and shadowy tail of Kyber, Eberron and Siberys fighting and the world being made. Then go into the tail of the ages, talking about the Age of Dragons, Age of Giants, Age of Monsters and everything else. Not saying details but just a few major highlights of each. Then maybe a quick little intro of Lhazaar bringing Humans to Khovair and them meeting the other major races. Then the rise of the Dragonmarked houses and the nation of Galfair. And you can end with it showing the Last War and the Morning then the Treaty of Thornhold and the city of Sharn where you zoom in on one (or group) of PCs. Thoughts?
Kaodi 03-04-07, 01:18 AM	In my opinion, doing an intro to the setting would be a really -bad- idea. The series should be all action and noir, no long explanations of millions of years of metagame knowledge. Any long narrations should be done by characters, based on what characters know, not what we know. Since a series would be part of a strategy to drive sails of Eberron, it would be better to let people have to either buy the books or look for the websites for that kind of info, to draw them in further. The opening should start in the middle of a battle, or just as our heroes are about to aquire the treasure they have been hunting for, to give them a chance to show off some of their abilities. In depth characterization is great, but some flashy moves and effects would help to hook the average viewer at the beginning. In my opinion, of course. The biggest question is though: What is our target age and audience? Are we shooting for older teens, or adults? Full Metal Alchemist level complexity, or Ghost In The Shell level complexity?
Hopeless 03-04-07, 08:42 AM	You know, I think it would be cool if Gennedy Tartakovsky was the one who did the animation. You know, the same kinda style as Samurai Jack and Clone Wars. Hmm, hey, didn't Clone Wars start off as a bunch of 5 minute episodes and then go into full half-hour episodes? Maybe that would be the best way to start the show off? OHH YES! That would be excellent! Samurai Jack in Eberron, okay I can dream can't I? Now all we need is for a "Scourge of Worlds" to be done for Eberron.... anyone hear if they're planning anything like that?
Hopeless 03-04-07, 08:54 AM	Well, how about this question at least; How would you like to see the show start? I'm thinking of haveing a narrator start off with a dark and shadowy tail of Kyber, Eberron and Siberys fighting and the world being made. Then go into the tail of the ages, talking about the Age of Dragons, Age of Giants, Age of Monsters and everything else. Not saying details but just a few major highlights of each. Then maybe a quick little intro of Lhazaar bringing Humans to Khovair and them meeting the other major races. Then the rise of the Dragonmarked houses and the nation of Galfair. And you can end with it showing the Last War and the Morning then the Treaty of Thornhold and the city of Sharn where you zoom in on one (or group) of PCs. Thoughts? Opening sequence is the closing days of the Last War, as explained by the narrator a castle is under siege by the Karrns and its slowly being overwhelmed as the civilians who have been rushed within and being evacuated out the back by airship just as the Karrns revealing their merciless side cut off their escape route even though its innocent bystanders they're cutting down (Yes I cn see them doing that). The scene rushes to a bitter final battle and one of the children aboard one of the airship or perhaps a crewmember or wounded soldier being evacuated on one of the last airships to escape watches s the castle is consumed by fire and then a cry behind them draws their attention as the view switches ahead within the heart of Cyre as a growing circle of cloud rushes forward and they try to avoid what they think is a explosive wave ends in darkness... Then the scene switches to Sharn as the narrator explains how many of the survivors of Cyre have moved to breland as the treaty is signed and their plight isn't addressed. It goes on to pan through Sharn revealing and talking about the various races and the Five Nations perhaps hinting at the dragonmarked houses before finally ending back where this part of the scene opens as the character emerges from his/her home and heads off to work perhaps showing the Thrane's hypocrisy and the fact the Flame isn't necessarily Thrane alone as it shows the cultural differences between the nations even as it introduces the half orcs, the elves, the dwarves and even the goblins and hobgolins even with a encounter with the kalashtar but the series begins with introducing the cast who are just trying to make ends meet and their hopes with the chief area they can accomplish even the least of these is by adventuring perhaps with a traditional dungeon crawl in the sewers with say a member of House Jorasco involved since they and the House of Hospitality would have as much to do with the locals in the poorer wards as would the truly pious church priests. Maybe we introduce a cleric of the flame of Cyran or Brelish birth who we see as a truly pious and noble priest or priestess and then have her meet with some fellow cleric's including a Thrane so we see an example of the zeolotry involved and then have the dragonmarked being shown as being upper classed with the refugees and other locals being somewhat at odds with them. Perhaps have the first mission being for a member of one of these houses for some reason.. what do you think am I going too far?
Romulus LoneWolf 03-04-07, 10:26 AM	Don't have a lot of details worked out, but I think a "Starring character with ensemble cast" approach would work, featuring a Male Human Fighter as the starring hero. Other characters would probably involve a few Eberron/Generic Fantasy stereotypes, like a Female Arenei Wizard (with a Goth look :P), a Shifter Ranger/Barbarian, and a Kalashtar Psion...
Lancer2010 03-04-07, 05:39 PM	Well, how about this question at least; How would you like to see the show start? I'm thinking of haveing a narrator start off with a dark and shadowy tail of Kyber, Eberron and Siberys fighting and the world being made. Then go into the tail of the ages, talking about the Age of Dragons, Age of Giants, Age of Monsters and everything else. Not saying details but just a few major highlights of each. Then maybe a quick little intro of Lhazaar bringing Humans to Khovair and them meeting the other major races. Then the rise of the Dragonmarked houses and the nation of Galfair. And you can end with it showing the Last War and the Morning then the Treaty of Thornhold and the city of Sharn where you zoom in on one (or group) of PCs. Thoughts? Trying to explain all that would take a lot of time, especially in the first episode. Best way to do those stories is with a flashback or shadowy vision sequences while the party is in Xen'drik or some kind of scholar in relation to an artifact or schema.
DragoonDarkfire 03-04-07, 08:04 PM	hmmmm... well I'd write a script on it if I got the chance. I might do so actually. I'll post it in this topic when I'm done just to see how good my story telling skills are.
Hopeless 03-06-07, 06:59 AM	So how about we discuss who would be in this series if we had the choice? Do we stick with a three person party or the standard four? In my imagination I see a dragonmarked artificer (not Cannith) accompanied by what seems to be an argonessen barbarian but is in reality from Sarlona and suffering from amnesis ebcause of how he reached Khorvaire and the fact he has come to save Khorvaire from the Inspired (think Terminator!) unfortunately he has adopted the artificer since she was orphaned shortly before they met and he witnessed who killed her remaining family member that she knows of. The third is a member of the Blademarks, but he is a cleric with an interest in learning the craft of an artificer because he likes making stuff but doesn't care for wizardry. The trio met as he was part of a unit sent to help Cyran refugees reach Sharn and eventially New Cyre thereby avoiding difficulties en route. The way I see the series tarting is showing the clip about Cyre's destruction and then lead to the girl being aboard an airship heading for Sharn which is ambushed by Karrns who shoot down the vessel since the treaty at this point is only being discussed. Her grandfather is killed leading the Karrns away so the few survivors flee towards Breland via the Talenta Plains (please comment if I've got the geography ok) and this introduces the second character who doesn't know how he got here and witnesses the airship being shot down and the grandfather's death who he rescues the man's body only to encounter the orphan who thinks he's desecrating her father's corpse. Misunderstanding resolved as the Karrns has sent troops down to investigate they flee and manage to reach Breland's border after giving her grandfather a proper funeral... (a cremation) they encounter a Blademark company assigned to help the refugees reach Sharn and New Cyre and this introduces the third character and on the trip to Sharn they encounter a band of slavers aided by Brelish rebels and a few Blademark turncoats and this introduces the Darguun (goblins and hobgoblins). Barely stopping the slavers they continue to Sharn and you see it introduced properly like a cut scene from FF where its true size and style will truly shine. Hows that? What ideas do you have about the cast and initial storyline?
Lancer2010 03-07-07, 11:41 AM	Couple of things: 1) Whomever said Patrick Warburton should voice a character, I agree wholeheartedly. I say let him do a Warforged, or a fighter, or both. 2) For anyone who's seen the opening for Stargate: Atlantis, I think they should do something like that for the opening. Have an airship floating serenly by, looking down upon a large city (Sharn for example), and then zoom in, and start showing some action shots for the show. Combat, the lightning rail on its course, a group shot of the major party, etc. 3) It should stay as far away from using lots of CG as possible. One thing that bothers me nowadays is the large amounts of CG that shows up in cartoons. I miss seeing actual ships and stuff like that hand drawn, plus sometimes the CG just looks really out of place.
Hopeless 03-07-07, 05:24 PM	Couple of things: 1) Whomever said Patrick Warburton should voice a character, I agree wholeheartedly. I say let him do a Warforged, or a fighter, or both. 2) For anyone who's seen the opening for Stargate: Atlantis, I think they should do something like that for the opening. Have an airship floating serenly by, looking down upon a large city (Sharn for example), and then zoom in, and start showing some action shots for the show. Combat, the lightning rail on its course, a group shot of the major party, etc. 3) It should stay as far away from using lots of CG as possible. One thing that bothers me nowadays is the large amounts of CG that shows up in cartoons. I miss seeing actual ships and stuff like that hand drawn, plus sometimes the CG just looks really out of place. Having seen him in both the dish and the Tick tv series that i can believe. However as per item 2 wouldn't that mean the series would be called Eberron: Sharn or Sharn: City of Towers? Yes I know there's a book of the same name but thats just to get the ball rolling. And as per 3, yes it would be nice if they could avoid too much cgi but how will they explain magic or even airships that the cast are aboard?
Lancer2010 03-07-07, 05:33 PM	I was just using the example of Stargate for a possible opening sequence. And maybe instead of Sharn just open up to a shot of the Khorvaire country side. I'm just stating my personal preferences for the show about CG. But shows like Samurai Jack, and Avatar: The Last Airbender get along well with very little CG.
Hopeless 03-08-07, 06:13 PM	I was just using the example of Stargate for a possible opening sequence. And maybe instead of Sharn just open up to a shot of the Khorvaire country side. I'm just stating my personal preferences for the show about CG. But shows like Samurai Jack, and Avatar: The Last Airbender get along well with very little CG. True, I'd never get tired of Samurai Jack. The Last Airbender... interesting choice given its background. And as for Stargate, yes I understand your definition but I assumed you meant the series was based in Sharn rather than an opening sequence perhaps a place for them to rest up inbetween adventures or missions depending on what is devised.
Vharuck 03-09-07, 04:14 PM	No amnesia. Ever.
Nerdicus 03-09-07, 06:27 PM	I got to thinking about this idea again and have gtot a new angle for the show.... Ok, firstly, the only reason that this would happen is if it could really serve as a great marketing ploy for the Wizard's. So I was thinking that the show should start off with a group of six people in some generic suburban home. It shows six young adults sitting around a table with their books and papers. Two girls and four guys, all of which are rather enjoyable to look at, but not model hot or anything. Anywas, the group begins to gather their papers and as they do so, one of the guys begins to speak, "Alright, so last time we all decided on the type of campaign we wanted to run, and what you guys were going to be playing as. Over the week you guys were going to finalize your character sheets and heave everything ready. So, why don't you each introduce your characters. Dan, we'll start with you" Says Jacob as he points over at the dark haired fellow with the heavy shoulders. "Sure thing. Meet Halthire Bergorvil a Shifter ranger dressed in finely crafted leather armor with a compound long bow strung by his side and a longsword at his hip..." As Dan begins to describe his character, an animated figure begins to appear in the center of the group and as the description goes on the animation bleeds over the live action finishing off with with a fully animated figure standing in an animated setting. YOu get the point. Each episode would be like a gaming session and at the begining and the end you be from the live action point of view of the players, and the story would be animated as the characters. I realize that this is a total cheese core idea, but if it was done right, with the perfect blend of good action and cheese rhetoric, it would slay. I was thinking that it work the best if the show never got into the personal lives of the players beyond their names. It always starts with them at the table getting things together, and ends with a summery by the DM and then everybody getting their stuff toegether and saying their goodby's. at the start of each show the DM would narrate the " Last time on blah blah blah.." and it would show scenes from the last episode. There could also funny parts where one character is staring off while the others are trying to get his attention, then it would flip over to the live action and show one the playres gettting a drink or coming out of the abthroom or doodling on his character sheet, or something.
Lancer2010 03-09-07, 10:00 PM	Hmmm, an intriguing idea. So long as you get teen actors who actually know how to play D&D, maybe let one of them be a newbie, that way if something weird comes up, like a term or something, the players hit "pause" while it's described to the new player by someone more experienced. Also, it could actually show that people of all walks of life play D&D. On a side note, is it creepy that the character you explained actually sounds pretty similar to a character I'm making for my friend's campaign?
Nerdicus 03-10-07, 11:24 AM	THe reason I put this forth as an idea is for the fact that, as you said Lancer, that it would show that people from all walks of life can play the game. I was thinking that the DM could be someone a few years older then most of the others, but otherwise they would all seem to be between the ages of 18-19 to late twenties early thirties. The focuss would be on the story and the animated aspects, and the live action would only show that in real life they are just people who get together to play a game. And about the wirdness of the character likeness there does not seem all that strange to me. I tried to think of the most generic Eberron character concept. Shifter Ranger seemed to be the most obvious candidate. I know others have voiced that they think that there should only be 3 characters in the story, but I think if they made the show follow an actual gaming group it would seem way cooler to the actual players out there who might be watching. The more I think about this idea, the more I get to thinking that it would slay.
Hopeless 03-10-07, 02:55 PM	I got to thinking about this idea again and have gtot a new angle for the show.... Ok, firstly, the only reason that this would happen is if it could really serve as a great marketing ploy for the Wizard's. So I was thinking that the show should start off with a group of six people in some generic suburban home. It shows six young adults sitting around a table with their books and papers. Two girls and four guys, all of which are rather enjoyable to look at, but not model hot or anything. Anywas, the group begins to gather their papers and as they do so, one of the guys begins to speak, "Alright, so last time we all decided on the type of campaign we wanted to run, and what you guys were going to be playing as. Over the week you guys were going to finalize your character sheets and heave everything ready. So, why don't you each introduce your characters. Dan, we'll start with you" Says Jacob as he points over at the dark haired fellow with the heavy shoulders. "Sure thing. Meet Halthire Bergorvil a Shifter ranger dressed in finely crafted leather armor with a compound long bow strung by his side and a longsword at his hip..." As Dan begins to describe his character, an animated figure begins to appear in the center of the group and as the description goes on the animation bleeds over the live action finishing off with with a fully animated figure standing in an animated setting. YOu get the point. Each episode would be like a gaming session and at the begining and the end you be from the live action point of view of the players, and the story would be animated as the characters. I realize that this is a total cheese core idea, but if it was done right, with the perfect blend of good action and cheese rhetoric, it would slay. I was thinking that it work the best if the show never got into the personal lives of the players beyond their names. It always starts with them at the table getting things together, and ends with a summery by the DM and then everybody getting their stuff toegether and saying their goodby's. at the start of each show the DM would narrate the " Last time on blah blah blah.." and it would show scenes from the last episode. There could also funny parts where one character is staring off while the others are trying to get his attention, then it would flip over to the live action and show one the playres gettting a drink or coming out of the abthroom or doodling on his character sheet, or something. Very nice! I like that idea, however how many episodes will pass before the whole party is introduced? Ideally to speed things up should have one character introduced per episode so that the first few episodes serve not only as the first arc of the series but also showcases that character's background perhaps in the format of having them introduce the episode... Okay I'd like to hear how you'd resolve this problem?
Hopeless 03-10-07, 03:07 PM	I know others have voiced that they think that there should only be 3 characters in the story, but I think if they made the show follow an actual gaming group it would seem way cooler to the actual players out there who might be watching. The more I think about this idea, the more I get to thinking that it would slay. I agree now all we can hope for is that they pay attention. So do we base the players on the original d&d cartoon series but updated? So using that as an example (and only an example to avoid arguments) if these kids were playing 3.5 in 2006 what characters do you think they would choose? So thats Bobby: a 8-10 year old kid originally a barbarian what would he play as the kid of the group? Diana: 14-15 years old originally a Thief-Acrobat with Monk under current rules so what would she choose to run? Eric: as Diana except he was a Cavalier or Fighter under 3.5 what would he play now? Hank: okay the ranger, the effective leader of the group what would he play? Presto: Formerly the Wizard what would he play? Shiela: Formerly the Rogue what would she play especially as she is Bobby's older sister? This is just to see what you think they would play, that doesn't stop you going for the old favourite of listing the standard viewpoint of those who play and run d&d so here's hoping this helps!
Nerdicus 03-10-07, 03:31 PM	Very nice! I like that idea, however how many episodes will pass before the whole party is introduced? Ideally to speed things up should have one character introduced per episode so that the first few episodes serve not only as the first arc of the series but also showcases that character's background perhaps in the format of having them introduce the episode... Okay I'd like to hear how you'd resolve this problem? I was thinking that the first episode would introduce the characters and get the story started. Actually, to best get the thing started, it work the best if the first ep was a double slot. Either a one hour(if the regular show was half/hour) or two hour if it was an hour ep regularly. The backgrounds of the characters would slowly be doled out bit by bit over several eps. The first one would introduce each of the characters on a more visual basis. What they look like, and what class they are. It would also lay out the starting point of the game and the top most reason for why they are all together and what they are about. As to relating it to the original cartoon, first off I have to say great memory! All I can remember about the show is that it started out with them on a rollercoaster and there was a dwarf character with a hammer and if he hit the ground with it it caused earth quakes. Oh....and I seem to remember an archer with the fantastic telescoping bow and magical flame arrows. Anyways, I think that an updated version of that show could work well. My thoughts on this idea lead me to belive that this is the sort of line up you could expect: SHifter ranger(male) Human female artificer Halfling healer( later on will develope a dragonmark) Warforged scout male personality Half elf female ( I don't know what yet) half orc monk. Male. The story should start iwth them all at level 1, and as they go up in levels they can multiclass and branch out. Also, I think that a few of the characters should die through out the story, giving way for new characters. Actually, I think that the first charatcer to die should die under circumstances that can allow the DM to bring them back in later as a BBEG. Perhaps a vampire, preist of the Dragon below, or thrall of the Dreaming dark or something. I love that when that happens in a game! The characters I put forth are totally just thinking outloud...er....on screen. But I think that the main concept for the show is pretty cool. If only they could get Joss Wheddon to write for it!
Nerdicus 03-10-07, 05:22 PM	It would be sweet if some of the artists that post on the boards were to get involved in this thing. Maybe even work up a picture of one of the characters; their choice of course. Could you guys imagine how awsome it would be if this actually came to fruition? Seriously. A running series on the Space channel or some such. Every season gets put on DVD and sold(at your local gaming store/video store/major book store). It becomes a cult classic for those who already play DnD and provide an amazing level of marketing for those who don't know anything about the game, given that the whole show would be about how it is all a game being played by a bunch of people. Man, I can so see it ...
Hopeless 03-12-07, 04:38 AM	I was thinking that the first episode would introduce the characters and get the story started. Actually, to best get the thing started, it work the best if the first ep was a double slot. Either a one hour(if the regular show was half/hour) or two hour if it was an hour ep regularly. Sounds pretty much how they introduced Smallville over in the UK... The backgrounds of the characters would slowly be doled out bit by bit over several eps. The first one would introduce each of the characters on a more visual basis. What they look like, and what class they are. It would also lay out the starting point of the game and the top most reason for why they are all together and what they are about. Agreed, that would make sense but will they have some player problems such as a player trying to cheat for example? As to relating it to the original cartoon, first off I have to say great memory! All I can remember about the show is that it started out with them on a rollercoaster and there was a dwarf character with a hammer and if he hit the ground with it it caused earth quakes. Oh....and I seem to remember an archer with the fantastic telescoping bow and magical flame arrows. Bought the series when it came out individually a few years back, like many I thought I had missed the fabled first episode... Anyways, I think that an updated version of that show could work well. My thoughts on this idea lead me to belive that this is the sort of line up you could expect: SHifter ranger(male) Was thinking of Hank when a Shifter Ranger was first mentioned! Human female artificer Okay I still think of Lei when human and artificer are mentioned! Halfling healer( later on will develope a dragonmark) This would be the character I'd player, but wouldn't want a dragonmark just be an unmarked member of House Jorasco... Warforged scout male personality Pierce? Half elf female ( I don't know what yet) Yes I agree though I'd be willing to bet she'd be the rogue half orc monk. Male. Be interesting to see this pulled off The story should start with them all at level 1, and as they go up in levels they can multiclass and branch out. Or prestige class though I'd like to see a sorceror present just to see if they'd back off from the messing around they did to the class (stop there thats another thread topic) Also, I think that a few of the characters should die through out the story, giving way for new characters. Actually, I think that the first charatcer to die should die under circumstances that can allow the DM to bring them back in later as a BBEG. Perhaps a vampire, preist of the Dragon below, or thrall of the Dreaming dark or something. I love that when that happens in a game! I'd prefer it to involve player mistakes and the evil character be one they left behind for dead so there's a reason why that character turns evil and then get him turned undead perhaps after they think the character's been killed... The characters I put forth are totally just thinking outloud...er....on screen. But I think that the main concept for the show is pretty cool. If only they could get Joss Wheddon to write for it! Oh yes, if anyone could pull a series like this, it would be him... I wonder if they can introduce cameo's or even a puppet npc... (Sorry couldn't resist!)
Hopeless 03-12-07, 04:45 AM	THe reason I put this forth as an idea is for the fact that, as you said Lancer, that it would show that people from all walks of life can play the game. I was thinking that the DM could be someone a few years older then most of the others, but otherwise they would all seem to be between the ages of 18-19 to late twenties early thirties. The focuss would be on the story and the animated aspects, and the live action would only show that in real life they are just people who get together to play a game. And about the wirdness of the character likeness there does not seem all that strange to me. I tried to think of the most generic Eberron character concept. Shifter Ranger seemed to be the most obvious candidate. I know others have voiced that they think that there should only be 3 characters in the story, but I think if they made the show follow an actual gaming group it would seem way cooler to the actual players out there who might be watching. The more I think about this idea, the more I get to thinking that it would slay. And maybe add extras on each disc that allow the buyer to run one or two games from the series or a related one like they did with the d&d collection. Perhaps have the cover of each dvd show either one of the characters or a pair maybe even monsters.
Nerdicus 03-12-07, 03:39 PM	For sure. And also they could make minis of the heroes and BBEGs.
Hopeless 03-12-07, 04:45 PM	For sure. And also they could make minis of the heroes and BBEGs. Hmm, why do I feel like those monsters will be mostly common minatures from past sets they wasn't able to sell?
Jimmifett 03-15-07, 05:01 PM	I was thinking that a good setting for an Eberron cartoon would be during the end of the Last War. It could be setup as an animated Band of Brothers so that you could have a "main cast" and cycle other favorites in and out or focus episodes on secondaries with the mains in the background. Also an easy way to bring in fresh character concepts to replace casualties. To prevent it from getting stupid, it should be a predetermined length with major plot points planned in advance, set to run 2 or 3 seasons, and end with the signing of thronehold. I think it could be good, gritty, dramatic, throw in some romance (but not go angsty or teen drama stupidity). Picture the main focus chars of the moment during a siege behind karnathi lines mirroring the battle of Bastogne. Or perhaps during the return home passing through the newly formed mournlands, not knowning what exactly has happened or what to expect. You'd have politics, intrigue, spying, special ops, temporary alliances that shift mid battle. -Jim
Hopeless 03-16-07, 08:27 AM	Okay here's a question for you. YOU have been given the chance to design and select one of the characters being used in the new Eberron D&D series. What single character would you choose? Remember this involves only those books listed in the Eberron books front section as being useful but not absolutely necessary to the game.
Edymnion 03-16-07, 08:35 AM	As long as its got Peter Cullen (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0191520/) in it, I don't care, it will rock. :)
Lancer2010 03-16-07, 10:03 AM	As long as its got Peter Cullen (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0191520/) in it, I don't care, it will rock. :) YES! FOR GREAT JUSTICE!
Nerdicus 03-16-07, 12:08 PM	Male shifter ranger. Name, Sarlin Darox. Short stalky with short cropped dirty blond hair, greyish blue eyes, and a hard edged demeaner. Stylized after Vorenus from Rome. http://img.dailymail.co.uk/img/galleries/romedrama/vorenusBBC_250x350.jpg He would fight with two short swords and or throwing axe. History: Sarlin grew up in the Eldeen reaches with a smal band of shifters. THey mostly lived off the wild, roaming around the wilderness as nomads, until one day they were found by a Denieth recruiting party. The whole crew was hired and brought into the service of teh House. Sarlin Excelled in his services rising to the rank of CAptain until one fateful day when his outfit attacked a supposed Karnathi outpost. The outpost turned out to be a refugee camp for woman and children that was being run by a non combative order of Priests. When Sarlin realized what the camp was he tried to get his fellows to halt the attack. Being captain, his troops followed his order and simply made camp outside the other camp in order to wait for orders. When orders came they were to continue with the plan as ordered and to arrest Captain Sarlin for mutiniy. Sarlin fought free and was even able to save a large number of woman, chidren and priests though more ended up dieing in the ensueing battle. From that point on Sarlin has been a sort of freedom fighter for the poeple of Khorvaire. He doesn't care about borders or national ties, he only cares about justice and freedom. There is my character for the Eberron animated series.
Kinger 03-16-07, 08:34 PM	Gotta have a 'Forged, but I'd say it's gotta be stereotypical (ie: a fighter) so as not to give the general audience the wrong impression ("Oh, so a lot of these Warforges are sneaky ninja types?"). I wrote up a trailer involving a warforged ass-kicker in the seemingly eternal "In a World..." thread, and always liked the idea. Citadel is a large, imposing warforged, easily standing at least a head taller than the rest of the cast. His bulky form reveals his impressive strength and hardiness, and his cold stare hides everything else. Citadel is quiet and composed, rarely shows outward emotion, and hardly ever gets excited. He has developed, however, a sarcastic streak that his companions have grown to expect, but regularly surprises strangers. His military background has instilled in him a penchant for following orders, regardless of the source, so he has a tendancy to do as he's told even if he doesn't like it. Citadel is the one everyone goes to if there's a foe needs squishing, a door needs breaking, or something heavy needs lifting, and he knows it. While he appreciates being able to regularly contribute, it irks him that his companions never ask for his help in anything intellectual. Despite his martial background, Citadel is very intelligent and perceptive. He just rarely has a chance to show it. Citadel is proficient with nearly any weapon put in front of him, be it axe, spear, or billiard table, but he prefers to fight with the sword that never leaves his side. This sword belonged to his previous commanding officer, and he treasures it like nothing else. A good thing, too, because it's a really good sword. His old captain had a sarcastic streak as well (probably where Citadel picked it up), choosing to have his sword magically personalized. With a command word, flaming letters appear on the bastard sword's blade, spelling out "Nothing personal." Also at Citadel's hip is a long kukri knife common to the Brelish military. Not content to be simply a blunt instrument of war, Citadel has taken up sculpting. While his companions sleep, the warforged chips and scrapes at pieces of marble, forming busts and portraits of people he meets so that he may always remember them. Occasionally he will leave other sculptures wherever he and his companions pass through, perhaps in thanks for displayed kindness, or in an attempt to comfort those in anguish.
Joni-san 03-17-07, 07:01 PM	This thread has awesome potential. Now if I had any pull in the series making it'd be the inclusion of the loli-pope in some fashion :P
Kaodi 03-17-07, 11:09 PM	Why limit yourself to just one character concept to forward? What is to say that the character you think of tomorrow wont be leaps and bounds ahead of the one you post today?
Nerdicus 03-18-07, 02:30 AM	Apon further thought on this idea, I have decided that the best first season would be to follow the published adventures. Start with the Forgotten forge and then rock the Shadows of the last war, and so forth. Perhaps take the adventures in a very different way in order to give the thing some mystery. Like, in the first one, the characters don't take the schema back to the Lady d'Vown, but rather take it to someone else instead. And then from there on the story changes from, working for d'Vown, to working against her. Or something like that. That is just what seems to make the most sense.
Kaodi 03-18-07, 08:56 AM	I'm of the opinion that going completely iconic would be a bad thing, because I think it would run the risk of alienating psyched Eberron gamers who were looking forward to cool new stories by giving them something they already know front to back. Everyone who has the Eberron adventures would more or less know the plot from start to finish. As for iconic characters, we've all already seen four thousand variations on the vanilla armblade wielding warforged fighter. I favour multi-classed characters for the cartoon for this reason. Allow them to do something iconic for their race, but something not quite as iconic as well. Make that warforged a fighter/artificer, the shifter a ranger/druid, the kalashtar a telepath/soulknife and the changeling a rogue/bard, for instance.
OmNefarious 03-27-07, 03:19 PM	lets say there was an eberron cartoon/anime. Here is how I would view it a couple of the characters Changeling Rogue/Sorcerer voiced by the guy who does Vash's voice (Trigun)that would bring a good aamount of comedy and seriousness to that character A Shifter Ranger/Fighter voiced by the guy who does Spike's voice (Cowboy Bebop)
Vharuck 03-27-07, 04:15 PM	I'm of the opinion that going completely iconic would be a bad thing, because I think it would run the risk of alienating psyched Eberron gamers who were looking forward to cool new stories by giving them something they already know front to back. Everyone who has the Eberron adventures would more or less know the plot from start to finish. As for iconic characters, we've all already seen four thousand variations on the vanilla armblade wielding warforged fighter. I favour multi-classed characters for the cartoon for this reason. Allow them to do something iconic for their race, but something not quite as iconic as well. Make that warforged a fighter/artificer, the shifter a ranger/druid, the kalashtar a telepath/soulknife and the changeling a rogue/bard, for instance. I think that point misses the entertainment from the characters and their interactions with the world. Seriously, if I see a movie's trailer nowadays, I can tell you the plot. Including the "twists" (read: rehashed forced plot devices I've seen before). However, some movies I go to see because I want to see the characters. Take the movie 300 for instance. I know what will happen. I watched the History Channel. I still want to see it because it will be great action, hopefully good dialogue (having seen Sin City, I've no worries here), and interesting characters. But maybe they could also throw in sideplots (they've been waylaid by enemies, and must defend themselves) and maybe even an underlying subplot.
Moblin 03-27-07, 05:27 PM	As long as its got Peter Cullen (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0191520/) in it, I don't care, it will rock. :) Oh my god. I knew he did Venger and Optimus but that list just goes on forever. (my respect for the man just went through the roof)
Sphere 03-27-07, 07:32 PM	A Halfling Ranger/Barbarian with a raptor animal companion who is prone to fighting before thinking and throwing boomerangs at people while shouting a war cry. A Kobold sorcerer with delusions of grandeur and a humiliating nickname. Gets into many arguments with the halfling. A Cyrian refuge rogue who seems to get into the worst luck imaginable only to escape by the skin of her teeth. A Warforged artificer on a journey of self discovery. Tags along with the rogue because of all the "interesting experiences" it leads too. A Shifter healer. Veteran of the last war and elder of the group. And a long time friend of their leader. And their leader, a Half Elf bard who pilots his own airship.
Zemyla 03-28-07, 06:07 PM	I want to see the Journey of the Forgotten Freedom turned into a cartoon. :D
Kamikaze Chicken 04-05-07, 01:11 PM	here is my line up of characters, and their respective voice actors. Bastion: Wf Paladin/Jugernaut who uses a shield to do most of his fighting Voice dby: peter Cullin Duo: Changling rogue/cabinet trickster/mind spy/invisible blade uses kukris Voiced by: Scott Mcneil Anton: Karnathi Necromancer/cleric/mytic theurge who uses a scythe Voiced by: Brian Drummond Kyra: long strider shifter ranger/reach runner using short swords Voiced by:Lenore Zann Kain: Daelkyr half breed Druid/Warlock uses : eldritch glaive and spells Voiced by:Kevin michael Richardson Lainey D'Cainith: human artificer/cainith wand adpet uses wands/crossbow Voiced by: Tara Strong Ok thats just my basic run down for a cast of characters representing an interesting blend of origins and strengths. basic plot would surround Lainey, who is only around age 10 or so and sudenly develops the syberis mark. Bastion is asigned to gaurd her, Duo is brought in to keep tabs on her, but end sup staying loyal. Kyra gets drug into the mix by her friend Kain who feals he should find redemption fo rhis heritage with the young girl. ANton is the oddity, he stays withthe group never talking much, but is always there to defend the entire team. Though his undead servants bother some of the team lainey doesnt seem to mind, either she is to youn gto understand it, or finds it a living, sor of, version of her artifice. SOme wher ein the plot we find out that Laineys dragon mark ties directly to a well known, to dragons, part of the prophecy. Anton is the agent of one of the dragons and has been reporting back all the time. Plot twists, yaddah yaddah, decpetion, maybe love between some of the odler characters. Who knows, it coul dbe fun Other side chaarcters coul dbe interesting: Darren : bard artificer who is Laineys "fiancee" he is 13 and already knows they are ot be wed one day. COmic relief always showing up to save lainey ut never really accomplishing anything. Key: a warforged rogue who always seems to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Pious: An odd cleric mindflayer who seems to be following Kain for unknown reasons. he helps the party at times but is never really understood. i think this group has neough ties to the worl dof Eberron that anything coul dbe thrown in. the voice cast is solid in my mind, and ill give a cookie to any one who can think of the voice acctors characters with out ising wikipedia or google. I had to look them up myself, i thought of voices i liked for each character and had to go digging. ill start baking if you start guessing. KAMIKAZE! :chicken:
Vharuck 04-05-07, 04:10 PM	How about a tertiary character (pops up only every once in a while) that provides an important piece of info, item, or help just in the nick of time. He could be a warforged. And his name would be Machina.
sorreahdarkhart 04-26-07, 04:34 AM	I've going to have to agree that Cowboy Bebop is a definite place to start with for an Eberron anime. I say anime because it obviously isn't that hard to get involved with it. I mean, look at IGPX. It was co-produced by American and Japanese companies, so I can't see a reason why Eberron couldn't be either. Plotwise, I'd tend to stray towards the novels. Honestly, the novels are fairly worth it, not to mention I'm terrible at plot development (coming from an aspiring writer, that's REALLY bad). It's my personal preference that the main can't be human or elf, cause it seems that's what I see with almost every novel I've read (that counts those drow too). Perhaps this: --Brelish Tiefling Cleric of the Silver Flame --Karrnathi Human Marshal --Talenta Plains Yuan-ti Pureblood Sorcerer --Darguun Kobold Fighter This type of setup is somewhat similar to Cowboy Bebop: it has three more 'serious' characters (the tiefling, the Karrn, and the Pureblood), while the fourth (our cuddly little kobold) is set aside as more of the 'comic relief'. You could assume that this group of misfits is like the 'odd jobs' group patrons would hire for adventures (thus, our plot: a sort of 'dungeon-of-the-week' thing). A similar idea would put our miserable crew through the dreaded 'story arc' idea: each season groups a similar idea together for our heroes to take care of. Two seperate examples would be tracking down the Blood of Vol for an eventual shodown with the lich queen herself, or tracking several renegade warforged bandits to the Lord of Blades and his moving city within the Mournland. During each episode you would progress the story along with the development of the characters (who, I must say, are uniquely wierd [a good tiefling cleric sounds really infeasible, as does a puny kobold wielding a broadsword]). When you think about it, Cowboy Bebop and Eberron share a similar tone (a sort of dark and very pulpy feeling), even though they have different genre settings. So thinking along those lines, it wouldn't be terribly hard to work out a feasible idea for an anime. Just as long it doesn't try to overgun the anime aspect, like Teen Titans. Sheesh.
Zyrusticae 04-26-07, 05:55 PM	Hmm. Whatever the plotline, I believe it should emphasize the noir, 'things are not what they seem...' flavor of Eberron. For example, I've always had this idea in my head of a hero-gone-villain. Specifically, my character, a half-brass-dragon/half-lizardfolk psycker (of sorts), ends up, through some freak occurances, becoming a freelance adventurer - and an extremely powerful one, at that. Her tribe's village slaughtered by humans for withholding a dragonshard artifact from all comers, she leaves home in search of vengeance - instead meeting a human barbarian from Argonesson, exiled for terrible act he refuses to mention; a cat-like shifter artificer, who loves to tinker with minds and magic alike; an odd, tomboyish aasimar half-elf monk, who, because of her training in isolation, has the most idealistic views out of anyone in the group; and last, but certainly not least, her own full-blooded half-sister, who spends much of her time in human form (and is oblivious to most societal taboos - much to the group's chagrin). The group goes through many trials and tribulations - especially for the group leader's unique heritage, as having dragon blood (and being considered a monster by mostly everyone wherever she goes) provides many advantages and disadvantages at once. Eventually, however, she manages to find those who destroyed her home and the only thing she considered family so long ago - and punishes them greatly, leaving nothing behind. Nothing, that is, including the bodies of her friends, who sacrificed themselves horrifically so that she may live. Going mad from the sudden pain of losing everything she ever held dear yet again, and this time having to witness it all firsthand, she attacks and destroys an entire settlement in yet another act of blind vengeance - only to stop at the last second and leave a small group of children behind to fend for themselves in the wreckage. At that point, she became powerful enough that no one could have stopped her (roughly level 20 at this point), and she leaves abruptly, leaving not a trace behind. Nobody knows where she went, what happened to her, or why she did it. A number of the survivors, however, survive to adulthood - seeking the same vengeance that she sought so long ago, and the vicious cycle begins anew. After many years of searching, adventuring both to uncover more information and to increase their power, they finally come face-to-face with the one who destroyed their home many years ago - and instead of facing a faceless, bloodthirsty monster with no regret, no remorse, and no morals, they meet the face of a still-young lizardfolk half-blood, stuffed to the brim with guilt and regret, living in a home she built specifically to contain herself - filled with remembrances of her friends and comrades-in-arms, doing the only thing she feels she can do - remember them. They are forced into a struggle in deciding what to do with her, as she refuses to kill them, but also refuses to simply let them kill her. She is still too powerful for them to defeat, even after all their difficult experiences, which she proves by taking their warrior's greatsword and shattering it with her bare hands. With her psychic powers, she shows them images of her old comrades-in-arms - and her still-vivid memories of their deaths, ingrained in her mind as they are. Ironically enough, they end up taking her in as a friend - and as a mentor of sorts, sharing with them her various life experiences and the many lessons learned over its course. ...Funny just how much I managed to write out in a single post. Really, this is something I constantly think about, working out the details in my head over time. Nothing too serious, though I'm sure I could write out the details if I put my mind into it and turn it into a novel. Not that I have such motivation, anyways.