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JulesCARV 04-21-07, 01:10 PM	I'm curious about which faith you think would be most likely to have a human(oid?) cleric/renegade mastermaker. Onatar/The Sovereign Host is intriguing, but the Sovereign Host seems like it's usually too maintream and conventional for that sort of thing. It's possible, since the Sovereign Host is very heterogeneous, but it just doesn't seem quite right. I don't think the Lord of Blades would really appreciate a human who tried to become warforged. It would be fradulent by his standards, probably. The Becoming God, perhaps? Could happen, although I'm not sure how many humanoids know about the Becoming God.
Forged_Fury 04-21-07, 06:01 PM	I'd go with the Traveler, honestly. The Wandering God does have Arrtifice as one of his domains. -Forged_Fury
ArcTan 04-22-07, 01:00 PM	I'm curious about which faith you think would be most likely to have a human(oid?) cleric/renegade mastermaker. Onatar/The Sovereign Host is intriguing, but the Sovereign Host seems like it's usually too maintream and conventional for that sort of thing. It's possible, since the Sovereign Host is very heterogeneous, but it just doesn't seem quite right. The whole theme is that it's the conventional, hardworking, civic-minded Artificers who worship Onatar. The crazy, risk-taking, unbalanced Artificers worship the Traveller. The vast majority of people who would even consider becoming Renegade Mastermakers would fall into the latter category. I don't think the Lord of Blades would really appreciate a human who tried to become warforged. It would be fradulent by his standards, probably. I think it would depend a lot on that person's specific motivations and loyalties. It could really go either way -- the Lord of Blades is, at least as I see him, more politician than prophet, and not that easy to predict based on any particular dogma. Of course, the Lord of Blades isn't really a "faith" as such. It's a faith insofar as it's a political movement with religious overtones -- I think anyone who zealously believes that the LoB is his great leader and will do anything to further the LoB's agenda can become a Cleric of the Lord of Blades. But the actual doctrine there seems really malleable to me. (Take the Becoming God -- we have no idea whether the Lord of Blades wants to be their ally or not, and it seems to me that it really depends on how useful the Becoming God is to him, not on the philosophical implications of the Becoming God.) Going with the Traveller thing, by the way, there are various worshippers of the Traveller in his guise as Artificer and bearer of treacherous technological gifts who see the Lord of Blades as an aspect or avatar of the Traveller, whether or not the LoB himself is aware of it or agrees with it. By the way, with all the theories floating around about who the LoB is, there's a tantalizing possibility that he himself *is* a Renegade Mastermaker -- that Aaren d'Cannith was the one who discovered how to transform a Human into a Warforged and has possibly gone further than any other on that path, becoming a Warforged in every physical way, and adopted Warforged identity to fight on behalf of his poor tormented creations. If this is the truth, then the question of how a Renegade Mastermaker from Magic of Eberron would be seen by the Lord of Blades is a very interesting and complex one. The Becoming God, perhaps? Could happen, although I'm not sure how many humanoids know about the Becoming God. The concept of becoming a Renegade Mastermaker seems to me *exactly* what the Becoming God is all about, though I'm not sure how they'd react to a version of it that came from a humanoid rather than themselves.
Just another user 04-22-07, 02:11 PM	The Shadow is the god of "things men are not meant to know". Becoming a construct probably qualify.
ornitholestes 04-22-07, 02:52 PM	The cult of the dragon below is an obvious possibility. While, there is no specific fluff to support this, they are in to all sorts of horrible, insane, and inconceivable things. Turning oneself into a machine seems to fit right in. Another possibility might be the blood of Vol. They embrace undead champions and are constantly researching ways to defeat death. While becoming a warforged (and loosing one's blood) is probably not an ideal solution for them, it might be a step they are at least willing to experiment with - or at least dupe someone into doing for their own purposes. A final, intriguing possibility, would be a cleric of the Silver Flame. I could see a fanatical follower who is trying to become a machine in order to remove any temptations towards sins of the flesh. I doubt (s)he would accepted by the mainstream of the church, but bizarre sects are always possible in Eberron.
gaerfindel 04-23-07, 10:08 AM	Let's not forget that there are many and varied cults devoted to individual or odd-seeming (at first) groupings of the Nine and Six. As a canon example; There's a cult, I forget the right & proper name--alas, I don't have my copy of FoE with me--which joins the mad, creative passions of the Fury with the industry of Onatar. Many in House Cannith have secret shrines to this cult, as they believe that true genuis can only be reached during ecstatic altered states. (How large this "underground" cult is depends entirely on the whims of the DM.)
JulesCARV 04-23-07, 11:23 AM	Wait... does RMM advance any spellcasting/infusing, does it advance arcane but not divine spellcasting?
Cifer 04-23-07, 06:00 PM	Wait... does RMM advance any spellcasting/infusing, does it advance arcane but not divine spellcasting? It advances one spellcasting class on all but two levels. It doesn't specify whether it has to be arcane, divine or artificing although the artificer of course has the easiest way into the class.
Dragoloth 04-23-07, 08:59 PM	A renegade master maker might impress the LoB. Imitation is after all the sincerest form of flatery. [Plot Hook] A renegade mastermaker (possibly your PC) Joins the LoB and works on a way to make a lower class of warforged, the converted. Possibly an eldritch machine that turns converts into warforged. "The flesh is weak, we can make it strong". Back on topic. I can see the Lord of Blades definately accepting a renegade mastermaker into the fold. Recognizing that the mastermaker is a convert that sees the perfection that is the warforged.
JulesCARV 04-23-07, 10:19 PM	Okay. I just thought I read that it was arcane and infusing only, somewhere. Now, the question is -- what druidic sect would be the most likely to have a renegade mastermaker? Just kidding. Although maybe if I were in one of Edymnion's games, I'd like to play a wild elf Ashbound druid/renegade mastermaker/warforged juggernaut/reforged.