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Sithraldor 08-23-07, 01:23 PM	I want to make them how do i do it do i just use create undead or is there a special process? Also are there any eberron feats/spells that are new to eberron that are great for necros. Thanks a lot.
Alex_ 08-23-07, 01:32 PM	I want to make them how do i do it do i just use create undead or is there a special process? Also are there any eberron feats/spells that are new to eberron that are great for necros. Thanks a lot. Officially? The Bone Knight prestige class from Five Nations allows you to make Karnnathi Zombies and Skeletons. Aside from that, no, there is not a process mentioned in the books like there are for creating Golems, nor is it just a spell, like creating regular Zombies and Skeletons. However, Kieth Baker does have some ideas that never made it into any of the books in detail. http://www.bossythecow.com/askthedreamingdark%209-14.htm If you look at the ECS, the following statements are made about both forms of Karrnathi undead: "It (bones/flesh) have been treated alchemically to make them more resilient. Karrnathi (skeletons/zombies) are created from the remains of elite Karrnathi soldiers slain in battle." There are two points here: the treatment of the remains and the nature of the soldier. I'll start with the second point… the fact that the undead must be made from an elite Karrnathi soldier slain in battle. Some people have suggested that if Karrnath was smart, it would just kill all its soldiers and raise them as Karrnathi undead, because the undead are more effective than a typical first level warrior. But that's just the point: a typical first level warrior couldn't be used to create a Karrnathi skeleton; only "elite" soldiers can serve this purpose. Personally, I would require the subject to have been at least third level in life in order to be eligible to be raised as a Karrnathi undead… and he does need to have died in battle, fighting for his country. It's important to understand that Karrnathi undead are not the people they were in life. It's not a cheap substitute for raise dead. Every Karrnathi skeleton has the same skills, and like normal skeletons, cannot advance in hit dice. Despite being intelligent and aware, their consciousness is not human. Most priests say that the Karrnathi undead are vessels for the fighting spirit of Karrnath itself, and this would explain both the need for the body to be that of a skilled soldier and death in battle; the body must be spiritually prepared to rise as an undead warrior. Of course, spiritual preparations are only part of the challenge of creating Karrnathi undead; there's also that alchemical treatment. Normally, the animate dead spell requires components worth 25 gp/hit die. For Karrnathi undead, I'd double that cost to take these alchemical salves into account, and personally say that the bodies are normally soaked in these substances. This would mean that a normal priest or necromancer couldn't raise a Karrnathi undead ON the battlefield, because the body has to be prepared. The obvious exception to this point is the bone knight, who has the spell-like ability to create Karrnathi undead (and spell-like abilities ignore components). However, even in the case of the bone knight, I would insist that the targeted corpses be those of elite Karrnathi soldiers – not peasants, not green conscripts, and certainly not enemies of the nation. So in terms of speed of production, the key issue is that in order to create a Karrnathi undead soldier, you first need a dead elite soldier – and if those soldiers are doing their jobs, their corpses will be in short supply. Bear in mind that not every undead soldier in the armies of Karrnath is Karrnathi undead; they certainly employ traditional skeletons and zombies in addition to the sentient elites. I can't think of anything related to spells or feats off the top of my head. Sorry.
Sithraldor 08-23-07, 01:44 PM	thanks a lot that was helpful at least give me something to work off of for a spell if nothing else.
Rekko 08-23-07, 03:50 PM	From Magic of Eberron p.31 under the Magic of Karrnath section. Karrnathi undead research facility http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/moe_maps/MoE_map7.jpg However, the section doesn't explain how to create such undeads. I think that you would require the same spells that creates zombies or skeletons, however, you would also need your corpse be as Keith described, an Elite Karrnathi Soldier prepared to become an undead warrior and alchemical substances (in a pool) to alter and reinforce the corpse by submerging it into the bassin, as if you were making the corpse take a bath. Maybe double the material component, or add a specific material whose value is the same as the original components.
Sithraldor 08-23-07, 09:30 PM	thanks to you as well