construct + shrink item = mini-marut? [Archive] - Wizards Community

construct + shrink item = mini-marut? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
swoboftw
04-26-07, 12:28 AM With the 'craft construct' feat, my dwarf artificer can create constructs much larger than himself - thus raising an issue of portability. Can the spell 'shrink item' target a construct? A living constuct? A golem even?
Belabras
04-26-07, 01:50 AM It's a creature, not an item. So no.
Millenia
04-26-07, 04:06 AM Many constructs are themselves mobile anyways. ^^;a
Cifer
04-27-07, 08:21 AM Many constructs are themselves mobile anyways. ^^;a
That's kind of the idea behind them, isn't it?

For the actual question, repeat after me: Constructs are creatures, not items!
swoboftw
04-27-07, 12:39 PM hehe i just thought it would be cool to have a box of golems, and pick one out whenever i need one..
Edymnion
04-28-07, 12:50 AM You would need Shrink Monster, not Shrink Item, which would be substantially more expensive.
Cifer
04-28-07, 07:20 AM Do shrink and enlarge monster exist and if so, where can they be found?
Yadot
04-28-07, 03:02 PM There is no shink or enlarge monster spells that I know of but an item of compression (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/compression.htm) and expansion (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/expansion.htm) should do the trick.
ArcTan
04-28-07, 07:45 PM hehe i just thought it would be cool to have a box of golems, and pick one out whenever i need one..

Make a variant version of the figurines of wondrous power.
Edymnion
04-30-07, 08:54 PM There is no shink or enlarge monster spells that I know of but an item of compression (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/compression.htm) and expansion (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/expansion.htm) should do the trick.I could have sworn there was. Same rules as Enlarge Person, only that could be applied to non-humanoids with an appropriate increase in level...
UnderworldLord
05-01-07, 12:40 AM A box of compression, with a spatial anomaly inside would indeed hold several golems. Just make it red and heartshaped and hold a dozen of them. As an artificer who can make golems like cookies, this shouldn't be a problem for you to make.
ArcTan
05-01-07, 03:13 AM I could have sworn there was. Same rules as Enlarge Person, only that could be applied to non-humanoids with an appropriate increase in level...

No, AFAIK no such spell exists in 3rd edition, and I don't remember one from earlier editions either. It might make sense -- in comparison with charm person and charm monster -- but I think it doesn't exist because monsters come in a lot more different sizes already than people, and such a spell would therefore be a lot more flexible and powerful in a way that isn't true of the different charm spells.
ArcTan
05-01-07, 03:15 AM Again, though, the figurine of wondrous power item does what you're looking for most closely, and it -- like many magic items -- doesn't rely on every specific spell you'd think would be necessary to replicate the effect. (All the figurines, despite all the stuff they do, *only* use the spell animate objects, IIRC).

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
swoboftw 04-26-07, 12:28 AM	With the 'craft construct' feat, my dwarf artificer can create constructs much larger than himself - thus raising an issue of portability. Can the spell 'shrink item' target a construct? A living constuct? A golem even?
Belabras 04-26-07, 01:50 AM	It's a creature, not an item. So no.
Millenia 04-26-07, 04:06 AM	Many constructs are themselves mobile anyways. ^^;a
Cifer 04-27-07, 08:21 AM	Many constructs are themselves mobile anyways. ^^;a That's kind of the idea behind them, isn't it? For the actual question, repeat after me: Constructs are creatures, not items!
swoboftw 04-27-07, 12:39 PM	hehe i just thought it would be cool to have a box of golems, and pick one out whenever i need one..
Edymnion 04-28-07, 12:50 AM	You would need Shrink Monster, not Shrink Item, which would be substantially more expensive.
Cifer 04-28-07, 07:20 AM	Do shrink and enlarge monster exist and if so, where can they be found?
Yadot 04-28-07, 03:02 PM	There is no shink or enlarge monster spells that I know of but an item of compression (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/compression.htm) and expansion (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/expansion.htm) should do the trick.
ArcTan 04-28-07, 07:45 PM	hehe i just thought it would be cool to have a box of golems, and pick one out whenever i need one.. Make a variant version of the figurines of wondrous power.
Edymnion 04-30-07, 08:54 PM	There is no shink or enlarge monster spells that I know of but an item of compression (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/compression.htm) and expansion (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/expansion.htm) should do the trick.I could have sworn there was. Same rules as Enlarge Person, only that could be applied to non-humanoids with an appropriate increase in level...
UnderworldLord 05-01-07, 12:40 AM	A box of compression, with a spatial anomaly inside would indeed hold several golems. Just make it red and heartshaped and hold a dozen of them. As an artificer who can make golems like cookies, this shouldn't be a problem for you to make.
ArcTan 05-01-07, 03:13 AM	I could have sworn there was. Same rules as Enlarge Person, only that could be applied to non-humanoids with an appropriate increase in level... No, AFAIK no such spell exists in 3rd edition, and I don't remember one from earlier editions either. It might make sense -- in comparison with charm person and charm monster -- but I think it doesn't exist because monsters come in a lot more different sizes already than people, and such a spell would therefore be a lot more flexible and powerful in a way that isn't true of the different charm spells.
ArcTan 05-01-07, 03:15 AM	Again, though, the figurine of wondrous power item does what you're looking for most closely, and it -- like many magic items -- doesn't rely on every specific spell you'd think would be necessary to replicate the effect. (All the figurines, despite all the stuff they do, only use the spell animate objects, IIRC).