Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Wraith428 01-26-06, 05:40 PM	Anybody else catch the section under half-elves and urban elves which says a half-elf born from the union of a human and an elf can potentially manifest the mark of its parents. Makes half-elves cools again. Not sure how I feel about it though. I guess that one book with the half-elf manifesting the mark of passage was more cannon than I thought. Wraith428
Beleriphon 01-26-06, 06:09 PM	Anybody else catch the section under half-elves and urban elves which says a half-elf born from the union of a human and an elf can potentially manifest the mark of its parents. Makes half-elves cools again. Not sure how I feel about it though. I guess that one book with the half-elf manifesting the mark of passage was more cannon than I thought. Wraith428 At this point we all assume that its a mistake and will be errata'd out, but until such a time..... although when you consider that half-elves already get two good dragonmarks (storm and detection) its not necessary. Nor is it true according to the ECS where you get the rule that the character must belong to specific family line, and be correct race. A half-elf is neither a human nor an elf, and thus wouldn't actually qualify.
Splendide 01-26-06, 06:25 PM	It is a mistake that somehow got past the Eberron-knowledgeable writer and the Eberron-knowledgeable editors and proofreaders. There may be a couple of flaws with the previous sentence. Also, half-elves are already cool.
DBlizzard 01-26-06, 06:59 PM	Keith's already put it up here as errata. It actually seems to be the only significant errata from the entire book, which is pretty good.
Nightchill 01-26-06, 07:24 PM	Mm didn't one of the half-elves in the novels manifest an elven mark? Might be mistaken, will check.
valkeriesmurf 01-26-06, 10:40 PM	There is, it's in The Crimson Talisman.
Beleriphon 01-27-06, 01:55 AM	Mm didn't one of the half-elves in the novels manifest an elven mark? Might be mistaken, will check. *ough*novelsaren'tcanon*cough* As stated the Crimson Talisman's protagonist does carry the mark of passage, although I thought it was really weird and didn't fit the setting. Again I think its a function of story over an imcomplete understanding of the setting. Its possible that at one point this was to be the case, but was later changed and the novel was never fixed. As of the PGtE, don't know why but I can say without fail that it is wrong as the ECS makes what races can have which dragonmarks very clear.
Yare 01-27-06, 04:21 AM	From the SRD: "Elven Blood: For all effects related to race, a half-elf is considered an elf." *shrug*
AvonRekaes 01-27-06, 04:39 AM	Yes, that's in the SRD, and the SRD is the source too look at. Until you go into Eberron. Example: A cleric’s alignment must be within one step of his deity’s (that is, it may be one step away on either the lawful-chaotic axis or the good-evil axis, but not both). A cleric may not be neutral unless his deity’s alignment is also neutral. This is untrue in Eberron, where a specific change is noted on page 35 in the ECS. Half-elves are specifically noted as being an independant race for the purposes of dragonmarks, as noted on the table on page 63 of the ECS. With seperate entries for both Half-Elves and Elves, as well as specific mentioning of Humans and Half-Orcs sharing an entry, it is clear that Half-Elves can only manifest the mark of Detection or Storm. Otherwise the table would read: Shadow Phiarlan Elf, Half-elf ...........Thuranni Elf, Half-elf
jelmore 01-27-06, 03:57 PM	Don't forget that one has to be the appropriate race _and_ able to trace their heredity to one of the dragonmarked houses. A fluff point, but one to keep in mind; technically a Drow is an elf but one would never qualify for the Mark of Shadow (fitting though it may be). However, the Player's Guide to Eberron points out that simply being a member of the race qualifies for Aberrant Dragonmark, and that goes for subraces as well. (I think this is a restatement of a point made in a Dragonshards or Eberron Expanded article.)
Count Nerindil Van Seraph 01-27-06, 10:58 PM	Elves are a distinct race that breed true. They carry their own distinct dragon marks. The Khoravar are a distinct race that breeds true. They carry their own distinct dragon marks. Novels (exept for S:CoT) and (sadly) pretty much everything in RoE, should be ignored. No offence to the OP, but can we PLEASE put this to rest? It has been reiterated many times. BY THE SETTING AUTHER, no less. Sorry again if I offend, The Count :dragon:
DBlizzard 01-27-06, 11:12 PM	However, the Player's Guide to Eberron points out that simply being a member of the race qualifies for Aberrant Dragonmark, and that goes for subraces as well. (I think this is a restatement of a point made in a Dragonshards or Eberron Expanded article.) Actually it's a point that was made in the "Sage Advice" article in Dragon.
Arcane Guyver 01-28-06, 09:05 PM	I believe 'half-elves manifesting elf & human marks' is supposed to be a rare event...it can happen, but highly unlikely. This may be a case of the setting developing in a way differently than what the creator intended, in an attempt to make the material in Races of Destiny (and the aforementioned sucky novel) work better.
Hellcow 01-28-06, 11:51 PM	This may be a case of the setting developing in a way differently than what the creator intended.... It could be... but in this case, it's not. It's clearly contradicted in the Player's Guide itself: For example, only high elves who are members of the House Thuranni or House Phiarlan bloodlines display the Mark of Shadow..." This was a mistake that slipped through editing, plain and simple. As noted above, the fact that it's the only major error people have found in the PG so far is itself pretty remarkable.