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rice830 05-13-07, 11:22 PM	~So, what are the God equivilents for determining relics, because i would like to know, as it is going to be important in my game. ~All help is welcomed and thanked.
WarlockDa 05-16-07, 06:37 PM	slightly OT....but this is really something i'd like to see has a mini-Eberron expanded. A list of what the normal D&D patheon is equal to in Eberron for items, PrCs, and the like. As much as WotC pushes Eberron and FR,....you'd think the non-campaign books would have a little note covering that...like in the last couple MMs.
rice830 05-16-07, 09:18 PM	~You see, I know I saw a chart that showed the Greyhawk Gods and Eberron Gods and their equivilents, but I cant find it now. ~I'm quite sure that Wee Jas was The Undying Court, but I'm not positive.
mhacdebhandia 05-17-07, 02:50 AM	I'd do it this way. Boccob - Aureon. Fairly straightforward. Corellon Larethian - Olladra. Music and arts makes the connection here. Ehlonna - Balinor. She's not really a harvest goddess like Arawai. Fharlanghn - The Traveler. Hilarious. Garl Glittergold - Olladra. Again, humour makes the connection - it's better than Corellon, actually. Gruumsh - The Dragon Below. Alternatively, the Mockery. It depends on whether or not you want to emphasise the cthonic, brutal aspects of Gruumsh, or the cruel, warlike aspects. Heironeous - Dol Arrah. Straight across. Hextor - The Mockery. A less elegant choice, but the Dark Six don't really do tyranny. Kord - Dol Dorn. I mean, come on. Moradin - Onatar. That one's easy. Nerull - The Keeper. Ditto. Obad-Hai - Balinor, again. Olidammara - Olladra. Pelor - The Silver Flame. Yes, Dol Arrah is the sun goddess, but I think the Silver Flame's mandate is a better fit for the way Pelor's church is presented, especially in current material. Saint Cuthbert - Dol Arrah. The Silver Flame is a workable comparison, but Saint Cuthbert isn't quite as active in seeking out evil. Vecna - The Shadow. Pretty easy. Wee Jas - Aureon. Controversial! But I think it fits. She's an orderly goddess, so the Shadow isn't appropriate. Yondalla - Boldrei, for sure. Now, these aren't absolute. If there were a prestige class or item associated with Saint Cuthbert that was focused on the forthright destruction of evil, I could see where it might fit with the Church of the Silver Flame. Some Wee Jas, Nerull, or Vecna-specific material might be appropriate for the Blood of Vol, too.
DragoonDarkfire 05-18-07, 04:04 PM	Vecna - The Shadow. Pretty easy. Actually I'd say the Blood of Vol is more in common with Vecna.
dhorne 05-18-07, 05:42 PM	I found a list of god converts in a unlikely place. In the RPGA Mak of Heroes, campaign Standards there is a list of what they have decided for the conversion. Here is the link http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ebmoh/welcome
mhacdebhandia 05-18-07, 08:25 PM	Actually I'd say the Blood of Vol is more in common with Vecna. I disagree. Vecna was a lich, sure, but Vecna's portfolio is secrets, hidden knowledge, and destructive and evil magic. This fits better with the "dark side of magic" theme of the Shadow. Vecna could be translated into a great hero of the Blood of Vol's fight against death, though, if you wanted to go that route. His hand and eye could make an appearance as relics of a vanished undead champion of the past.
DragoonDarkfire 05-19-07, 01:08 PM	I disagree. Vecna was a lich, sure, but Vecna's portfolio is secrets, hidden knowledge, and destructive and evil magic. This fits better with the "dark side of magic" theme of the Shadow. Not necessarily. Vol has been manipulating events across the world for centuries. If you look at the majority of her temples, worshipers and sects the only time it was ever publicly open was in Karrnath. Even then it was kept secret to the worshipers that the mastermind behind it all was an ancient lich. So Vol doesn't have anything to do with secrets? Let's see here... Order of the Emerald Claw: Secretly the military arm of Vol. Temples: Almost all of them are secret establishments or pretend to be something else. Karrnath: As I mentioned before the Karrns faith of the Blood was misguided to get them to believe it. To a commoner worshiper of the Blood they believe that they work toward a path of immortality and that the undead are those who have given themselves to try and reach that immortality to escape Dolurrh. Frankly Vol seems to be all about secrets and dark magic as well (since necromancy and undead would probably fall into that category).
mhacdebhandia 05-19-07, 06:26 PM	I disagree with your interpretation that the average follower of the Blood of Vol is "misguided". Have you read Keith's thoughts on the subject, in other threads around here? His interpretation - which I share - is that the vast majority of congregants and priests of the Blood of Vol genuinely believe in the public tenets of the religion - blood is life, immortality is our birthright, death is something to be defeated, free-willed undead are our martyred champions in that fight, never seeing true immortality themselves but fighting to win it for us nevertheless. I guess saying the rank-and-file of the Blood of Vol are misguided is like saying that the rank-and-file of the Roman Catholic Church would be misguided if it turned out that some cardinals and other high-level priests secretly served some shadowy master. It doesn't make their faith in the church's teachings misguided - it just means that some highly-placed men are not really in service to the faith. That's why I don't consider the fact that Vol and those followers of the faith who know of and serve her are secretive to be particularly meaningful when we're talking about an association with Vecna, the god of secrets and hidden knowledge, especially destructive or evil magic. Now, obviously, all I did was state my opinion - I'm not giving out canon rulings here, after all - but I don't think the fact that the Blood of Vol is an evil religion with secretive masters makes it anywhere near as good a match for a god of secrets and evil magic as the Shadow, who is explicitly associated with the darkside of magic, secrets, and darkness: . . . the Shadow is the figurative dark side of the god of magic as well . . . The Shadow is revered by anyone who uses magic for evil ends. The traditional deities of magic-using and psionic monsters are often identified as aspects of the Shadow, particularly if their portfolios include secrecy and darkness. Player's Guide to Eberron, p. 33. Then again, the same book provided the inspiration for my suggestion that Vecna could be transformed into an undead champion from the history of the Blood of Vol: the Nightclaw (p. 23) is the severed hand of a lich, and made me think of the Hand of Vecna along with his Eye. Since Vecna was not traditionally a deity, I might lean towards this sort of thing for the lich himself, while associating those who worship him with the Shadow - sort of a crowbar separation of the two streams of identity Vecna has had over the various editions.
DragoonDarkfire 05-19-07, 08:36 PM	I disagree with your interpretation that the average follower of the Blood of Vol is "misguided". Have you read Keith's thoughts on the subject, in other threads around here? His interpretation - which I share - is that the vast majority of congregants and priests of the Blood of Vol genuinely believe in the public tenets of the religion - blood is life, immortality is our birthright, death is something to be defeated, free-willed undead are our martyred champions in that fight, never seeing true immortality themselves but fighting to win it for us nevertheless. Perhaps "misguided" was the wrong term. They're simply in the dark about the ACTUAL terms of the faith, or more simply it's origin. How many commoners actually know that forefront of their religion is an ancient lich who wishes to become the god of Eberron (which I believe is stated in the ECS)? And what I said was basically what you're saying. The average commoner worshiper of the Blood of Vol is tolerant and perhaps even reverent to undead but he doesn't know of the Bloods darker half. I guess saying the rank-and-file of the Blood of Vol are misguided is like saying that the rank-and-file of the Roman Catholic Church would be misguided if it turned out that some cardinals and other high-level priests secretly served some shadowy master. It doesn't make their faith in the church's teachings misguided - it just means that some highly-placed men are not really in service to the faith. Not quite. Vol was the one who STARTED the faith and spread it to Karrnath. The people are misguided because they follow a faith that was instigated by an overtly corrupt force. Think of it like this: Are the Redrians misguided for following the inspired? Why yes they probably are. Because we know that the Inspired are the hosts for evil quori spirits that want to subvert and control the entire world and the Reidrians just go about doing whatever they say without question. The same could be applied to the Blood of Vol. How could you say that the generally good or neutral worshipers are not misguided when they technically serve an evil force? That's why I don't consider the fact that Vol and those followers of the faith who know of and serve her are secretive to be particularly meaningful when we're talking about an association with Vecna, the god of secrets and hidden knowledge, especially destructive or evil magic. Um. Yea, are you saying that Vol isn't comparable to a god of secrets and dark magic just because some of her followers know of her and what she is? Then maybe you should remember that a good majority of Clerics working for Vecna also know of what he is. In fact in comparison with the Shadow, Vol and Vecna I actually see the three of them as being very similar in that all three are evil and have the associated domain of evil (save Vecna is neutral evil and the Shadow is Chaotic while Vol is Lawful) and being about dark magic. It's just that Vol seems to take more of an approach to Necromancy and since Vecna is a lich himself I see it to fit more. ALSO: Since you're so interested in using the secrets aspect of the Shadow. Where in his portfolio does it say anything about him being a master of secrets? As far as I can see the Shadow is about the corruption of Nature and dark magic. Now, obviously, all I did was state my opinion - I'm not giving out canon rulings here, after all - but I don't think the fact that the Blood of Vol is an evil religion with secretive masters makes it anywhere near as good a match for a god of secrets and evil magic as the Shadow, who is explicitly associated with the darkside of magic, secrets, and darkness: Again I have the Eberron Campaign Setting with me right here and I'll even quote off the Shadow's section right here. The Shadow, the literal shadow of Aureon, gained a life of its own as the price of his arcane mastery. Chaotic evil, it devotes its energy to dark magic and the corruption of nature. Many evil wizards and sorcerers revere the Shadow, and many of the monsters of Droaam invoke its name as well. It is usually depicted as a shadow, but sometimes (particularly in Droaam) as a shadow dragon. It is associated with the domains of Chaos, Evil, Magic, and Shadow, and its favored weapon is the Quarterstaff. Where in there does it say anything about secrets? In fact his chaotic bent seems to make him come off more as a rampant cause of destruction and havoc then some ancient keeper of dark secrets. . . . the Shadow is the figurative dark side of the god of magic as well . . . The Shadow is revered by anyone who uses magic for evil ends. The traditional deities of magic-using and psionic monsters are often identified as aspects of the Shadow, particularly if their portfolios include secrecy and darkness. Player's Guide to Eberron, p. 33. Hmmm... perhaps secrecy in this department refers to the Shadow. As in "shadows covering the unknown" or something to that extent. I don't have PGtE but that particular passing doesn't seem to give me much credence to make me think of him as a parable to Vecna other then the mention of a devotion to secrecy which they just seemed to throw in there for no apparent reason. Unless they WANTED the Shadow to seem like a parable to Vecna for begginers to Eberron, but in that case it probably should have been stated more clearly from the get-go.
mhacdebhandia 05-20-07, 12:11 AM	Vol was the one who STARTED the faith and spread it to Karrnath. But this isn't true. The Blood of Vol - the visible religion practiced by (canonically) a minority of Karrnathis and others across Khorvaire - is an outgrowth of the traditions of House Vol and its followers on Aerenal, long before Erandis d'Vol was ever born (much less lichified), and those traditions themselves stretch back to the Qabalrin elves of Xen'drik. Now, the Blood of Vol came to Khorvaire with those elves who fled Aerenal following the destruction of House Vol, and of course we know that Erandis d'Vol escaped at roughly the same time and found refuge in the Lhazaar Principalities, not far from where the elven refugees settled in Karrnath. That Erandis manipulates what the Eberron Campaign Setting calls the "true horror" of the Blood of Vol is not in dispute. Nor are her schemes to revive her Mark of Death and take her place as a true god of Eberron; this is all laid out on page 228. However, she did not invent the religion as a cover for her schemes; the cult is based upon the beliefs of those who followed House Vol, and Erandis herself has simply made the public religion a part of her schemes - primarily by manipulating the faith through the Crimson Covenant so that only those who count among her true followers rise to a position of leadership, and can thus influence the majority of Seekers who remain ignorant of Vol's existence. (It's worth noting that I, personally, use Keith Baker's original ideas about the Blood of Vol, inasmuch as in my version of Karrnath it's the traditional majority religion of the populace, albeit now in decline; likewise, Seekers accept that the Sovereign Host may exist but consider them monstrous entities who must be defeated along with the death they have imposed upon living creatures, rather than the Faiths of Eberron version which presents Seekers as more dismissive of the very idea of the gods' existing. Still, nothing I've said is incompatible with canon material.) As for the actual Vecna issue . . . I made my choice based primarily on the associations the Shadow has with evil and destructive magic, just like Vecna. My main reason for preferring the Shadow over the Blood of Vol is that I think the Blood of Vol, while secretive, has no particular affinity for secrets per se - no more than any other secret cult or society in Eberron, anyway - and certainly not with evil or destructive magic per se. Necromancy is only one part of that. Also, remember that this started as a thread about converting relics - for my money, any relic associated with Vecna is going to be more appropriate for those who worship the Shadow, rather than followers of the Blood of Vol - I guess I don't particularly conceive of the devotion of Erandis d'Vol's true followers as being religious. The public faith isn't really very similar to Vecna's own cult, so his relics wouldn't make sense converted for the Blood of Vol. Specifically, the relic for Vecna in Complete Divine is the Tome of the Stilled Tongue. While it contains instructions for creating a lich's phylactery, its other benefits are far more oriented towards magic per se and thus more in the purview of the Shadow than the Blood of Vol (or even Erandis's true followers): high-level arcane spells, a Boccob's blessed book effect, and an effect which raises your caster level in exchange for a Constitution penalty.
DragoonDarkfire 05-20-07, 10:48 AM	But this isn't true. The Blood of Vol - the visible religion practiced by (canonically) a minority of Karrnathis and others across Khorvaire - is an outgrowth of the traditions of House Vol and its followers on Aerenal, long before Erandis d'Vol was ever born (much less lichified), and those traditions themselves stretch back to the Qabalrin elves of Xen'drik. Where exactly is this stated? Now, the Blood of Vol came to Khorvaire with those elves who fled Aerenal following the destruction of House Vol, and of course we know that Erandis d'Vol escaped at roughly the same time and found refuge in the Lhazaar Principalities, not far from where the elven refugees settled in Karrnath. So a bunch of Elves fled Aerenal after House Vol's eradication but Eradis was the only one of House Vol to survive? That's kinda hard to swallow admitably... That Erandis manipulates what the Eberron Campaign Setting calls the "true horror" of the Blood of Vol is not in dispute. Nor are her schemes to revive her Mark of Death and take her place as a true god of Eberron; this is all laid out on page 228. However, she did not invent the religion as a cover for her schemes; the cult is based upon the beliefs of those who followed House Vol, and Erandis herself has simply made the public religion a part of her schemes - primarily by manipulating the faith through the Crimson Covenant so that only those who count among her true followers rise to a position of leadership, and can thus influence the majority of Seekers who remain ignorant of Vol's existence. Yea so you're saying she's keeping herself SECRET to manipulate events? Not really disproving my point here. As for the actual Vecna issue . . . I made my choice based primarily on the associations the Shadow has with evil and destructive magic, just like Vecna. Vecna comes off more as a god dedicated to the keeping of knowledge and forbidden lore then dark magic. Hell an evil worshiper of Aureon has more in common with the church of Vecna then the Shadow does. My main reason for preferring the Shadow over the Blood of Vol is that I think the Blood of Vol, while secretive, has no particular affinity for secrets per se - no more than any other secret cult or society in Eberron, anyway - and certainly not with evil or destructive magic per se. Necromancy is only one part of that. Again Vecna isn't really a good of destructive and dark magic when you look at his portfolio. He's more of a guy who likes to hide things that are "better left unknown" with the exception of the black hearted. Also, remember that this started as a thread about converting relics - for my money, any relic associated with Vecna is going to be more appropriate for those who worship the Shadow, rather than followers of the Blood of Vol Why not? A lot of Vecna's relics have to do with lichery and the undead which the Blood seems to specialize in. I guess I don't particularly conceive of the devotion of Erandis d'Vol's true followers as being religious. The public faith isn't really very similar to Vecna's own cult, so his relics wouldn't make sense converted for the Blood of Vol. Okay, the commoner worshiper of the Blood doesn't know about Vol but a lot of the higher ups in the Blood DO know of Vol and her power and it can be safe to assume that some of these people perhaps do think of her as a god. Like how some Warforged see the Lord of Blades as a god. Not only that but you need to remember that just because something isn't related to Vol DIRECTLY doesn't mean that it can't be used as a relic by one of her worshipers. Example being a weapon found in Aerenal that was left hidden when House Vol was wiped out that has great necromantic energies if used by a barer of the mark of death, or blessed by one who carries the Blood of... well Vol. Specifically, the relic for Vecna in Complete Divine is the Tome of the Stilled Tongue. While it contains instructions for creating a lich's phylactery, its other benefits are far more oriented towards magic per se and thus more in the purview of the Shadow than the Blood of Vol (or even Erandis's true followers): high-level arcane spells, a Boccob's blessed book effect, and an effect which raises your caster level in exchange for a Constitution penalty. Interesting. What effect is the book actually listed as having? I don't have Complete Divine but if I knew I might be able to form a more solid opinion.
Syltorian 05-20-07, 12:21 PM	Where exactly is this stated? Amongst other places: Player's Guide to Eberron (p.22), Secrets of Xen'drik (p.52, 153, as relating to the Qabalrin), and indeed ECS (p.70, "The Blood flows into the distant past... even to Xen'drik"; reapeted p.228). It's quite clear that the Blood of Vol is incredibly ancient, and its core tenets pre-date House Vol as such. House Vol contributed a lot to the development, of course. So a bunch of Elves fled Aerenal after House Vol's eradication but Eradis was the only one of House Vol to survive? That's kinda hard to swallow admitably... But correct, as far as anyone knows, and as is also confirmed throughout the sources (e.g., PGTE, p.149, Death's Blood feat). There may be descendents of the house around, but if that was the case, why hasn't the Mark of Death manifested itself in the past 3 and a half millenia? Erandis survived because she was hidden away and smuggled out. If others went with her, they appear to have died without descendents (Erandis could have easily tracked them down), or are undead themselves. Nothing of that is mentioned, though... Hell an evil worshiper of Aureon has more in common with the church of Vecna then the Shadow does. The Shadow is Aureon, after a fashion. His dark side - his shadow - actually, and according to the myth that's meant literally. According to Faiths of Eberron (p.51), the followers of the Shadow are supposed to "unearth ancient and forbidden lore", amongst other things. Admittedly, he does not have Knowledge amongst his domains. As regards the caster-level-for-con-penalty effect of the Tome of the Stilled Tongue, this seems to be quite in line with some of the abilities of the Escalation Mage, a worshipper of the Shadow. Why not? A lot of Vecna's relics have to do with lichery and the undead which the Blood seems to specialize in. Here I agree: perhaps, rather than just saying Vecna = Shadow or Vecna = Blood of Vol, one should look at what the relics actually do, and assign them on that basis. So, the Tome of the Stilled Tongue seems to be quite in line with the worship of the Shadow. as does the Dagger of Denial, but there might be other relics of Vecna associated with undeath that would fit better with the Blood of Vol (or the Keeper). The Hand and Eye of Vecna, for instance, would be better associated with the latter religions.
DragoonDarkfire 05-20-07, 12:52 PM	Amongst other places: Player's Guide to Eberron (p.22), Secrets of Xen'drik (p.52, 153, as relating to the Qabalrin), and indeed ECS (p.70, "The Blood flows into the distant past... even to Xen'drik"; reapeted p.228). It's quite clear that the Blood of Vol is incredibly ancient, and its core tenets pre-date House Vol as such. House Vol contributed a lot to the development, of course. Ah well then I submit to this. But correct, as far as anyone knows, and as is also confirmed throughout the sources (e.g., PGTE, p.149, Death's Blood feat). There may be descendents of the house around, but if that was the case, why hasn't the Mark of Death manifested itself in the past 3 and a half millenia? One cannot comprehend the ways of the prophecy *mysterious music* Yea that works. The Shadow is Aureon, after a fashion. His dark side - his shadow - actually, and according to the myth that's meant literally. According to Faiths of Eberron (p.51), the followers of the Shadow are supposed to "unearth ancient and forbidden lore", amongst other things. Admittedly, he does not have Knowledge amongst his domains. Which I find unusual if that really was one of his religious tenets. Here I agree: perhaps, rather than just saying Vecna = Shadow or Vecna = Blood of Vol, one should look at what the relics actually do, and assign them on that basis. So, the Tome of the Stilled Tongue seems to be quite in line with the worship of the Shadow. as does the Dagger of Denial, but there might be other relics of Vecna associated with undeath that would fit better with the Blood of Vol (or the Keeper). The Hand and Eye of Vecna, for instance, would be better associated with the latter religions. This is probably the best course.
mhacdebhandia 05-21-07, 07:54 PM	So a bunch of Elves fled Aerenal after House Vol's eradication but Eradis was the only one of House Vol to survive? That's kinda hard to swallow admitably... Maybe, but that's what happened. In fact, the vast majority of elves in House Phiarlan (and House Thuranni) are descended from the refugees who fled Aerenal for Khorvaire because of the wars which destroyed the line of Vol (Dragonmarked, page 64). They left because the schemes of the line of Vol were only uncovered due to growing suspicion of the dragonmarked in general, and feared that those bearing the Mark of Shadow might be destroyed as a pre-emptive measure.
gelalshawr 05-23-07, 04:31 PM	well, I'm going to be odd and return to the original topic of this thread, concerning the Eberron gods and relics: I personally would not allow those relics into my Eberron game. Not due to any power issue mind you, but purely based on the relationship that the people of Eberron have with their gods. The gods from the base PHB handed out their relics to worthy servants. But the Eberron gods, with the exception of perhaps Vol and the Silver flame, are distant, unreachable. A relic that could be attributed to a specific god would offer too much concrete evidence of the gods' presence and direct influence in mortal affairs. The question of faith is a very important character point in this campaign setting, and items of this nature would undermine the basis of that question.
mhacdebhandia 05-23-07, 09:24 PM	Aww, I don't think it's too much of an issue. An item can easily be associated with a god by its followers without actually being granted by that god to the faithful.
Wizardman 05-24-07, 04:50 AM	I'm torn as to whether or not the faith of the Traveler should have either the most relics or the least relics.
OzyBurrfoot 05-29-07, 10:37 AM	Ok, here's the list I've complied of core D&D deities that I believe have relics. Now, taking what was presented in the MoH campaign rules and fleshing it out with mhacdebhandia's post, and adding in a few of my own suggestions, this should be comprehensive enough. MoH Boccob > Aureon Ehlonna > Balinor Fharlanghn > Kol Korran Heironeous > Dol Arrah Kord > Dol Dorn Obad-Hai > Balinor Olidammara > Olladra Pelor > Sovereign Host St. Cuthbert > Silver Flame Wee Jas > Undying Court mhacdebhandia's Nerull > The Keeper Vecna > The Shadow Hextor > The Mockery Corellon Larethian > Olladra Garl Glittergold > Olladra Gruumsh > The Mockery Moradin > Onatar Yondalla > Boldrei Kurtulmak > Khyber Erythnul > The Fury Lolth > The Mockery Maglubiyet > The Mockery My Ideas Bahamut > Siberys Tiamat > Khyber If I missed any please tell me.
DarkWarriorKarg 05-29-07, 10:44 AM	well, I'm going to be odd and return to the original topic of this thread, concerning the Eberron gods and relics: I personally would not allow those relics into my Eberron game. Not due to any power issue mind you, but purely based on the relationship that the people of Eberron have with their gods. The gods from the base PHB handed out their relics to worthy servants. But the Eberron gods, with the exception of perhaps Vol and the Silver flame, are distant, unreachable. A relic that could be attributed to a specific god would offer too much concrete evidence of the gods' presence and direct influence in mortal affairs. The question of faith is a very important character point in this campaign setting, and items of this nature would undermine the basis of that question. So then you call it 'minor artifact', created in the distant past by a great hero of the faith.
mhacdebhandia 05-29-07, 04:38 PM	No Ideas Kurtulmak > Erythnul > Lolth > Maglubiyet > My suggestions: Kurtulmak - The Dragon Below Erythnul - The Fury Lolth - The Mockery Maglubiyet - The Mockery
Twiggly the Gnome 05-30-07, 05:35 PM	My Ideas Bahamut > Siberys Tiamat > Khyber No need, these two are known on Eberron. :dragon:
OzyBurrfoot 05-30-07, 11:05 PM	Where are they mentioned? I'm not familiar with that.
Soltares 05-31-07, 01:45 AM	Where are they mentioned? I'm not familiar with that. ECS p. 130, Bahamut and Tiamat, as well as the other draconic dieties, are listed as constellations. Imagine my surprise, I didn't think Eberron used any of the core gods!
ArcTan 05-31-07, 10:36 PM	I don't think it's a good idea to use a one-to-one translation. Better to look at each individual game mechanic, see what it does, and see where it fits. Most of the X of Corellon Latherian PrCs, for instance, are clearly intended for Elves to shore up natural abilities and proclitivities Elves have in combat, and therefore really belong (IMO) with the Valenar, despite their religion's lack of resemblance to anything Corellon traditionally is about. Abilities that hit things with big blasts of positive energy go with Aerenal; abilities that martially combat the Undead or Demons go with the CotSF; abilities that are deeply entwined with Undeath go with the BoV; etc.
ArcTan 05-31-07, 10:37 PM	ECS p. 130, Bahamut and Tiamat, as well as the other draconic dieties, are listed as constellations. Imagine my surprise, I didn't think Eberron used any of the core gods! There are random references to things. PGtE mentions the Orcs of the Shadow Marches once had a one-eyed war god named Gara-Umsh who was replaced by Dol Dorn, for instance.