Post/Author/DateTime	Post
lonewolf 01-13-08, 08:23 PM	If you have no identification papers and want to get some(legal ones) what do you have to do? How do the people issuing those identification papers(probably House Sivis and ?) check if you are who you say you are? Is it as easy as I think it is to use magic like Alter Self to easily get legal but false identification papers? How do changelings affect these issues?
Nived 01-13-08, 08:27 PM	If you've ever had your Social Security and Diver's License stolen... you might have some kind of idea of what you have to do. You have to provide proof that you are who you say you are, which can be a real pain in the rear. Birth records, witnesses who do have ID who are willing to sign legal documents saying you are who you say you are, etc.
lonewolf 01-13-08, 08:38 PM	That works in a modern society(and even there its different from nation to nation). I highly doubt that birth certificates exist for the general population when only "most people of middle and upper classes" have identification papers at all. There are no such things as Drivers licenses and the idea that every person should have a document that proves who he says he is, is a pretty modern one.
Nived 01-13-08, 08:45 PM	It says "Most people of the middle and upper class, in the most civilized areas of Khorvaire, carry identification papers with them at all times." That doesn't mean that lower class people have no form of legal identification.
BlackDragon71425 01-13-08, 10:11 PM	In my game, I use Zone of Truth, best way to make sure they say they are who thy say they are.
Nived 01-13-08, 10:43 PM	The idea of birth certificates and birth records being kept in Galifar doesn't ruin my sense of disbelief. Particularly in Karrnath, under martial law with manditory military service... they'd have a vested interest in knowing how many citizens they have and where they can find them.
lonewolf 01-16-08, 01:10 PM	Any other opinions?
Waywalker 01-16-08, 07:43 PM	I feel that House Sivis would have a magical system in place that would identify a person. You've brought up the obvious trouble of a Changeling or someone using Alter Self, and I believe that House Sivis is experienced enough to be prepared for just such things. In my mind, there is a small booth that you walk in to that is, in effect, either a Dispel Magic or a Zone of Truth. You walk in, state your name, and if you're telling the truth they tell teh authorities. Legal papers should be fairly easy to get, if you're a law-abiding citizen. Falsifying such (legal) documents should be more intensive, although a truly false document in itself would not be that difficult.
OctaviusIII 01-17-08, 04:59 AM	It should be mentioned that there are not only issues with changelings, but they would probably be exceptionally common - 1.1% or so of the continent is changeling, IIRC.