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JulesCARV 05-01-07, 08:53 AM	I just wanted to make a general list of ideas for Eberron oriented toward making irritating Edymnion as much as possible: 1. Play a strongheart halfling Ashbound druid/renegade mastermaker/warforged juggernaut/reforged 2. Have a male changeling Favored Soul of the Traveller/Warshaper travel through the Plane of Shadow to Oerth, seeking to be impregnated by Olidammara in female shape in the hopes of uniting Olidammara from the Oeridean pantheon and the Traveller from the Eberronian pantheon into one trickster deity of unfathomable power and cunning. 3. Play a big-breasted female warforged Vow of Poverty monk/drunken master who creates beer to drink using Create Food and Drink from her Lesser Mark of Hospitality, since she was originally a Ghallanda halfling who was reincarnated as a warforged. 4. Have your grey elf wizard/cataclysm mage rewrite the draconic prophecy so that he ends up being the only being in Eberron to attain divine rank and becomes the overdeity of Eberron, sending spelljamming ships to spread his rule to other worlds like Abeir-Toril.
Creature_Mastermind 05-01-07, 09:38 AM	3. Play a big-breasted female warforged Vow of Poverty monk/drunken master who creates beer to drink using Create Food and Drink from her Lesser Mark of Hospitality, since she was originally a Ghallanda halfling who was reincarnated as a warforged. Uhmmmm... you can' be reincarnated into a warforged just so you know right?
Splendide 05-01-07, 10:22 AM	Even into a Reforged?
Bluebrush 05-01-07, 11:37 AM	That 100 "other" result on the reincatnation table allows for some wacky results.
Edymnion 05-01-07, 12:45 PM	Heh, and for the record, I did agree to this. ;) So come on, lets see how well you know me! Ooh, here's one, try to work in a Sage Ruling that makes no sense. :D
DragonWatcher 05-01-07, 12:58 PM	How about playing a CG Drow Ranger with a mitheral breastplate, and Light Armor Proficiency? OR Insisting that you can play a Kender Dragonrider... because, "If it's in D&D, it's in Eberron". ;)
allenchan 05-01-07, 03:21 PM	A traveling member of House Jorasco who opens a healing hostel in the mournlands by using such things as rope trick and goodberries, catering to all the needs of adventurers that come and go.
ArcTan 05-01-07, 03:34 PM	Uhmmmm... you can' be reincarnated into a warforged just so you know right? Even if you roll 00 on the percentile dice?
Nived 05-01-07, 03:47 PM	Off the top of my head? Sorcerers controlling elemental crafts all willy nilly. Reincarnated Dragonmark characters (Hobgob with the mark of Siberys). Novels being made official canon, even Crimson Talisman, which brings me to my next one. Half Elves with Mark of Passage. "How do," Sun Elves, Moon Elves, Mountain Elves, Super Elves, Kebler Elves, Wood Elves, Broken Elves, "Fit into Eberron" threads. Daelkyr Half Bloods, Changlings, Shifters, Illumins, Half<blanks>, and every other subrace you can think of getting Dragonmarks because they have some blood of a base race in them. People actually liking the Sidebars in the Player's Guide to Eberron. Guns. Tome of Battle. People who like the fluff sections of Races of Eberron and consider it a fine source of Eberron information. I miss any?
RogueElement 05-01-07, 06:43 PM	18) Posting fourteen pages of increasingly abusive arguments on the theory of arrow breakage rules on his Artificer Player's Guide 3.0 thread.
Edymnion 05-01-07, 09:32 PM	18) Posting fourteen pages of increasingly abusive arguments on the theory of arrow breakage rules on his Artificer Player's Guide 3.0 thread.Heh, thats actually why I became a scribe, so I could put the 3.0 guide in the FAQ area where people couldn't post to it. ;) Come on, nobody has remembered the hate I've got on for Magic of Incarnum? Only roleplaying book I've ever returned to the store and demanded my money back for? And then there's needless 3.5 changes in general (like how a 3.5 archer can shoot into a crowd of children to pick off a frog, and there is 0% chance that he could hit a child, because 3.5 no longer has rules for striking cover, or how utterly useless Overland Flight is).
Forged_Fury 05-01-07, 10:28 PM	Edy, Don't you have a mad-on for the Favored Soul? -FF
DragoonDarkfire 05-01-07, 10:43 PM	Yea I have a question: Are there ANY classes outside of the Players Handbook that you like?
ryanroyce 05-01-07, 11:24 PM	Come on, nobody has remembered the hate I've got on for Magic of Incarnum? Only roleplaying book I've ever returned to the store and demanded my money back for? Keen! I thought I was the only one who hated it that much. Fortunately, I had a friend who felt the same way about Tome of Magic, so we traded books and were both happier for it.
Splendide 05-02-07, 01:27 AM	A sourcebook that progresses the timeline, reveals the existence of the Dreaming Dark, and reunites Galifar as a republic without bloodshed.
allenchan 05-02-07, 02:12 AM	A sourcebook that progresses the timeline, reveals the existence of the Dreaming Dark, and reunites Galifar as a republic without bloodshed. (and explains what caused the Day of Mourning? )
Arcane Guyver 05-02-07, 02:13 AM	Come on, nobody has remembered the hate I've got on for Magic of Incarnum? Only roleplaying book I've ever returned to the store and demanded my money back for? Well done! :clap: That was one of the things that really ticked me off about the Player's Guide to Eberron, not even bothering to stick that crap into a sidebar. No races of 'almost humans' running around with spikes sticking out of their arms in my Eberron.
Edymnion 05-02-07, 08:23 AM	Edy, Don't you have a mad-on for the Favored Soul? -FFNot so much for the Favored Soul, I just like using it as my poster child for "There is no way in hell that both the Favored Soul and the Sorcerer can both be balanced." Either full spontaneous caster progression is so powerful as to be worth giving up all other class abilities, or it isn't.
RogueElement 05-02-07, 08:40 PM	And then there's needless 3.5 changes in general (like how a 3.5 archer can shoot into a crowd of children to pick off a frog, and there is 0% chance that he could hit a child, because 3.5 no longer has rules for striking cover, or how utterly useless Overland Flight is). Oh man don't get me started on the not-hitting-cover rules change. Actually, now that I think about it...what's with those arrow breakage rules anyways? I mean they are the exact OPPOSITE of real life. In real life, if you miss your target, your arrow flies off out into the desert and you'll never ever find it or if you are indoors, it hits a wall where the head either breaks off or jams up into the shaft every time. If you hit your target, your arrow only breaks if you hit a solid bone dead on like the spine or a limb bone. So the rules should be miss your target = break/loss 100%, hit your target = break 50%. The rules are totally backwards I say. Backwards! Let's hijack this thread with 14 pages of heated discussion!
PoeticJustice 05-02-07, 08:48 PM	19) Bears that go CLANG!! when you stab them because they're actually Wild Shaped Warforged Druids. 20) Drow PCs. Bonus points if it's a half-dragon! 21) (Lack thereof) Warforged Noses. 22) Introducing the next Eberron supplement: Spells of Eberron! Now with more high level evocations!
Dragoloth 05-02-07, 10:21 PM	23) People that ask non-Eberron specific questions on the Eberron boards
cancerousmango 05-02-07, 11:34 PM	I know, I'll bug him with this pointless post about how difficult it is to type on a wii, which is what I am posting from!!!11
Macrovore 05-02-07, 11:37 PM	I know, I'll bug him with this pointless post about how difficult it is to type on a wii, which is what I am posting from!!!11 you can do that? sweet! now I need to get a wii. how do you do it, though?
sorreahdarkhart 05-03-07, 12:10 AM	The Azureforged Body topic over on the Character area of the board, as it deals with Magic of Incarnum.
cancerousmango 05-03-07, 12:43 AM	you can do that? sweet! now I need to get a wii. how do you do it, though?Buy wii. Buy either a LAN hookup (requires a router) or, much simpler, buy a USB wireless internet hookup for wii. Connect Wii to internet. Go to Wii Shopping channel. Download free browser, called the internet channel. Enjoy.
(Psi)SeveredHead 05-03-07, 07:46 AM	25) Insist on playing a "polymorphic" warforged that has a new body type (complete with stats) every day. Then create a new subrace for each material. Is half-dragon/half-whisper gnome flesh an acceptable body type?
Cifer 05-03-07, 08:15 AM	Yea I have a question: Are there ANY classes outside of the Players Handbook that you like? I'd hazard a guess: Artificer.
Edymnion 05-03-07, 08:34 AM	you can do that? sweet! now I need to get a wii. how do you do it, though?Wii has built in wireless and a free web browser you can download for it. Surf the internet normally, click on a text box and it brings up a virtual keyboard for you to type on using the wiimote. The Azureforged Body topic over on the Character area of the board, as it deals with Magic of Incarnum.I have been avoiding looking into that thread, because I know it would just upset me. Heh, I would like to think that I have some measure of self control, when I see a thread topic I don't like, I don't click it. :) Yea I have a question: Are there ANY classes outside of the Players Handbook that you like?Not many, mainly because the ones outside the PHB (and several in it) violate what I believe is the fundamental principle of a base class, that they are broad and generic (like the Rogue or the Fighter) that can be turned into a vast array of possible characters through feat/skill selection and roleplaying. Any base class that does one thing and one thing only should be a PrC (and yes, I'm including the Monk and the Paladin in that lot of "classes that should have been PrC"). To tell the truth, I'm rather fond of the generic classes that were in (I think) Unearthed Arcana. Warrior, Expert, and Spellcaster. I honestly do not believe there is any character anyone can imagine (that can be built in D&D anyway) that you can't build with those three classes and some roleplaying. Same with races. If you use nothing but human mechanics and a point buy, there is no race you can't do by spending the bonus feat on something appropriate and roleplaying up the race (like an elf could be as easy as spending the bonus feat on Alertness for those extra-keen senses). Been spending a lot of time with the True20/M&M2e system because of the point buy nature of character creation in it. Finally, an *almost* perfectly balanced point buy system that has the right mindset (take the base mechanics, and describe them however the hell you want). Honestly, I'd freaking love to play in an Eberron game that uses the M&M2e rules.
Fabius Maximus 05-03-07, 09:24 AM	Seems like I have to look into the True20 system after all.
Euangelion 05-03-07, 10:33 AM	To tell the truth, I'm rather fond of the generic classes that were in (I think) Unearthed Arcana. Warrior, Expert, and Spellcaster. I honestly do not believe there is any character anyone can imagine (that can be built in D&D anyway) that you can't build with those three classes and some roleplaying. Same with races. If you use nothing but human mechanics and a point buy, there is no race you can't do by spending the bonus feat on something appropriate and roleplaying up the race (like an elf could be as easy as spending the bonus feat on Alertness for those extra-keen senses). I'd love to see something like this for 4th ed. Start from scratch, roll ability scores (or better yet, use the point buy system), select BAB and save progression, then pick a # of skill points and hit points per level, and then based on that, a certain number of special abilities per level. The permutations would be astronomical, and yet it would be easy enough for a beginner to put together a decent class. I'm not familiar with the other systems you mentioned, so if it's similar, forgive me. Oh, and to annoy you, I suggest the best way to look at Eberron is from a "black and white" moral perspective, that detect evil is a foolproof way of determining who's the party's enemy.
DragoonDarkfire 05-03-07, 12:45 PM	Not many, mainly because the ones outside the PHB (and several in it) violate what I believe is the fundamental principle of a base class, that they are broad and generic (like the Rogue or the Fighter) that can be turned into a vast array of possible characters through feat/skill selection and roleplaying. Any base class that does one thing and one thing only should be a PrC (and yes, I'm including the Monk and the Paladin in that lot of "classes that should have been PrC"). To tell the truth, I'm rather fond of the generic classes that were in (I think) Unearthed Arcana. Warrior, Expert, and Spellcaster. I honestly do not believe there is any character anyone can imagine (that can be built in D&D anyway) that you can't build with those three classes and some roleplaying. Same with races. If you use nothing but human mechanics and a point buy, there is no race you can't do by spending the bonus feat on something appropriate and roleplaying up the race (like an elf could be as easy as spending the bonus feat on Alertness for those extra-keen senses). Interestingly enough I agree with you completely. I'd love to run a campaign with those three classes (I might need to make a generic Psionic class as well...), races I would prefer to keep just because it's my style but the PC's ugh. I'm sorry to rant about my friends but they are the most pig headed... I mean they won't play ANY character that isn't in the Players Handbook. When I showed them Unearthed Arcana's generic classes they just stuck out their tongues and said they were too... well generic. I guess I can't blame Wizards for having specialized base classes then. After all the role of producers is to simply give what consumers want... *sigh* tis a vicious cycle.
Hideous Phidias 05-03-07, 12:45 PM	This may have been said but What of Edymnion's option on Psionics? I know you have a dislike of many of the classes out there and on some of your points I am forced to agree. The most recent being that many of the new classes should have been prestige classes, qnd that one can create many different characters from the PHB classes. But sometimes it is nice tohave a change or a one trick pony. It makes the character intresting in my option. Much like having a party that does not have all th e traditional roles filled out. (cleric, fighter, rogue, and wizard)
PoeticJustice 05-03-07, 12:58 PM	To tell the truth, I'm rather fond of the generic classes that were in (I think) Unearthed Arcana. Warrior, Expert, and Spellcaster. I honestly do not believe there is any character anyone can imagine (that can be built in D&D anyway) that you can't build with those three classes and some roleplaying. I used to agree, then a player wanted to play a Bard and I was unable to easily recreate the class. Plus, the Warlock is starting to grow on me and that's a no go too. You think the monk is limited, eh? Monk works well as anything from a religious scholar, town constable, bodyguard, or mystic.
Kid SixXx 05-03-07, 01:52 PM	1. Mordain the Fleshweaver is the Chosen of the Shadow. 2. Include Sigil into the Eberron Cosmology, setting the stage for Larloch & Iuz to compete for Vol's affections. 3. Give the Aereni the same spelljamming navy that Evermeet has. 4. Provide undeniable proof that House Cannith is responsible for the Day of Mourning.
Edymnion 05-03-07, 05:48 PM	This may have been said but What of Edymnion's option on Psionics?One of my WF has Psychic Warrior as his first class. I like Psionics just fine.I used to agree, then a player wanted to play a Bard and I was unable to easily recreate the class.Skillsman 3/Spellcaster 1 and just throw in the roleplaying that you have to sing to cast spells. Not really difficult, IMO, if you just try to replicate the flavor of the bard and not insisting on replicating every little mechanical detail. Bard is essentially just a rogue with some minor spellcasting instead of sneak attack.
Ardent 05-03-07, 05:53 PM	I'd love to see something like this for 4th ed. Start from scratch, roll ability scores (or better yet, use the point buy system), select BAB and save progression, then pick a # of skill points and hit points per level, and then based on that, a certain number of special abilities per level. The permutations would be astronomical, and yet it would be easy enough for a beginner to put together a decent class. I'm not familiar with the other systems you mentioned, so if it's similar, forgive me. You may get your wish; Star Wars just moved to Talent Trees and a 5-archetypal class system (which was a popular move with many veterans of the system, who have long co-opted d20 Modern and d20 Future for their Star Wars games). Depending on how well it falls out with the d20 community in general, the archetypal class (which is basically a balanced set of BAB, HD, Saves and Class Skills/SP per level) with talent trees may become a d20 standard. They're saying the basic five classes and three talent trees per class works out to some absurd amount of permutations. Once we can actually look over them all to determine viable builds, I imagine it will still be somewhere upwards of 1,000 possibilities at 10th level. Also, I would imagine that the inclusion of the Samurai base class would significantly irritate Edymnion. I make this assumption based on the fact that it would significantly irritate me.
Edymnion 05-03-07, 06:39 PM	Also, I would imagine that the inclusion of the Samurai base class would significantly irritate Edymnion. I make this assumption based on the fact that it would significantly irritate me.Bah, Samurai is just a Fighter with some roleplaying, just like a Ninja is just a Rogue with roleplaying. :P But yeah, having a base class for "Knife Fighters that only have proficiency in Studded Leather and Daggers who learn 37 ways to kill you with their knife without using the blade" would irk me.
JulesCARV 05-03-07, 09:44 PM	* Have your artificer figure out how to build warforged from scratch without needing a Mark of Making or a creation forge, and create a new custom warforged: a half-celestial, half-dragon, half-fiendish, half-fey, phrenic warforged. * Play a dwarf cleric of the Undying Court, and when one of your goblin party members dies, bring her back as an Undying Councilor. Then rebuke her and keep her as your servant. * In Eberron, there's no proof as to which gods exist or do not exist, so go ahead and play a Champion of Corellon Larethian. It's every bit as valid as a Sovereign Host worshipper, after all. * Have your level 16 kalashtar telepath/thrallherd send his level 15 and 14 thralls on virtual suicide missions -- and insist that new level 15 and 14 thralls will show up to serve him within 24 hours, even if he's already gone through dozens of Eberron's rare level 14+ characters.
Dragoloth 05-04-07, 02:11 AM	You mean a renegade mastermaker cant build warforged without a creation forge? Then how did he become warforged. Maybe he can turn others into warforged, he did it to himself.[extreme sarcasm]
Edymnion 05-04-07, 08:20 AM	You mean a renegade mastermaker cant build warforged without a creation forge? Then how did he become warforged. Maybe he can turn others into warforged, he did it to himself.[extreme sarcasm]Ooh, and lets not forget trying to reattatch WF limbs with nothing but a repair check! Or bring them back from the dead even, its just damage, we can rebuild him! :rolleyes:
Thrincold 05-04-07, 08:31 AM	Ooh, and lets not forget trying to reattatch WF limbs with nothing but a repair check! Or bring them back from the dead even, its just damage, we can rebuild him! :rolleyes: It worked on C-3P0 and he's a robot, just like Warforged. So no problems right? (Had to get the Warforged are robots jab in, to, of course, annoy Edy.)
Edymnion 05-04-07, 08:37 AM	It worked on C-3P0 and he's a robot, just like Warforged. So no problems right? (Had to get the Warforged are robots jab in, to, of course, annoy Edy.)So what kind of penalties do you get if a Shifter puts your head on backwards?
Thrincold 05-04-07, 08:50 AM	So what kind of penalties do you get if a Shifter puts your head on backwards? The Shifter is forced to carry it around on his back for the rest of the adventure. While listening to it whine about the shifter's shortcomings and about not wanting to die. Would that make R2-D2 a halfling in a modified apartus of qualish, or just a trashcan that got put through the forge that created Warforged scouts? ;)
Arryn 05-04-07, 08:58 AM	So what kind of penalties do you get if a Shifter puts your head on backwards? Ok... that caused me to spit my Coke out on my screen. You owe me a new monitor Edymnion. :P
Dragoloth 05-04-07, 10:05 AM	I have an idea! Lets stat out all af Ebberons high level characters to make it easier on DMs. Ebberon Ebberon Sorry had to spell it wrong it bugs me to.
DarkWarriorKarg 05-04-07, 10:44 AM	A wild elf frenzied berserker with the mark of shadows... A cheerful, helpful 18th level jorasco cleric who carries an altar of resurrection in a portable hole. A helpful supermage in a tower who helps adventurers out in between his personal missions to beat up awakening Rajahs and the occasional dealkyr. Exhalted Incarnum wielder!
PoeticJustice 05-04-07, 11:13 AM	Bard is essentially just a rogue with some minor spellcasting instead of sneak attack. The entire flavor of the class sort of hinges on Bardic Music, which is more or less impossible to translate into the generic classes. Sure, I could just write it off as spellcasting, but it wouldn't be the same.
DragoonDarkfire 05-04-07, 11:33 AM	Exhalted Incarnum wielder! That actually would be quite possible for a good incarnate... BAH! :P OH and about WF repairs, you are aware that when WF "die" there soul leaves their body. As such repairing their body would be meaningless unless you can call it's soul back.
Belabras 05-04-07, 12:03 PM	Harking back to the original idea of the thread: A Wild Elf Totemist (MoI), Dragon Devotee (RotD), Dragon Disciple with the Feral Template (SS, a 3.0 resource) who at level 15 starts taking feats from the Draconomicon to increase his already broken Natural Attack chain. Hell, I'd be anoyed by such a creation myself.
Ryuu_Tenshi 05-04-07, 01:50 PM	just like a Ninja is just a Rogue with roleplaying. I'm... not sure I agree completely. On reflection, maybe. But... even so, ninja are... um... a delicate subject. Particularly historical ninja vs pop culture ninja. Just go to the Oriental Adventures boards and you'll see why this is a problem. And if you're curious as to what a historical ninja is really like? Ask heretic888. He's given the best and most accurate explanations of anyone I've ever seen in my life.
Michael_Silverforge 05-04-07, 03:23 PM	40) A 'blastificer' who constantly whines that he doesn't have enough money.
Vharuck 05-04-07, 04:31 PM	41) A CG shifter barbarian/monk with the feat Shifter Savagery who is reincarnated as a warforged, and then uses his natural slam attacks for more damage while raging during a Flurry of Blows (since obviously his unarmed strike damage is used for all natural attacks).
davethebrave371 05-04-07, 04:53 PM	Khyber, Siberys and Eberron as the new Colossal D&D minis.
johnkretzer 05-04-07, 05:59 PM	Khyber, Siberys and Eberron as the new Colossal D&D minis. Those would look so cool. Yeah I don't want to see any stats for them but as minis I wouldn't complain. Also if obvisously Edymnion has never seen a bard well played before if he thinks they are just rogues w/ spellcasting. But things that would annoy Edymnion is easy: - A incantrix(or any other FR PrC) in Eberron. - Any mention of sub-races at all. - A dragon that is just a mindless beast their to be killed.
Edymnion 05-05-07, 12:35 AM	I'm... not sure I agree completely. On reflection, maybe. But... even so, ninja are... um... a delicate subject. Particularly historical ninja vs pop culture ninja. Just go to the Oriental Adventures boards and you'll see why this is a problem. And if you're curious as to what a historical ninja is really like? Ask heretic888. He's given the best and most accurate explanations of anyone I've ever seen in my life.Historical ninja were samurai, plain and simple. But again, I'm not talking about perfectly replicating every little detail, but you can get a character that is close enough that with proper roleplaying is acceptable. The ninja is a stealth based assassin type character who focuses on, surprise surprise, stealth, unexpected tricks, and the feudal japanese version of "one shot, one kill". Everything that the Rogue can already do.Also if obvisously Edymnion has never seen a bard well played before if he thinks they are just rogues w/ spellcasting.No, I have seen well played bards, I've played several of them (well, not necissarily saying that they were well played because I played them, but you know what I mean). The main problem people have with the use of generic classes is that they have trouble seperating the idea of the class from the existing mechanical implimentation. The bard is an entertainment based character that is a jack of all trades. They sing, they dance, they know all the stories and legends, and they can even cast some spells they picked up along the way. You don't need rules that specifically say "You have to use this skill to sing well enough to buff your companions". Just roleplay that you have that restriction, and sing while you cast. Voluntarily restrict your spells to resemble the Bard spell list and bard musical abilities. Just like you don't have to have Death Attack to be an assassin (aka, kill people for money), you don't have to have Bardic Music to be a bard. When using the generic classes, its not about trying to replicate the specific ones, as that defeats the point of using the generics. The idea is that you take them as fundamental building blocks. Combat ability, Skills ability, Magic ability, and mix and match to build something that comes close to your character concept. No, you will likely never get it exactly correct, but the point is that you just need to get in the ballpark, and fill in the gaps with roleplaying.
Vharuck 05-05-07, 01:06 AM	Just like you don't have to have Death Attack to be an assassin (aka, kill people for money), you don't have to have Bardic Music to be a bard. When using the generic classes, its not about trying to replicate the specific ones, as that defeats the point of using the generics. The idea is that you take them as fundamental building blocks. Combat ability, Skills ability, Magic ability, and mix and match to build something that comes close to your character concept. No, you will likely never get it exactly correct, but the point is that you just need to get in the ballpark, and fill in the gaps with roleplaying. But, Edy, roleplaying is only fun when it doesn't get in the way of maxxing my character's power! /sarcasm
Dragoloth 05-05-07, 01:45 AM	Do you think Vol will team up with Nerull or Vecna?
JulesCARV 05-05-07, 02:27 AM	I really do think that bardic music is the sine qua non of the bard. If you're just going to be a skilled/light spellcaster multiclass, and roleplay it as being a bard, you can, but you can also do it as a single class generic warrior, expert, or spellcaster with perform and knowledge (history) as two of your four, six, or twelve selected in-class skills. The bard incidentally has modest combat ability, good skills, and some spellcasting, because bardic music and bardic knowledge aren't enough to be the sole features of the class, but to say that a skilled/spellcaster character can be a bard if only roleplayed right is to miss the point. If you want to be a bard in the broad sense of someone who's good with music, any class with perform in class -- including, potentially, any of the generic classes -- can duplicate a bard, not just a skillful/spellcaster multiclass, but if you want someone who does something like a D&D bard, bardic music is truly indispensible. This is not to say that this is an inherent limitation on the generic system. UA did not present any way to duplicate bardic music with bonus-feat substitutes, as with sneak attack, trap sense, or smite evil. They could have, though. I'm too tired to create it now, but I think that it would be possible to create a "generic" system of bardic music, based on perform prerequisites, based on maybe 4-6 feats. This would allow an expert to be a bard with the classical "versatile minstrel" type, a spellcaster to be a bard to be a "musical enchanter" type, or even a warrior to be a bard more in line with a "warrior skaald" type image.
johnkretzer 05-05-07, 04:01 AM	Everything that the Rogue can already do.No, I have seen well played bards, I've played several of them (well, not necissarily saying that they were well played because I played them, but you know what I mean). The main problem people have with the use of generic classes is that they have trouble seperating the idea of the class from the existing mechanical implimentation. The bard is an entertainment based character that is a jack of all trades. They sing, they dance, they know all the stories and legends, and they can even cast some spells they picked up along the way. You don't need rules that specifically say "You have to use this skill to sing well enough to buff your companions". Just roleplay that you have that restriction, and sing while you cast. Voluntarily restrict your spells to resemble the Bard spell list and bard musical abilities. Just like you don't have to have Death Attack to be an assassin (aka, kill people for money), you don't have to have Bardic Music to be a bard. When using the generic classes, its not about trying to replicate the specific ones, as that defeats the point of using the generics. The idea is that you take them as fundamental building blocks. Combat ability, Skills ability, Magic ability, and mix and match to build something that comes close to your character concept. No, you will likely never get it exactly correct, but the point is that you just need to get in the ballpark, and fill in the gaps with roleplaying. Well I get what you are saying I personally don't see spells being equal to bardic musical abilities in feel. And in my own humble opinions there is nothing wrong with mechanics matching what you are role-playing. For instance I want to play scout because one the skirmish ability offers different tactical options and fits with what I want to play better. Sure I could sorta do it with a Ranger/Rogue(or a skilled/warrior type) but I personally dislike multi-classing to fullfill role-playing, and it isn't exactly what I want. Then there are the classes out there that make certain concepts much more balanced with others like Swashbucklers. I do agree with you classes aren't needed like Samuri and Ninja. Others are too specialize like Spell Thief which is great if you are fighting a ton of living spellcasters but against non- living spellcasters or non-spellcasters a commoner would be just as useful. But overall I perfer options that cut down on the need to multiclass.
PoeticJustice 05-05-07, 09:40 AM	Just like you don't have to have Death Attack to be an assassin (aka, kill people for money), you don't have to have Bardic Music to be a bard. When using the generic classes, its not about trying to replicate the specific ones, as that defeats the point of using the generics. The idea is that you take them as fundamental building blocks. Combat ability, Skills ability, Magic ability, and mix and match to build something that comes close to your character concept. No, you will likely never get it exactly correct, but the point is that you just need to get in the ballpark, and fill in the gaps with roleplaying. When you're right, you're right. And despite myself, you are right in this. But still... replacing Bardic Music with Spellcasting positively rips the fun out the class for me and mine. I like the idea of generics. I think D&D should be easier and I don't think abilities should define a character, but it doesn't seem like it's as much fun to do away with the nuances and peculiarities of system.
cancerousmango 05-05-07, 01:38 PM	Posting hyperlinks to random awesome stuff (http://www.superdeluxe.com/sd/contentDetail.do?id=D81F2344BF5AC7BBA696 F269B9D88D70629D940E51E3A2C6) that Edy will snidely denegrate to get a cheap superiority-priapism.
Ardent 05-05-07, 02:36 PM	Historical ninja were samurai, plain and simple. But again, I'm not talking about perfectly replicating every little detail, but you can get a character that is close enough that with proper roleplaying is acceptable. The ninja is a stealth based assassin type character who focuses on, surprise surprise, stealth, unexpected tricks, and the feudal japanese version of "one shot, one kill". Everything that the Rogue can already do.No, I have seen well played bards, I've played several of them (well, not necissarily saying that they were well played because I played them, but you know what I mean). Honestly, I'd be a Ranger sans spellcasting (or with, depending on how much you dig pop-culture ninjas) if I wanted to emulate a ninja without creating a core class.
Edymnion 05-05-07, 02:51 PM	Well I get what you are saying I personally don't see spells being equal to bardic musical abilities in feel.Thats just it, mechanics don't HAVE a feel. Flavor does. "XdY points of Energy Damage 3 at Z feet" doesn't have a feel. Its just pure mechanics. There is nothing cool about, there is nothing to make it feel like arcane or divine, it isn't until you start adding flavor to it that it gains a "feel", and flavor can be changed. Stinking Cloud can easily become "Zone of Orgasmic Pleasure" by simply changing the flavor from "It stinks and makes you nausious" to "It makes you overcome with pure pleasure to the point it is difficult to think about anything else". Becomes a totally differant spell, and all you did was change the roleplaying.
Ryuu_Tenshi 05-05-07, 02:54 PM	Historical ninja were samurai, plain and simple. But again, I'm not talking about perfectly replicating every little detail, but you can get a character that is close enough that with proper roleplaying is acceptable. The ninja is a stealth based assassin type character who focuses on, surprise surprise, stealth, unexpected tricks, and the feudal japanese version of "one shot, one kill". Everything that the Rogue can already do. Eh, I concede the point then.
Ryuu_Tenshi 05-05-07, 02:56 PM	Thats just it, mechanics don't HAVE a feel. Flavor does. "XdY points of Energy Damage 3 at Z feet" doesn't have a feel. Its just pure mechanics. There is nothing cool about, there is nothing to make it feel like arcane or divine, it isn't until you start adding flavor to it that it gains a "feel", and flavor can be changed. Stinking Cloud can easily become "Zone of Orgasmic Pleasure" by simply changing the flavor from "It stinks and makes you nausious" to "It makes you overcome with pure pleasure to the point it is difficult to think about anything else". Becomes a totally differant spell, and all you did was change the roleplaying. Which is why Psionics > Vancian-style casting if you alter the flavor >>; it's just easier to use, dude. <<; *Runs away as people pelt her with rocks*
Eled_the_Worm_Tamer 05-05-07, 03:58 PM	New offical Campehgn ark. 'I, warforged.' baseed of the film thats important. the film. Im asuming hes relitavly intelegent so he must have hated it, I also vaugely recall he did a Dilbert mock up on how awfull the film was.
Arcane Guyver 05-05-07, 06:38 PM	Honestly, I'd be a Ranger sans spellcasting (or with, depending on how much you dig pop-culture ninjas) if I wanted to emulate a ninja without creating a core class. Well, I always thought the Assassin PrC makes a fine ninja.
Ryuu_Tenshi 05-05-07, 10:19 PM	Well, I always thought the Assassin PrC makes a fine ninja. No.
Vharuck 05-06-07, 02:15 AM	I'm afraid you may get banned for saying that... :eek:
cancerousmango 05-06-07, 02:20 AM	I'm afraid you may get banned for saying that... :eek: Finally. I've been trying for years.. P.S. You live in York? Why?
ORC_Paradox 05-06-07, 03:00 AM	Instead of trying to get banned, I'd suggest just not posting.
cancerousmango 05-06-07, 03:24 AM	Instead of trying to get banned, I'd suggest just not posting. I'm laughing so hard you made me fart.
johnkretzer 05-06-07, 03:48 AM	Thats just it, mechanics don't HAVE a feel. Flavor does. "XdY points of Energy Damage 3 at Z feet" doesn't have a feel. Its just pure mechanics. There is nothing cool about, there is nothing to make it feel like arcane or divine, it isn't until you start adding flavor to it that it gains a "feel", and flavor can be changed. Stinking Cloud can easily become "Zone of Orgasmic Pleasure" by simply changing the flavor from "It stinks and makes you nausious" to "It makes you overcome with pure pleasure to the point it is difficult to think about anything else". Becomes a totally differant spell, and all you did was change the roleplaying. No you also changed the mechanic of the spell too by doing that...Taking your example....why would a creature who has a necklace of adaption be immune to pleasure? All I am saying is adding mechanics doesn't destroy flavor. Also adding flavor though can upset the mechanics of game. I guess I just see the two as more connected in a good way then you do. Also really the game has actualy very few fundmentals mechanics that the rest work off that they aren't really that diffitcult to get. Also if you told me you wanted to play a bard as a rogue/wizard who has to cast spells by singing I would tell you to just play a Bard. Why? The flavor of a bard singing to cast spells is already written as flavor and a game mechanic. Why make it more complex?
Edymnion 05-06-07, 12:31 PM	No you also changed the mechanic of the spell too by doing that...Taking your example....why would a creature who has a necklace of adaption be immune to pleasure? Because its pheromone based and they don't breath it in?
johnkretzer 05-06-07, 08:56 PM	Because its pheromone based and they don't breath it in? A Necklace of Adaption adapts to a hostile enviroment...pheromones in the air isn't a hostile enviroment. It is actual quite natural.
Nived 05-07-07, 02:44 AM	If the levels in the air are high enough to effect you then its a poison and the necklace of adaptation will shield you from it. Water is also 'quite natural' but the necklace keeps you from breathing it in, poison spores from a fungus are also 'quite natural' but you are protected from it. Anything in exceedingly high doeses will kill you.
Joni-san 05-07-07, 09:49 AM	Stinking Cloud can easily become "Zone of Orgasmic Pleasure" by simply changing the flavor from "It stinks and makes you nausious" to "It makes you overcome with pure pleasure to the point it is difficult to think about anything else". Becomes a totally differant spell, and all you did was change the roleplaying. Slaanesh is pleased!
Altar_Boy 05-07-07, 08:08 PM	Incarnum-powered airships. Like Elemental binding, but with floating appendages.
cancerousmango 05-07-07, 10:37 PM	Incarnum-powered airships. Like Elemental binding, but with floating appendages.Incarnum powered airships would somehow be lamer. God. I hated how the races were just cheesecake white people with purple scales here and there. The airship would have purple scales.
JulesCARV 05-08-07, 02:29 AM	Ooh. here's one (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=12318006&postcount=32) that I seriously proposed in earnest that should irritate Edymnion: an orc Gatekeeper whose reverence for Vvaraak leads him to undergo physical emulation of the dragon: Orc barbarian 2/orc paragon 3/duskblade 5/dragon disciple 10
JulesCARV 05-08-07, 06:21 AM	Another potential Edymnion-irritation idea -- a bit of a hoary old chestnut that most have probably seen before, but hopefull still has irritation potential. 1. During downtime, have your level 17+ psion, wizard, sorcerer, and/or cleric characters fight each other to the death. 2. Insist that, because these are CR 17+ encounters vs. ECL 17+ characters, the victorious characters get 5,100 XP (at least), as per DMG 38. 3. If the party includes a psion who knows Psionic Revivify, bring the losing person back for 200 xp, the party coming out at least 4,900 xp ahead (so long as the psion is occassionally the victor in these fights to the death). If not, use wish or reality revision to get 25,000 gp worth of daimonds, then have a cleric cast True Resurrection, which at least leaves the victorious sorcerer, psion, or wizard ahead by at least 100 xp (5,000 xp go to the wish or reality revision, the rest being surplus). Of course, some might argue that Planar Shepherds with free wishes (or CDiv web expansion Dweomerkeepers with supernatural spells like wish) make some of this obsolete, since you can improve the cheesiness and efficiency by getting rid of the XP component for wishing for diamonds.
Gurv 05-08-07, 08:11 AM	I'm looking 4 a DM so to I can play my character!!!!!1 Hes a Inspired paladin that gets awesome special powers 'cause he met Dol Dorn in a tavern once!!!!!!1 He iz so kewl!!! His special mount is a good-aligned dragon and he travels with this air elemental guy he freed 'cause he knows that elementals are sentient creatures with wants and needs and feelings just like people. Plus he has the Mark of Shadow too, which helps him sneak up on orc hordes so he can kill them in their sleep!!! That is why he is so high level!!!!1 Oh, my paladin's name is Huma Do'Urden, and he fights with the spiked chain, which is such a cool weapon!!!1 So is there ne1 here who can DM me? Cause you're all stupid if you don't!!!!
snakebliskan 05-08-07, 08:28 AM	character desides he is going to kill people in the night for xtra xp while the rest of the party sleeps... or... players decide they all need more xp so they all buy rings of sustanance and go on madening killing spree's during the night. it happened worse part Dm allowed it! and they never got punished for it... i gave up on that game.... dropped out of playing with the group also.
Vharuck 05-08-07, 10:58 AM	Elminster was sent by Mystra to Eberron in order to train as many high level wizards as there is in Faerun. Because he did this for the goddess with whom he has intimate relations, Mystra bumped him up another level of Chosen of Mystra.
Thrincold 05-08-07, 12:02 PM	Elminster was sent by Mystra to Eberron in order to train as many high level wizards as there is in Faerun. Because he did this for the goddess with whom he has intimate relations, Mystra bumped him up another level of Chosen of Mystra. Allowing "chosen of" any god into Eberron would be enough to annoy me, much less Edy, I think.
Edymnion 05-08-07, 12:38 PM	I'm looking 4 a DM so to I can play my character!!!!!1 Hes a Inspired paladin that gets awesome special powers 'cause he met Dol Dorn in a tavern once!!!!!!1 He iz so kewl!!! His special mount is a good-aligned dragon and he travels with this air elemental guy he freed 'cause he knows that elementals are sentient creatures with wants and needs and feelings just like people. Plus he has the Mark of Shadow too, which helps him sneak up on orc hordes so he can kill them in their sleep!!! That is why he is so high level!!!!1 Oh, my paladin's name is Huma Do'Urden, and he fights with the spiked chain, which is such a cool weapon!!!1 So is there ne1 here who can DM me? Cause you're all stupid if you don't!!!!You should be shot. In the face. With a hammer.
Thrincold 05-08-07, 02:23 PM	You should be shot. In the face. With a hammer. And I think we have a winner in the category of annoying Edy ladies and gentlemen. :clap: :bow:
Hideous Phidias 05-08-07, 02:43 PM	I'm looking 4 a DM so to I can play my character!!!!!1 Hes a Inspired paladin that gets awesome special powers 'cause he met Dol Dorn in a tavern once!!!!!!1 He iz so kewl!!! His special mount is a good-aligned dragon and he travels with this air elemental guy he freed 'cause he knows that elementals are sentient creatures with wants and needs and feelings just like people. Plus he has the Mark of Shadow too, which helps him sneak up on orc hordes so he can kill them in their sleep!!! That is why he is so high level!!!!1 Oh, my paladin's name is Huma Do'Urden, and he fights with the spiked chain, which is such a cool weapon!!!1 So is there ne1 here who can DM me? Cause you're all stupid if you don't!!!! One I haven laugh at apost sohrd in a long time. Two, what color dragon?
seTiny 05-08-07, 02:56 PM	I'm looking 4 a DM so to I can play my character!!!!!1 Hes a Inspired paladin that gets awesome special powers 'cause he met Dol Dorn in a tavern once!!!!!!1 He iz so kewl!!! His special mount is a good-aligned dragon and he travels with this air elemental guy he freed 'cause he knows that elementals are sentient creatures with wants and needs and feelings just like people. Plus he has the Mark of Shadow too, which helps him sneak up on orc hordes so he can kill them in their sleep!!! That is why he is so high level!!!!1 Oh, my paladin's name is Huma Do'Urden, and he fights with the spiked chain, which is such a cool weapon!!!1 Its a +10 vorpal spike chain!!!!!1 He knows the draconic prophsey, cause Dol Dorn told him, and that he can never die because the prophsey said he couldn't!!!!!!111 ROXXOR!!!!1 This was proven because he was there at the day of mourning and he is the only survivor, so he knows what happen!!!!! He is soooo full of AWESOME!!!!!!11 So is there ne1 here who can DM me? Cause you're all stupid if you don't!!!! Now for my own: I can't wait for version 4.01 of D&D to come out, you know 4.00 will have soo many bugs, so 4.01 will be AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????!!!!!!!!! !! Hopefully it comes out next year!!!!
cancerousmango 05-08-07, 03:33 PM	My friends and I can't believe I didn't get banned for that comment. We were mainly testing. I'll go back and edit it.
Gurv 05-08-07, 08:12 PM	You should be shot. In the face. With a hammer. And I think we have a winner in the category of annoying Edy ladies and gentlemen. :clap: :bow: Then I guess it was worth it...that post was painful just to write.
Edymnion 05-08-07, 09:24 PM	Then I guess it was worth it...that post was painful just to write.Eh, you could have just waited a few days and somebody would have posted roughly the same thing, you could have copy/pasted that. But honestly, the "I'm looking for players" threads on the Eberron boards do tick me off, especially when people actually ANSWER them. Folks, do *NOT* say you're interested in playing in a game that was advertised that way. The boards are layed out the way they are for a reason. Encourage people to use the proper boards (the gamer's classified boards). Do not encourage them to break the rules and flood the forums here with that sort of thread. And yes, every time somebody sees one of those threads get bites, it just reinforces the idea that its okay, and that its a good way to find players.
Forged_Fury 05-08-07, 09:37 PM	But honestly, the "I'm looking for players" threads on the Eberron boards do tick me off, especially when people actually ANSWER them. Folks, do *NOT* say you're interested in playing in a game that was advertised that way. The boards are layed out the way they are for a reason. Encourage people to use the proper boards (the gamer's classified boards). Do not encourage them to break the rules and flood the forums here with that sort of thread. And yes, every time somebody sees one of those threads get bites, it just reinforces the idea that its okay, and that its a good way to find players. You can also take a quick jaunt over to the Real Adventures (http://boards1.wizards.com/forumdisplay.php?f=278) board for some PbP action... that sounded dirty, didn't it? -FF
DyloniusFunk 05-08-07, 09:38 PM	I'm planning a campaign based in the Mournland. I've decided to allow all healing spells to work normally as well as natural healing. The Mournland is tough enough without all those healing restrictions, those are just tools for bastard DMs to screw their players.
Edymnion 05-08-07, 09:45 PM	I'm planning a campaign based in the Mournland. I've decided to allow all healing spells to work normally as well as natural healing. The Mournland is tough enough without all those healing restrictions, those are just tools for bastard DMs to screw their players.Quick, somebody crown me King of the Bastards! :D
Hideous Phidias 05-09-07, 02:19 AM	Edymnion, your an old school DM right. I am sorry if this has been covered by one of the fools trying to tick you off, but what about monstrous characters? I mean both low level adjustment and ones with hit die. What are your thoughts on Goblin, kobold, gnoll orc or even ogre PCs? And then there are the higher level monsters like minitars, giants or other creatures out of savage speices? I was wondering because if you are a PHB only DM what is the point of buy other books like the Completes or Races in your view? I mean what do you do with a PCs who wants monsteress levels over class levels?
Thrincold 05-09-07, 09:37 AM	Quick, somebody crown me King of the Bastards! :D I think that ship sailed long ago...
Melvin the Mediocre 05-09-07, 11:31 AM	I'm going to run a game but the only books allowed will be phb and Races of Eberron which is the best book of all the Eberron supplements. Kobolds and gnomes make guns which they supply to the 5 Nations. And each of the 5 Nations is run by a different chromatic colored dragon marked 1/2 dragon all spawned by Errandis d'Vol. Cyre's back too, because she undid the mourning. Gurv, your character looks totally sweet. When can we start?
JulesCARV 05-11-07, 07:19 PM	Hmm... what about making a new elven subrace and naming them in Edymnion's honor, as "Edymnion elves?" Maybe give them favored class: incarnate and incarnate substitution levels that are clear upgrades from the basic incarnate class?
Edymnion 05-11-07, 08:31 PM	Edymnion, your an old school DM right. I am sorry if this has been covered by one of the fools trying to tick you off, but what about monstrous characters? I mean both low level adjustment and ones with hit die. What are your thoughts on Goblin, kobold, gnoll orc or even ogre PCs? And then there are the higher level monsters like minitars, giants or other creatures out of savage speices? I was wondering because if you are a PHB only DM what is the point of buy other books like the Completes or Races in your view? I mean what do you do with a PCs who wants monsteress levels over class levels?I approve of Goblin PCs (I actually have a rough outline for a Goblin Artificer I want to play, should I get the chance, essentially he builds magical items out of thrown away "junk"). Hobgoblins make for good PCs, but generally I don't find anything with more than an LA +1 to be viable, and I do not allow you to buy off those LAs.
Vharuck 05-11-07, 10:46 PM	I approve of Goblin PCs (I actually have a rough outline for a Goblin Artificer I want to play, should I get the chance, essentially he builds magical items out of thrown away "junk"). Hobgoblins make for good PCs, but generally I don't find anything with more than an LA +1 to be viable, and I do not allow you to buy off those LAs. I got something real for you now. I'm currently grouped with an ogre. The party consists of 3rd level players. Take this time to look up the ogre's entry. Go ahead, I'll wait. Ok. Now he's a 1st level barbarian, and the player offered a "great" idea: the ECL of a character is determined by adding hit dice and level adjustment. Therefore, if you remove the hit dice, you only need to add the level adjustment! Of course, you keep all the stat bonuses, large size, and cool ogre abilities. Since the LA's +2, an ogre Barbarian 1 with no racial hit dice would have an ECL of 3! I'm sure I don't need to describe our first combat encounter.
Edymnion 05-11-07, 11:25 PM	I'm sure I don't need to describe our first combat encounter.Allow me to do it for you. *SPLAT!* :D
Vharuck 05-12-07, 02:35 AM	Allow me to do it for you. *SPLAT!* :D Well, we also ended the session in agreement that next time we'll sit down and brainstorm rules for how a new feat we came up with for the ogre character, Improvised Weapon Proficiency (basically no more -4 for improvised weapons, didn't seem breakable as long as there weren't +5 logs of brilliant energy laying around the forest), deals with using live (in that case, undead) combatants for projectile or melee weapons.
Toloran 05-12-07, 11:58 AM	I got something real for you now. I'm currently grouped with an ogre. The party consists of 3rd level players. Take this time to look up the ogre's entry. Go ahead, I'll wait. Ok. Now he's a 1st level barbarian, and the player offered a "great" idea: the ECL of a character is determined by adding hit dice and level adjustment. Therefore, if you remove the hit dice, you only need to add the level adjustment! Of course, you keep all the stat bonuses, large size, and cool ogre abilities. Since the LA's +2, an ogre Barbarian 1 with no racial hit dice would have an ECL of 3! I'm sure I don't need to describe our first combat encounter. One of my friends tried pulling something like that on one of my other friends who had never DM'ed before. I forget what the race was but it was something from the plane of shadow and had Hide In Plane Sight, semi-permanent concealment at will, and like a +10 racial bonus to hide checks. It was like LA +2 and had 2-3 racial HD. Well, needless to say, he effectively had greater invisibility 24/7 since nothing could make the spot check to see him when he was hiding.
Edymnion 05-12-07, 02:31 PM	Well, we also ended the session in agreement that next time we'll sit down and brainstorm rules for how a new feat we came up with for the ogre character, Improvised Weapon Proficiency (basically no more -4 for improvised weapons, didn't seem breakable as long as there weren't +5 logs of brilliant energy laying around the forest), deals with using live (in that case, undead) combatants for projectile or melee weapons.Ah, you are referring to the fan favorite feat "Jacky Chan Fighting", which allows you to use any improvised weapon without penalty. :D
Euangelion 05-12-07, 03:56 PM	Hmm... what about making a new elven subrace and naming them in Edymnion's honor, as "Edymnion elves?" Maybe give them favored class: incarnate and incarnate substitution levels that are clear upgrades from the basic incarnate class? I think "Edy's Minions" would work well as a name for them. They have +2 bonuses to every stat, but don't have an LA.
davethebrave371 05-12-07, 08:42 PM	I think "Edy's Minions" would work well as a name for them. They have +2 bonuses to every stat, but don't have an LA. The racial drawback is that their namesake hates them so.
Salathiel 05-13-07, 09:04 AM	Hey, Edy-- What's the LA I should use for my tarrasque paladin? I was thinking like a +2? Melvin, I want to join your game! When do we start?
Ryuu_Tenshi 05-13-07, 03:19 PM	I think "Edy's Minions" would work well as a name for them. They have +2 bonuses to every stat, but don't have an LA. Also, the only difference between them and regular elves, visually, is that they have blue hair.
Edymnion 05-13-07, 07:53 PM	Also, the only difference between them and regular elves, visually, is that they have blue hair.Do they have handlebar ears? (and no, I'm not explaining that if you don't get it)
Melvin the Mediocre 05-14-07, 10:52 AM	Hey, Edy-- What's the LA I should use for my tarrasque paladin? I was thinking like a +2? Melvin, I want to join your game! When do we start? Hey, send my your character. This game is going to rock!
Dragoloth 05-14-07, 11:21 AM	Here are some new weapons I just thought up. 1) The Blade of Eberron- This is a 20 foot long sword usable by any medium or larger creature. Once per round this sword can summon Eberron the dragon to fight for you. Stats for Eberron will be posted later. The Blade of Eberron does 8d12 dmg and is considered a +25 weapon that bypasses all damage reductions. 2) The Khyber Slicer- The Khyber Slicer is a +20 vorpral scythe(3d6 dmg) that crits on a 12, thus activating the vorpral ability. On a critical hit the slicer summons Khyber to consume the victim. 3)Siberys hammer- never mind with the stats on a sucessful hit the opponent dies with no save. Are these weapons broken?
Edymnion 05-14-07, 12:17 PM	Are these weapons broken?Heh, you know there is a thread almost exactly like this over on the combat board right this very moment, right?
Ryuu_Tenshi 05-14-07, 02:08 PM	Do they have handlebar ears? (and no, I'm not explaining that if you don't get it) Blargh. The only thing I could think of that you'd be referencing would be anime elves, who tend to have ears that stick WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY out to the sides of their faces, but... no. no idea what you really mean. ... MAYBE THEY HAVE HANDLEBAR EARS >:O
Melvin the Mediocre 05-14-07, 02:10 PM	no idea what you really mean. ... MAYBE THEY HAVE HANDLEBAR EARS >:O Trust me. Leave it that way.
JulesCARV 05-14-07, 09:10 PM	I wonder if an elan Gatekeeper druid would be a passable Edymnion-irritator.
Dragoloth 05-14-07, 11:42 PM	I actualy stole the idea from that thread. These weapons reflect my feelings of the afore mentioned post.
DragoonDarkfire 05-15-07, 11:13 AM	What about a Daelkyr halfblood druid with the gatekeeper initiate feat. Said Druid: REPEL ABERRATION! Goes flying out of circle
Vharuck 05-15-07, 07:10 PM	I have an idea! A group of marauding Valenar elves got lost, went too far North, and now wander through Karrnath. Because they've been wandering for soooooooooo long (30 years!), they now have these stats: +3 Dex, +2 Int, -5 Cha: They're more agile and smarter than other elves, but more grumpy from being lost. Also, since 2+3=5, I think the bonuses cancel out the penalties. I never liked how they detected secret doors. Now they can use true strike at will, since Valenar elves spend their whole lives fighting. Also, their favored class is Warblade, as this is the latest class-craze I seem to have permanently cleaved to with my undying adoration of its uber-ness, but don't worry; I'll find another fanboi fad soon enough.
Edymnion 05-15-07, 09:59 PM	I have an idea! A group of marauding Valenar elves got lost, went too far North, and now wander through Karrnath. Because they've been wandering for soooooooooo long (30 years!), they now have these stats: +3 Dex, +2 Int, -5 Cha: They're more agile and smarter than other elves, but more grumpy from being lost. Also, since 2+3=5, I think the bonuses cancel out the penalties. I never liked how they detected secret doors. Now they can use true strike at will, since Valenar elves spend their whole lives fighting. Also, their favored class is Warblade, as this is the latest class-craze I seem to have permanently cleaved to with my undying adoration of its uber-ness, but don't worry; I'll find another fanboi fad soon enough.*tosses a buster sword off to the side* Go get it boi, go get it! :D
Vharuck 05-15-07, 10:45 PM	*tosses a buster sword off to the side* Go get it boi, go get it! :D Should I be proud that I don't know what that is?
DragoonDarkfire 05-15-07, 11:20 PM	Should I be proud that I don't know what that is? It's a sword from Final Fantasy VIII often used to poke fun at said fanboys of that franchise.
Edymnion 05-16-07, 08:22 AM	It's a sword from Final Fantasy VIII often used to poke fun at said fanboys of that franchise.Close, but no cigar. The buster sword was Cloud's signature weapon in FFVII. http://www.ffcompendium.com/art/7-cloud-a.jpg There it be.
DarkWarriorKarg 05-16-07, 10:41 AM	Close, but no cigar. The buster sword was Cloud's signature weapon in FFVII. http://www.ffcompendium.com/art/7-cloud-a.jpg There it be. Ahhh so that's what the Large mercurial monkeygripped fullblade looks like....
Edymnion 05-16-07, 12:59 PM	Ahhh so that's what the Large mercurial monkeygripped fullblade looks like....Nah, I'd peg it at nothing more than a simple greatsword. It's extreme width aside, its not actually any bigger than he is, while a claymore was often times longer than the man weilding it was tall. Wait, I think Complete Adventurer/Scoundral covered this. Its a Broadbladed Greatsword.