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Wolfen Fenrison
10-22-05, 12:32 PM would monster classes from savage species, planar handbook, and libris mortis be ok ot use in an erberron campaign

more than that should make a monster class only party, or a mixed party of base race/class players and monster class players
Edymnion
10-22-05, 01:03 PM Normally, for any normal setting, I'd say no, not really. But ya know what? This is Eberron! "Monster" races have more acceptance here than any other setting in the game! :D

Goblinoid races like goblins, hobgoblins, etc fit right in as PCs no problems.
Orcs are good PCs as well.

Undead PCs from Libris Mortis are a little trickier, but they fit in very nicely with the Blood of Vol, and possibly Karnnath.

As for the planar guys, I would stay very far away from things like half-celestials and the like, mainly because of how Eberron's planes are constructed. However, the Gensai (the elementally touched guys) actually fit VERY well into the setting. There are manifest zones for all the major elemental planes (Fernia, the lake of fire, for example) that come in and out of phase over the years. Someone born in a Fernia manifest zone when it was cotemerious (or however you spell it :P) could potentially be born as a Fire Gensai. Someone born under the magical influences of the Plane of Fire, who himself (or herself) embodies some of the aspects of that realm.

Top that off with some of the Elemental Grafts from Magic of Eberron, and they would do quite well.
Wolfen Fenrison
10-22-05, 01:32 PM well i have the list in my sig, but iwas specificly thinking of the monstrous classes, i think an vampire spawn class human from karnath would work very well, or an astral deva classed PC sent to take out a radiant idol in sharn, stuff like that

btw should re-print the list here?
LaoKhanWei
10-22-05, 03:55 PM Why wouldn't they be ok normally? Savage Species classes were created for use as PCs in the first place.
Wolfen Fenrison
10-22-05, 04:37 PM i didn't say they wouldnt, what i ment is that savage species recomends that when using monster classes the whole party should be monsters, because its balenced that way. monster classes get fewer hit points, skill points, and feats, these are the bread and butter of most characters but the monstrous class system shorts the PCs something godawful.

for a mixed party of MCs and PCs i would give the monster character max hit points every time it gets a new hit die, plus it get 1 feat at first and 1 every 3 lvs as normal on top of what class gives (which are counted as bonus feats), this is a close of a fix i would go and so far a mixed party using these house rules works, but would this be appropiete for erberron

btw the list is the monster board and D&D general board
Edymnion
10-23-05, 12:09 AM Why wouldn't they be ok normally? Savage Species classes were created for use as PCs in the first place.Honestly, I have very rarely seen somebody play a monster PC that didn't play it just to avoid roleplaying. Oh yeah, sure, they say its for roleplaying, then they play the absolute most typical stereotype they can come up with. Its not really being original, its just using the stereotype from having to come up with anything on your own.

Thats just my opinion though.
In my games at least, you gotta give me a DAMNED good reason why you're playing a monster race, it had better be a well thought out character, and you should realize that if you're playing some wierd monster, chances are you are going to be attacked on sight in "civilized" areas. Eberron has locations where monsters walking the streets are common, and a monster game could do VERY well in one of those cities. But a Beholder floating in through the front gate of Sharn pretty much gets shot on sight in my game.
PoeticJustice
10-23-05, 12:36 AM \ But a Beholder floating in through the front gate of Sharn pretty much gets shot on sight in my game.

I can't help but wonder what the beholder's response would be...
Edymnion
10-23-05, 12:38 AM I can't help but wonder what the beholder's response would be...Ever wonder what happens when a ray of disentigrate hits the base of a skyscraper? ;)
PoeticJustice
10-23-05, 12:56 AM Ever wonder what happens when a ray of disentigrate hits the base of a skyscraper? ;)

Easy (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/sharn_gallery/84605.jpg)
Edymnion
10-23-05, 01:06 AM Easy (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/sharn_gallery/84605.jpg)You got it :D
Wolfen Fenrison
10-23-05, 09:25 PM Master Monster Class List: composed by Wolfen Fenrison
This is the master monster class list, with campaign settings like Eberron that have whole nations of monster (at least two that I know of) and one ruled by undead, this makes a great chance for DMs to dust off their savage species book, but wait now wizards has run with the idea so with a slew of reprints and new monster classes someone has to organize them. This list is for any DM who wants to run a monster campaign or has a player that wants to play a race with a high LA and is on this list or just wants to have more options available for their players. Some of the classes have been reprinted and it is the updated reprints that I use for reference.
The list is compiled by; Name, Number of Levels, starting ability score adjustments, Speed, Size, Hit die (max hit gained) , Skill pts., BAB, Good Saves, Weapon and Armor Proficiency, Spells and/or Spell-like abilities, Recommended class(es) for multiclassing, type(subtype), book title and page number for reference. As a side note for outsiders I removed their alignment subtypes because any intelligent creature can have any alignment, and I removed the extraplanar subtype because realistically an outsider that is a player character is from the prime. When selecting an undead monster class choose a suitable race from the Player Race List for the base race.

Air Elemental: 14 lvs., +4 Dex -4 Int, 100 ft. fly(perfect), Small, d8(8d8), 2 pts., Average, Ref, None, none, barbarian/rogue/fighter/ranger, elemental (air), savage species pg.152

Annis Hag: 12 lvs., +2 Str, 30 ft., Medium, d8(7d8), 2 pts., good, Ref Will, Simple, Simple, 2 spell-like abilities, barbarian/sorcerer/hexblade, monstrous humanoid, savage species pg.153

Aranea: 7 lvs., +2 Dex +2 Cha, 30 ft.(climb 25 ft.), Medium, d8(3d8), 2 pts., good, Fort Ref, Simple, Spells (Sor), bard/rogue/sorcerer/wizard, magical beast (shapechanger), savage species pg.154

Astral Deva: 20 lvs., +2 Cha, 50 ft., medium, d8(12d8), 8 pts., good, Fort Ref Will, Simple/Martial, 19 spell-like abilities, paladin/cleric/favored soul/incarnate, outsider (angel), savage species pg.155

Athach: 19 lvs., -4 Int +2 Wis -4 Cha, 30 ft., medium, d8(14d8), 2 pts., average, Will, Simple/Light, none, barbarian/fighter/soul knife, aberration, savage species pg.156

Avoral: 15 lvs., +2 Dex +2 Cha, 40 ft.(fly 30ft.), Medium, d8(7d8), 8 pts., good, Fort Ref Will, Simple/Martial, 13 spell-like abilities, ranger/cleric/scout, outsider (guardinal), planar handbook pg.19

Azer: 6 lvs., +2 Con -2 Cha, 30 ft., Medium, d8(2d8), 8 pts., good, Fort Ref Will, Simple/Martial/Light/Medium/Shields, none, fighter/samurai/cleric, outsider (fire), savage species pg.158

Barghest: 12 lvs., +2 Str +2 Con, 30 ft., Medium, d8(6d8), 8 pts., good, Fort Ref Will, Simple/Martial, 7 spell-like abilities, warlock/hexblade/paladin, outsider (shapechanger), savage species pg.159

Belker: 12 lvs., +2 Dex -4 Int, 30 ft., Medium, d8(7d8), 8 pts., average, Ref, none, none, fighter/rogue/scout, elemental (air)

Centaur: 6 lvs., +2 Dex -2 Int, 40 ft., Medium, d8(4d8), 2 pts., good, Ref Will, Simple/Special list, none, ranger/fighter/scout/totemist, monstrous humanoid, races of the wild pg.98

Chain Devil (Kyton): 14 lvs., +2 Str -4 Int, 30 ft., medium, d8(8d8), 8 pts., good, fort ref will, simple/martial/special list, none, rouge/fighter/barbarian/hexblade, outsider, planar handbook pg.21

Djinni (Genie): 13 lvs., +2 Dex +2 Int, 20 ft.(fly 30 ft., perfect), Medium, d8(7d8), 8 pts., good, Fort Ref Will, Simple/Martial, 7 spell-like abilities, fighter/rogue/sorcerer/wizard, outsider (air), savage species pg.161

Doppelganger: 8 lvs., +2 Con, 30 ft., medium, d8(4d8), 2 pts., good, ref will, simple, none, rogue/ninja/spell-thief, monstrous humanoid (shapechanger), races of destiny pg.96

Drider: 10 lvs., +2 Dex +2 Int +2 Cha, 30 ft.(climb 15 ft.), Medium, d8(6d8), 2 pts., average, Will, Simple/Light/Medium/Shields or Simple or Special list, Spells (Clr, Sor, or Wiz) 13 spell-like abilities, sorcerer/cleric/wizard, aberration, savage species pg.163

Earth Elemental: 13 lvs., +4 Str -2 Dex -4 Int, 20 ft., Small, d8(8d8), 2 pts., average, Fort, none, none, barbarian/fighter/samurai, elemental (earth), savage species pg.163

Efreeti: 19 lvs., +2 Str +2 Con, 20 ft., medium, d8(10d8), 8 pts., good, fort ref will, simple/martial, 10 spell-like abilities, barbaian/fighter/sorcerer/wizard, outsider (evil, fire), savage species pg.164

Ettercap: 9 lvs., +4 Dex -4 Int -2 Cha, 30 ft. (climb 30 ft.), medium, d8(5d8), 2 pts., average, will, none, none, rogue/ninja/monk, abberation, savage species pg.165

Feral Gargun: 4 lvs., +2 Str -2 Int -2 Cha, 30 ft., medium, d8(2d8), 2 pts., good, ref will, simple, none, barbarian/fighter/ranger/totemist, monstrous humnaoid, races of stone pg.92

Fire Elemental: 14 lvs., +4 Dex -4 Int, 50 ft, small, d8(8d8), 2 pts., average, ref, none, none, fighter/barbarian/rogue, elemental (fire), savage species pg.166

Fire Giant: 19 lvs., +4 Str, 40 ft., medium, d8 (15d8), 2 pts., average., fort., simple/martial/light/medium/shield, none, fighter/barbarain/hexblade, giant (fire), savage species pg.167

Flamebrother Salamander: 7 lvs., +2 Int +2 Wis, 20 ft., small, d8(3d8), 8 pts., good, fort ref will, simple/martial, none, fighter/samurai/barbarian, outsider (fire), savage species pg.168

Flesh Golem: 15 lvs., -2 Dex -6 Int -- Con 1 Cha, 30 ft. (can't run), medium, d10(9d10), 2 pts., average, none, none, none, fighter/samurai, construct, savage species pg.169

Frost Giant: 18 lvs., +4 Str, 40 ft., medium, d8(14d8), 2 pts., average, fort, simple/martial/light/medium/shield, none, fighter/barbarian/samurai, giant (cold), savage species pg.170

Ghaele Eladrin: 20 lvs., none, 50 ft., medium, d8(10d8), 8 pts., good, fort ref will, simple/martial, spells (clr) 19 spell-like abilities, cleric/favored soul/paladin/soulborn, outsider (chaotic, good), savage species pg.171

Ghoul/Ghast: 8 lvs., +2 Dex +2 Wis -- Con, speed of base race, size of base race, d12(8d12), 4 pts., average, will, simple, none, rouge/scout/ninja/fighter, undead, libris mortis pg. 35

Gnoll: 3 lvs., +2 Str -2 Int -2 Cha, 30 ft., medium, d8(2d8), 2 pts., average, ref, simple/martial/light/shield, none, ranger/scout/fighter, humanoid (gnoll), races of the wild pg.102

Green Hag: 14 lvs., +2 Int +2 Wis, 30 ft. (swim 30 ft.), medium, d8(9d8), 2 pts., good, ref will, simple, 7 spell-like abilities, cleric/wu jen/spirit shaman, monstrous humanoid (aquatic), savage species pg.174

Griffon: 10 lvs., -6 int -2 Cha, 30 ft., medium, d10(7d10), 2 pts., good, fort ref, none, none, fighter/ranger/scout, magical beast, savage species pg.174

Grig: 4 lvs. -6 Str +6 Dex, 20 ft. (fly 20 ft. poor), tiny, d6(1/2d6), 6 pts., poor, ref will, simple/special list/, 5 spell-like abilities, rouge/sorcerer/hexblade/warlock, fey, savage species pg.175

Hamatula (Barbed Devil): 14 lvs., +2 Str +2 Wis, 30 ft., medium, d8(9d8), 8 pts., good, fort ref will, simple/martial, none, 14 spell-like abilities, fighter/samurai/warlock/soulborn, outsider (baatezu), savage species pg.176

Harpy: 10 lvs., +2 Dex -4 Int +2 Cha, 20 ft., medium, d8(7d8), 2 pts., good, ref will, simple, none, bard/rouge/sorcerer, monstrous humanoid, savage species pg.177

Hound Archon: 11 lvs., none, 40 ft., medium, d8(6d8), 8 pts., good, fort ref will, simple/martial, 5 spell-like abilities, fighter/paladin/samuraisoulborn, outsider (archon), planar handbook pg.22

Imp: 7 lvs., +2 dex, 20 ft., tiny, d8(3d8), 8 pts., good, fort ref will, simple/martial, 5 spell-like abilities, rogue/ninja/spell-thief/warlock, outsider, savage species pg.179

Janni: 11 Lvs., +2 Wis, 3o ft., medium, d8(6d8), 8 pts., good, fort ref will, simple/martial/light/medium, 6 spell-like abilities, rogue/ranger/spirit shaman/swashbuckler, outsider, planar handbook pg.24

Lillend: 13 lvs., +2 Int +2 Cha, 20 ft. (fly 70 ft. average), large, d8(7d8), 8 pts., good, fort ref will, simple/martial, spells (brd) 7 spell-like abilities, bard/sorcerer/favored soul/healer, outsier, planar handbook pg.25

Magmin: 6 lvs., -2 Str +2 Dex -2 Int, 30 ft., small, d8(2d8), 2 pts., average, ref, none, none, fighter/barbarian/scout, elemental (fire), savage species pg.183

Medusa: 10 lvs., +2 Dex +2 Cha, 30 ft., medium, d8(6d8), 2 pts., good, ref will, simple/special list, none, fighter/bard/sorcerer, monstrous humanoid, savage species pg.184

Mind Flayer (Illithid): 15 lvs., +2 Int, 30 ft., medium, d8(8d8), 2 pts., average, will, none, 7 spell-like abilities, wizard/sorcerer/psion, aberration, savage species pg.185

Minotaur: 8 lvs., +2 Str +2 Dex -4 Int -2 Cha, 30 ft, medium, d8(6d8), 2 pts., good, ref will, simple/martial/light/medium/shields, none, fighter/barbarian/ranger/totemist, monstrous humanoid, savage species pg.27

Mohrg: 20 lvs., +2 Str -- Con, speed of base race, size of base race, d12(14d12), 4 pts., average, will, simple, none, fighter/barbarian/scout, undead, libris mortis pg.36

Mummy: 13 lvs., +2 Str -- Con -4 Int, speed of base race, size of base race, d12(8d12), 4 pts., average, will, simple, none, sorcerer/cleric/bard/paladin, undead, libris mortis pg.37

Nixie: 4 lvs., -4 Str +4 Dex +4 Cha, 20 ft. (swim 30 ft.), small, d6(1d6), 6 pts., poor, ref will, simple/special list, 2 spell-like abilities, bard/rouge/sorcerer, fey, savage species pg.188

Ogre: 6 lvs., +2 Str -4 Int -4 Cha, 40 ft., medium, d8(4d8), 2 pts., average, fort, simple/martial/light/shield, none, fighter/barbarian/sohei, giant, savage species pg.189

Ogre Mage: 12 lvs., +2 Str +2 Cha, 40 ft., medium, d8(5d8), 2 pts., average, fort, simple/martial/light/shield, 8 spell-like abilities, sorcerer/shugenja/samurai/fighter, giant, savage species pg.189

Pixie: 5 lvs., -4 Str +4 Dex +2 Int +2 Cha, 20 ft., small, d6(1d6), 6 pts., poor, ref will, simple/special list, 13 spell-like abilities, wizard/rouge/sorcerer, fey, savage species pg.190

Rakshasa: 14 lvs., +2 Con +2 Cha, 40 ft., medium, d8(7d8), 8 pts., fort ref will, simple/martial, spells (sor) 1 spell-like abilities, sorcerer/hexblade/warlock/incarnate, outsider, savage species pg.191

Satyr: 7 lvs., +2 Dex +2 Cha, 40 ft., medium, d6(5d6), 6 pts, poor, ref will, simple/special list, none, bard/rouge/spell-thief, fey, savage species pg.192

Sea Hag: 8 lvs. +2 Str +2 Wis, 30 ft. (swim 40 ft.), medium, d8(3d8), 2 pts., good, ref will, simple, none, barbarian/fighter/cleric, monstrous humanoid (aquatic), savage species pg.193

Shadow: 10 lvs., -- Str -- Con -4 Int +2 Cha, fly 40 ft. good, size of base race, d12(3d12), 4 pts., average, will, simple, none, rouge/warlock/hexblade, undead, savage species pg.194

Skulk: 3 lvs., +2 Dex -2 Wis -4 Cha, 30 ft., medium, d8(2d8), 2 pts., average, ref, simple, none, rogue/scout/ninja, humanoid (human), races of destiny pg.106

Stone Giant: 18 lvs., +4 Str, 40 ft., medium, d8(14d8), 2 pts., average, fort, simple/martial/light/shield, none, fighter/paladin/barbarian, giant (earth), savage species pg.195

Stonechild: 6 lvs., +2 Con +2 Int -2 Cha, 30 ft., medium, d8(2d8), 8 pts., good, fort ref will, simple/martial/light/medium/shield, 1 spell-like ability, fighter/samurai/barbarian, outsider (earth), races of stone pg.94

Succubus/Incubus: 12 lvs., +2 Dex +6 Cha, 30 ft., medium, d8(6d8), 8 pts., good, fort ref will, simple/martial, 11 spell-like abilities, warlock/bard/sorcerer/hexblade, outsider (tanar'ri), savage species pg.195

Treant: 12 lvs., +2 Dex +2 Int, 30 ft., medium, d8(7d8), 2 pts., average, fort, none, 1 spell-like abillity, druid/spirit shaman/ranger, plant, savage speicies pg.197

Triton: 5 lvs., +2 Str +2 Con, 5 ft. (swim 40 ft.), medium, d8(3d8), 8 pts., good, fort ref will, simple/martial, 1 spell-like ability, cleric/druid/fighter/wizard, outsider (water), savage species pg.199

Troll: 11 lvs., +4 Str -4 Int -2 Wis -4 Cha., 30 ft., medium, d8(6d8), 2 pts., average, fort, simple/martial, none, barbarian/fighter/ranger, giant, savage species pg.199

Trumpet Archon: 20 lvs., +2 Str +2 Int, 40 ft., medium, d8(12d8), 8 pts., good, fort ref will, simple/martial, spells (clr) 3 spell-like abilities, cleric/paladin/favored soul/soulborn, outsider (archon), savage species pg.200

Umber Hulk: 14 lvs., +2 Str +2 Con -2 Int, 20 ft., medium, d8(8d8), 2 pts., average, will, simple, none, barbarian/fighter/hexblade, aberration, savage species pg.201

Vampire Spawn: 8 lvs., +2 Str +2 Cha -- Con, same as base race, same as base race, d12(4d12), 4 pts., average, will, simple, none, rogue/ninja/scout/warlock, undead, libris mortis pg.38

Vrock: 16 lvs., +2 Str +2 Con +2 Wis, 30 ft., medium, d8(8d8), 8 pts., good, fort ref will, simple/martial, 9 spell-like abilities, barbarian/warlock/fighter/hexblade/soulborn, outsider (tanar'ri), savage species pg.202

Water Elemental: 13 lvs., +2 Str +2 Con -4 Int, 20 ft. (swim 40 ft.), small, d8(8d8), 2 pts., average, fort, none, none, rogue/ranger/scout/monk, elemental (water), savage species pg. 204

Wight: 8 lvs., +2 Dex -- Con, same as base race, same as base race, d12(4d12), 4 pts., average, will, simple, none, rogue/ninja/scout/warlock, undead, libris mortis pg.40
Wolfen Fenrison
10-23-05, 09:27 PM off of this list which would be for PCs in erberron??
LaoKhanWei
10-23-05, 11:24 PM I see no difference between a monster race and a player race. They're all creatures and in most cases they're humanoid. Halflings and Dwarves are in the MM too!
Raziel_Brokodar
10-23-05, 11:28 PM off of this list which would be for PCs in erberron??

Centaur (Eldeen Reaches), Doppelganger (maybe) Gnoll, Medusa, Minotaur, Ogre, Skulk

Gnoll and Ogre are the best from the list you provided...

Bugbear, Gnoll, and Hobgoblin are the best choices.
Brain Picker
10-24-05, 06:51 AM ...You all are right. Monster classes are very appropriate for ebberron. But...they lead to trouble with people who will abuse it. I still get chills... Stupid Asteral Deva that would'nt come down from flight but could somehow hit with its greatsword!

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Wolfen Fenrison 10-22-05, 12:32 PM	would monster classes from savage species, planar handbook, and libris mortis be ok ot use in an erberron campaign more than that should make a monster class only party, or a mixed party of base race/class players and monster class players
Edymnion 10-22-05, 01:03 PM	Normally, for any normal setting, I'd say no, not really. But ya know what? This is Eberron! "Monster" races have more acceptance here than any other setting in the game! :D Goblinoid races like goblins, hobgoblins, etc fit right in as PCs no problems. Orcs are good PCs as well. Undead PCs from Libris Mortis are a little trickier, but they fit in very nicely with the Blood of Vol, and possibly Karnnath. As for the planar guys, I would stay very far away from things like half-celestials and the like, mainly because of how Eberron's planes are constructed. However, the Gensai (the elementally touched guys) actually fit VERY well into the setting. There are manifest zones for all the major elemental planes (Fernia, the lake of fire, for example) that come in and out of phase over the years. Someone born in a Fernia manifest zone when it was cotemerious (or however you spell it :P) could potentially be born as a Fire Gensai. Someone born under the magical influences of the Plane of Fire, who himself (or herself) embodies some of the aspects of that realm. Top that off with some of the Elemental Grafts from Magic of Eberron, and they would do quite well.
Wolfen Fenrison 10-22-05, 01:32 PM	well i have the list in my sig, but iwas specificly thinking of the monstrous classes, i think an vampire spawn class human from karnath would work very well, or an astral deva classed PC sent to take out a radiant idol in sharn, stuff like that btw should re-print the list here?
LaoKhanWei 10-22-05, 03:55 PM	Why wouldn't they be ok normally? Savage Species classes were created for use as PCs in the first place.
Wolfen Fenrison 10-22-05, 04:37 PM	i didn't say they wouldnt, what i ment is that savage species recomends that when using monster classes the whole party should be monsters, because its balenced that way. monster classes get fewer hit points, skill points, and feats, these are the bread and butter of most characters but the monstrous class system shorts the PCs something godawful. for a mixed party of MCs and PCs i would give the monster character max hit points every time it gets a new hit die, plus it get 1 feat at first and 1 every 3 lvs as normal on top of what class gives (which are counted as bonus feats), this is a close of a fix i would go and so far a mixed party using these house rules works, but would this be appropiete for erberron btw the list is the monster board and D&D general board
Edymnion 10-23-05, 12:09 AM	Why wouldn't they be ok normally? Savage Species classes were created for use as PCs in the first place.Honestly, I have very rarely seen somebody play a monster PC that didn't play it just to avoid roleplaying. Oh yeah, sure, they say its for roleplaying, then they play the absolute most typical stereotype they can come up with. Its not really being original, its just using the stereotype from having to come up with anything on your own. Thats just my opinion though. In my games at least, you gotta give me a DAMNED good reason why you're playing a monster race, it had better be a well thought out character, and you should realize that if you're playing some wierd monster, chances are you are going to be attacked on sight in "civilized" areas. Eberron has locations where monsters walking the streets are common, and a monster game could do VERY well in one of those cities. But a Beholder floating in through the front gate of Sharn pretty much gets shot on sight in my game.
PoeticJustice 10-23-05, 12:36 AM	\ But a Beholder floating in through the front gate of Sharn pretty much gets shot on sight in my game. I can't help but wonder what the beholder's response would be...
Edymnion 10-23-05, 12:38 AM	I can't help but wonder what the beholder's response would be...Ever wonder what happens when a ray of disentigrate hits the base of a skyscraper? ;)
PoeticJustice 10-23-05, 12:56 AM	Ever wonder what happens when a ray of disentigrate hits the base of a skyscraper? ;) Easy (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/sharn_gallery/84605.jpg)
Edymnion 10-23-05, 01:06 AM	Easy (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/sharn_gallery/84605.jpg)You got it :D
Wolfen Fenrison 10-23-05, 09:25 PM	Master Monster Class List: composed by Wolfen Fenrison This is the master monster class list, with campaign settings like Eberron that have whole nations of monster (at least two that I know of) and one ruled by undead, this makes a great chance for DMs to dust off their savage species book, but wait now wizards has run with the idea so with a slew of reprints and new monster classes someone has to organize them. This list is for any DM who wants to run a monster campaign or has a player that wants to play a race with a high LA and is on this list or just wants to have more options available for their players. Some of the classes have been reprinted and it is the updated reprints that I use for reference. The list is compiled by; Name, Number of Levels, starting ability score adjustments, Speed, Size, Hit die (max hit gained) , Skill pts., BAB, Good Saves, Weapon and Armor Proficiency, Spells and/or Spell-like abilities, Recommended class(es) for multiclassing, type(subtype), book title and page number for reference. As a side note for outsiders I removed their alignment subtypes because any intelligent creature can have any alignment, and I removed the extraplanar subtype because realistically an outsider that is a player character is from the prime. When selecting an undead monster class choose a suitable race from the Player Race List for the base race. Air Elemental: 14 lvs., +4 Dex -4 Int, 100 ft. fly(perfect), Small, d8(8d8), 2 pts., Average, Ref, None, none, barbarian/rogue/fighter/ranger, elemental (air), savage species pg.152 Annis Hag: 12 lvs., +2 Str, 30 ft., Medium, d8(7d8), 2 pts., good, Ref Will, Simple, Simple, 2 spell-like abilities, barbarian/sorcerer/hexblade, monstrous humanoid, savage species pg.153 Aranea: 7 lvs., +2 Dex +2 Cha, 30 ft.(climb 25 ft.), Medium, d8(3d8), 2 pts., good, Fort Ref, Simple, Spells (Sor), bard/rogue/sorcerer/wizard, magical beast (shapechanger), savage species pg.154 Astral Deva: 20 lvs., +2 Cha, 50 ft., medium, d8(12d8), 8 pts., good, Fort Ref Will, Simple/Martial, 19 spell-like abilities, paladin/cleric/favored soul/incarnate, outsider (angel), savage species pg.155 Athach: 19 lvs., -4 Int +2 Wis -4 Cha, 30 ft., medium, d8(14d8), 2 pts., average, Will, Simple/Light, none, barbarian/fighter/soul knife, aberration, savage species pg.156 Avoral: 15 lvs., +2 Dex +2 Cha, 40 ft.(fly 30ft.), Medium, d8(7d8), 8 pts., good, Fort Ref Will, Simple/Martial, 13 spell-like abilities, ranger/cleric/scout, outsider (guardinal), planar handbook pg.19 Azer: 6 lvs., +2 Con -2 Cha, 30 ft., Medium, d8(2d8), 8 pts., good, Fort Ref Will, Simple/Martial/Light/Medium/Shields, none, fighter/samurai/cleric, outsider (fire), savage species pg.158 Barghest: 12 lvs., +2 Str +2 Con, 30 ft., Medium, d8(6d8), 8 pts., good, Fort Ref Will, Simple/Martial, 7 spell-like abilities, warlock/hexblade/paladin, outsider (shapechanger), savage species pg.159 Belker: 12 lvs., +2 Dex -4 Int, 30 ft., Medium, d8(7d8), 8 pts., average, Ref, none, none, fighter/rogue/scout, elemental (air) Centaur: 6 lvs., +2 Dex -2 Int, 40 ft., Medium, d8(4d8), 2 pts., good, Ref Will, Simple/Special list, none, ranger/fighter/scout/totemist, monstrous humanoid, races of the wild pg.98 Chain Devil (Kyton): 14 lvs., +2 Str -4 Int, 30 ft., medium, d8(8d8), 8 pts., good, fort ref will, simple/martial/special list, none, rouge/fighter/barbarian/hexblade, outsider, planar handbook pg.21 Djinni (Genie): 13 lvs., +2 Dex +2 Int, 20 ft.(fly 30 ft., perfect), Medium, d8(7d8), 8 pts., good, Fort Ref Will, Simple/Martial, 7 spell-like abilities, fighter/rogue/sorcerer/wizard, outsider (air), savage species pg.161 Doppelganger: 8 lvs., +2 Con, 30 ft., medium, d8(4d8), 2 pts., good, ref will, simple, none, rogue/ninja/spell-thief, monstrous humanoid (shapechanger), races of destiny pg.96 Drider: 10 lvs., +2 Dex +2 Int +2 Cha, 30 ft.(climb 15 ft.), Medium, d8(6d8), 2 pts., average, Will, Simple/Light/Medium/Shields or Simple or Special list, Spells (Clr, Sor, or Wiz) 13 spell-like abilities, sorcerer/cleric/wizard, aberration, savage species pg.163 Earth Elemental: 13 lvs., +4 Str -2 Dex -4 Int, 20 ft., Small, d8(8d8), 2 pts., average, Fort, none, none, barbarian/fighter/samurai, elemental (earth), savage species pg.163 Efreeti: 19 lvs., +2 Str +2 Con, 20 ft., medium, d8(10d8), 8 pts., good, fort ref will, simple/martial, 10 spell-like abilities, barbaian/fighter/sorcerer/wizard, outsider (evil, fire), savage species pg.164 Ettercap: 9 lvs., +4 Dex -4 Int -2 Cha, 30 ft. (climb 30 ft.), medium, d8(5d8), 2 pts., average, will, none, none, rogue/ninja/monk, abberation, savage species pg.165 Feral Gargun: 4 lvs., +2 Str -2 Int -2 Cha, 30 ft., medium, d8(2d8), 2 pts., good, ref will, simple, none, barbarian/fighter/ranger/totemist, monstrous humnaoid, races of stone pg.92 Fire Elemental: 14 lvs., +4 Dex -4 Int, 50 ft, small, d8(8d8), 2 pts., average, ref, none, none, fighter/barbarian/rogue, elemental (fire), savage species pg.166 Fire Giant: 19 lvs., +4 Str, 40 ft., medium, d8 (15d8), 2 pts., average., fort., simple/martial/light/medium/shield, none, fighter/barbarain/hexblade, giant (fire), savage species pg.167 Flamebrother Salamander: 7 lvs., +2 Int +2 Wis, 20 ft., small, d8(3d8), 8 pts., good, fort ref will, simple/martial, none, fighter/samurai/barbarian, outsider (fire), savage species pg.168 Flesh Golem: 15 lvs., -2 Dex -6 Int -- Con 1 Cha, 30 ft. (can't run), medium, d10(9d10), 2 pts., average, none, none, none, fighter/samurai, construct, savage species pg.169 Frost Giant: 18 lvs., +4 Str, 40 ft., medium, d8(14d8), 2 pts., average, fort, simple/martial/light/medium/shield, none, fighter/barbarian/samurai, giant (cold), savage species pg.170 Ghaele Eladrin: 20 lvs., none, 50 ft., medium, d8(10d8), 8 pts., good, fort ref will, simple/martial, spells (clr) 19 spell-like abilities, cleric/favored soul/paladin/soulborn, outsider (chaotic, good), savage species pg.171 Ghoul/Ghast: 8 lvs., +2 Dex +2 Wis -- Con, speed of base race, size of base race, d12(8d12), 4 pts., average, will, simple, none, rouge/scout/ninja/fighter, undead, libris mortis pg. 35 Gnoll: 3 lvs., +2 Str -2 Int -2 Cha, 30 ft., medium, d8(2d8), 2 pts., average, ref, simple/martial/light/shield, none, ranger/scout/fighter, humanoid (gnoll), races of the wild pg.102 Green Hag: 14 lvs., +2 Int +2 Wis, 30 ft. (swim 30 ft.), medium, d8(9d8), 2 pts., good, ref will, simple, 7 spell-like abilities, cleric/wu jen/spirit shaman, monstrous humanoid (aquatic), savage species pg.174 Griffon: 10 lvs., -6 int -2 Cha, 30 ft., medium, d10(7d10), 2 pts., good, fort ref, none, none, fighter/ranger/scout, magical beast, savage species pg.174 Grig: 4 lvs. -6 Str +6 Dex, 20 ft. (fly 20 ft. poor), tiny, d6(1/2d6), 6 pts., poor, ref will, simple/special list/, 5 spell-like abilities, rouge/sorcerer/hexblade/warlock, fey, savage species pg.175 Hamatula (Barbed Devil): 14 lvs., +2 Str +2 Wis, 30 ft., medium, d8(9d8), 8 pts., good, fort ref will, simple/martial, none, 14 spell-like abilities, fighter/samurai/warlock/soulborn, outsider (baatezu), savage species pg.176 Harpy: 10 lvs., +2 Dex -4 Int +2 Cha, 20 ft., medium, d8(7d8), 2 pts., good, ref will, simple, none, bard/rouge/sorcerer, monstrous humanoid, savage species pg.177 Hound Archon: 11 lvs., none, 40 ft., medium, d8(6d8), 8 pts., good, fort ref will, simple/martial, 5 spell-like abilities, fighter/paladin/samuraisoulborn, outsider (archon), planar handbook pg.22 Imp: 7 lvs., +2 dex, 20 ft., tiny, d8(3d8), 8 pts., good, fort ref will, simple/martial, 5 spell-like abilities, rogue/ninja/spell-thief/warlock, outsider, savage species pg.179 Janni: 11 Lvs., +2 Wis, 3o ft., medium, d8(6d8), 8 pts., good, fort ref will, simple/martial/light/medium, 6 spell-like abilities, rogue/ranger/spirit shaman/swashbuckler, outsider, planar handbook pg.24 Lillend: 13 lvs., +2 Int +2 Cha, 20 ft. (fly 70 ft. average), large, d8(7d8), 8 pts., good, fort ref will, simple/martial, spells (brd) 7 spell-like abilities, bard/sorcerer/favored soul/healer, outsier, planar handbook pg.25 Magmin: 6 lvs., -2 Str +2 Dex -2 Int, 30 ft., small, d8(2d8), 2 pts., average, ref, none, none, fighter/barbarian/scout, elemental (fire), savage species pg.183 Medusa: 10 lvs., +2 Dex +2 Cha, 30 ft., medium, d8(6d8), 2 pts., good, ref will, simple/special list, none, fighter/bard/sorcerer, monstrous humanoid, savage species pg.184 Mind Flayer (Illithid): 15 lvs., +2 Int, 30 ft., medium, d8(8d8), 2 pts., average, will, none, 7 spell-like abilities, wizard/sorcerer/psion, aberration, savage species pg.185 Minotaur: 8 lvs., +2 Str +2 Dex -4 Int -2 Cha, 30 ft, medium, d8(6d8), 2 pts., good, ref will, simple/martial/light/medium/shields, none, fighter/barbarian/ranger/totemist, monstrous humanoid, savage species pg.27 Mohrg: 20 lvs., +2 Str -- Con, speed of base race, size of base race, d12(14d12), 4 pts., average, will, simple, none, fighter/barbarian/scout, undead, libris mortis pg.36 Mummy: 13 lvs., +2 Str -- Con -4 Int, speed of base race, size of base race, d12(8d12), 4 pts., average, will, simple, none, sorcerer/cleric/bard/paladin, undead, libris mortis pg.37 Nixie: 4 lvs., -4 Str +4 Dex +4 Cha, 20 ft. (swim 30 ft.), small, d6(1d6), 6 pts., poor, ref will, simple/special list, 2 spell-like abilities, bard/rouge/sorcerer, fey, savage species pg.188 Ogre: 6 lvs., +2 Str -4 Int -4 Cha, 40 ft., medium, d8(4d8), 2 pts., average, fort, simple/martial/light/shield, none, fighter/barbarian/sohei, giant, savage species pg.189 Ogre Mage: 12 lvs., +2 Str +2 Cha, 40 ft., medium, d8(5d8), 2 pts., average, fort, simple/martial/light/shield, 8 spell-like abilities, sorcerer/shugenja/samurai/fighter, giant, savage species pg.189 Pixie: 5 lvs., -4 Str +4 Dex +2 Int +2 Cha, 20 ft., small, d6(1d6), 6 pts., poor, ref will, simple/special list, 13 spell-like abilities, wizard/rouge/sorcerer, fey, savage species pg.190 Rakshasa: 14 lvs., +2 Con +2 Cha, 40 ft., medium, d8(7d8), 8 pts., fort ref will, simple/martial, spells (sor) 1 spell-like abilities, sorcerer/hexblade/warlock/incarnate, outsider, savage species pg.191 Satyr: 7 lvs., +2 Dex +2 Cha, 40 ft., medium, d6(5d6), 6 pts, poor, ref will, simple/special list, none, bard/rouge/spell-thief, fey, savage species pg.192 Sea Hag: 8 lvs. +2 Str +2 Wis, 30 ft. (swim 40 ft.), medium, d8(3d8), 2 pts., good, ref will, simple, none, barbarian/fighter/cleric, monstrous humanoid (aquatic), savage species pg.193 Shadow: 10 lvs., -- Str -- Con -4 Int +2 Cha, fly 40 ft. good, size of base race, d12(3d12), 4 pts., average, will, simple, none, rouge/warlock/hexblade, undead, savage species pg.194 Skulk: 3 lvs., +2 Dex -2 Wis -4 Cha, 30 ft., medium, d8(2d8), 2 pts., average, ref, simple, none, rogue/scout/ninja, humanoid (human), races of destiny pg.106 Stone Giant: 18 lvs., +4 Str, 40 ft., medium, d8(14d8), 2 pts., average, fort, simple/martial/light/shield, none, fighter/paladin/barbarian, giant (earth), savage species pg.195 Stonechild: 6 lvs., +2 Con +2 Int -2 Cha, 30 ft., medium, d8(2d8), 8 pts., good, fort ref will, simple/martial/light/medium/shield, 1 spell-like ability, fighter/samurai/barbarian, outsider (earth), races of stone pg.94 Succubus/Incubus: 12 lvs., +2 Dex +6 Cha, 30 ft., medium, d8(6d8), 8 pts., good, fort ref will, simple/martial, 11 spell-like abilities, warlock/bard/sorcerer/hexblade, outsider (tanar'ri), savage species pg.195 Treant: 12 lvs., +2 Dex +2 Int, 30 ft., medium, d8(7d8), 2 pts., average, fort, none, 1 spell-like abillity, druid/spirit shaman/ranger, plant, savage speicies pg.197 Triton: 5 lvs., +2 Str +2 Con, 5 ft. (swim 40 ft.), medium, d8(3d8), 8 pts., good, fort ref will, simple/martial, 1 spell-like ability, cleric/druid/fighter/wizard, outsider (water), savage species pg.199 Troll: 11 lvs., +4 Str -4 Int -2 Wis -4 Cha., 30 ft., medium, d8(6d8), 2 pts., average, fort, simple/martial, none, barbarian/fighter/ranger, giant, savage species pg.199 Trumpet Archon: 20 lvs., +2 Str +2 Int, 40 ft., medium, d8(12d8), 8 pts., good, fort ref will, simple/martial, spells (clr) 3 spell-like abilities, cleric/paladin/favored soul/soulborn, outsider (archon), savage species pg.200 Umber Hulk: 14 lvs., +2 Str +2 Con -2 Int, 20 ft., medium, d8(8d8), 2 pts., average, will, simple, none, barbarian/fighter/hexblade, aberration, savage species pg.201 Vampire Spawn: 8 lvs., +2 Str +2 Cha -- Con, same as base race, same as base race, d12(4d12), 4 pts., average, will, simple, none, rogue/ninja/scout/warlock, undead, libris mortis pg.38 Vrock: 16 lvs., +2 Str +2 Con +2 Wis, 30 ft., medium, d8(8d8), 8 pts., good, fort ref will, simple/martial, 9 spell-like abilities, barbarian/warlock/fighter/hexblade/soulborn, outsider (tanar'ri), savage species pg.202 Water Elemental: 13 lvs., +2 Str +2 Con -4 Int, 20 ft. (swim 40 ft.), small, d8(8d8), 2 pts., average, fort, none, none, rogue/ranger/scout/monk, elemental (water), savage species pg. 204 Wight: 8 lvs., +2 Dex -- Con, same as base race, same as base race, d12(4d12), 4 pts., average, will, simple, none, rogue/ninja/scout/warlock, undead, libris mortis pg.40
Wolfen Fenrison 10-23-05, 09:27 PM	off of this list which would be for PCs in erberron??
LaoKhanWei 10-23-05, 11:24 PM	I see no difference between a monster race and a player race. They're all creatures and in most cases they're humanoid. Halflings and Dwarves are in the MM too!
Raziel_Brokodar 10-23-05, 11:28 PM	off of this list which would be for PCs in erberron?? Centaur (Eldeen Reaches), Doppelganger (maybe) Gnoll, Medusa, Minotaur, Ogre, Skulk Gnoll and Ogre are the best from the list you provided... Bugbear, Gnoll, and Hobgoblin are the best choices.
Brain Picker 10-24-05, 06:51 AM	...You all are right. Monster classes are very appropriate for ebberron. But...they lead to trouble with people who will abuse it. I still get chills... Stupid Asteral Deva that would'nt come down from flight but could somehow hit with its greatsword!