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Revvecor
06-07-07, 12:52 PM These are some questions I have come to wonder about while running several Eberron games.

1.Apart from the Lair of the Keeper in the Demon Wastes does the Keeper have any other places that are associated with him?

2.Are there any areas that activly worship the Keeper?
Rerecros
06-07-07, 03:33 PM The Keeper takes the place of the blood of vol outside the north east as the death god. Mabar has souleaters, who may be considered his handywork. RoE mentions warforged who worship him.
Edymnion
06-07-07, 08:52 PM The half-giants of Xen'Drik also worship the Keeper as a good deity.
To them, the Keeper is a guardian of souls, not a stealer of them. They believe that there will be a great war between good and evil at the end of time, and that evil would be the stronger of the two unless someone intervened, so the Keeper sifts through the souls of the dead, looking for those that are strong enough to fight in Armaggedon. Those souls he guards from Dol'urrh, keeping them safe until such time as they are needed.

I've been wanting to find a good way to explain that viewpoint being present in Khovaire, as it would make an incredible hook for a character.

"Whats the motivation for your character?"

"To become as powerful as possible, then die and have his soul taken by the Keeper."

"Why in the world would he want that?"

"So that he could stand in the face of evil itself at the end of days, and shout defiance as he rushes headlong into the fray for the fate of all reality."

:D
Revvecor
06-08-07, 10:45 AM The half-giants of Xen'Drik also worship the Keeper as a good deity.
To them, the Keeper is a guardian of souls, not a stealer of them. They believe that there will be a great war between good and evil at the end of time, and that evil would be the stronger of the two unless someone intervened, so the Keeper sifts through the souls of the dead, looking for those that are strong enough to fight in Armaggedon. Those souls he guards from Dol'urrh, keeping them safe until such time as they are needed.

This sounds like its more of a combination between Armaggedon & Ragnarok than just Armaggedon.

I've been wanting to find a good way to explain that viewpoint being present in Khovaire, as it would make an incredible hook for a character.

"Whats the motivation for your character?"

"To become as powerful as possible, then die and have his soul taken by the Keeper."

"Why in the world would he want that?"

"So that he could stand in the face of evil itself at the end of days, and shout defiance as he rushes headlong into the fray for the fate of all reality."

:cool:This has given me an idea of a Nordic barbain raiders from the Lhazaar Principalities fighting for glory, and the chance to fight in the final battle between good and evil.
Edymnion
06-08-07, 12:02 PM This sounds like its more of a combination between Armaggedon & Ragnarok than just Armaggedon.Yeah, but I generally find that far fewer people recognize Ragnarok than recognize Armaggedon.
OctaviusIII
06-10-07, 11:53 PM Yeah, but I generally find that far fewer people recognize Ragnarok than recognize Armaggedon.

Which is truly unfortunate.

By the way, that's the most kick-ass religion and story hook I have yet seen on the boards. That is definitely going into my cleric's new monotheism.
CannibalSmith
06-11-07, 06:22 AM Fun stuff to do in Eberron: raid the Keeper's lair.
Edymnion
06-11-07, 12:15 PM By the way, that's the most kick-ass religion and story hook I have yet seen on the boards. That is definitely going into my cleric's new monotheism.Fun. Are you making all of the sovereign host into essentially helper angels? As in, one god, but he assigned 15 of his most trusted angels to oversee the world he had created. To Balinor he gave the charge of watching over the beasts of the field, while to the Keeper he gave the task of preparing for Ragnarok, etc?

Which would be good, if the Keeper was neutral, his job would be to gather both good and evil souls, represenative of their ages, so that the final battle could be waged and the creator god could see which way the world turned out, with Good being stronger, or Evil.
OctaviusIII
06-11-07, 12:57 PM Fun. Are you making all of the sovereign host into essentially helper angels? As in, one god, but he assigned 15 of his most trusted angels to oversee the world he had created. To Balinor he gave the charge of watching over the beasts of the field, while to the Keeper he gave the task of preparing for Ragnarok, etc?

Which would be good, if the Keeper was neutral, his job would be to gather both good and evil souls, represenative of their ages, so that the final battle could be waged and the creator god could see which way the world turned out, with Good being stronger, or Evil.

The gods are still gods, although lesser gods than the Progenitor, so it's monolatrism really, not monotheism. Only the Progenitor is worthy of worship.

The Keeper was charged with overseeing the dead, but his corruption into evil meant that he now seeks the most truly evil of the world, and he takes them for the army of Ragnarok. This army of evil would march across the world at the end, but for the souls that have faded in Dolurrh. The nobility of the souls here will determine whether evil wins or loses. All the gods will die, but the victor will reshape the world in its own image, and the Progenitor will either remake the world and end this existence, or allow it rebirth.
The Dreaming Duck
06-11-07, 02:12 PM I've been wanting to find a good way to explain that viewpoint being present in Khovaire, as it would make an incredible hook for a character.
I think this is the same principle behind the Restful Watch, a sect that reveres Aureon and the Keeper and looks after graveyards... sort of like the Silent Sisters in Song of Ice and Fire. I know Keith Baker described the Restful Watch in some detail in the Age of Worms conversions - I just checked, and it's mentioned briefly on page 28 of FoE.
Edymnion
06-11-07, 08:45 PM I think this is the same principle behind the Restful Watch, a sect that reveres Aureon and the Keeper and looks after graveyards... sort of like the Silent Sisters in Song of Ice and Fire. I know Keith Baker described the Restful Watch in some detail in the Age of Worms conversions - I just checked, and it's mentioned briefly on page 28 of FoE.Oh, just for the record, you misquoted up there. I didn't say that, OctaviusIII did. Might want to edit your post.

And I remember seeing the Restful Watch, I need to check it out again.
Your page number is wrong though. Nothing about them on page 28 of FoE that I saw.
Revvecor
06-11-07, 09:14 PM And I remember seeing the Restful Watch, I need to check it out again.
Your page number is wrong though. Nothing about them on page 28 of FoE that I saw.

The page is correct, i just looked at it. It was only 1 or 2 sentence(s) and did not give very much information.
Edymnion
06-11-07, 09:46 PM The page is correct, i just looked at it. It was only 1 or 2 sentence(s) and did not give very much information.Ah yes, I missed it the first time. Left side of the page, next to the point of Arawai's wheat symbol.

Combines Aureon and the Keeper (like DD said).
Welp, I just found my hook. :)
The Dreaming Duck
06-11-07, 10:47 PM Oh, just for the record, you misquoted up there. I didn't say that, OctaviusIII did. Might want to edit your post.
OK, now you've got me confused. The section I quoted is the second paragraph of the third message of this thread... If you were quoting OIII in that post, you might want to edit it. ;) Or am I missing something?
Edymnion
06-12-07, 01:50 PM OK, now you've got me confused. The section I quoted is the second paragraph of the third message of this thread... If you were quoting OIII in that post, you might want to edit it. ;) Or am I missing something?Okay, apparently I need to stop eating the mushrooms growing under my steps...
My bad, you're right.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Revvecor 06-07-07, 12:52 PM	These are some questions I have come to wonder about while running several Eberron games. 1.Apart from the Lair of the Keeper in the Demon Wastes does the Keeper have any other places that are associated with him? 2.Are there any areas that activly worship the Keeper?
Rerecros 06-07-07, 03:33 PM	The Keeper takes the place of the blood of vol outside the north east as the death god. Mabar has souleaters, who may be considered his handywork. RoE mentions warforged who worship him.
Edymnion 06-07-07, 08:52 PM	The half-giants of Xen'Drik also worship the Keeper as a good deity. To them, the Keeper is a guardian of souls, not a stealer of them. They believe that there will be a great war between good and evil at the end of time, and that evil would be the stronger of the two unless someone intervened, so the Keeper sifts through the souls of the dead, looking for those that are strong enough to fight in Armaggedon. Those souls he guards from Dol'urrh, keeping them safe until such time as they are needed. I've been wanting to find a good way to explain that viewpoint being present in Khovaire, as it would make an incredible hook for a character. "Whats the motivation for your character?" "To become as powerful as possible, then die and have his soul taken by the Keeper." "Why in the world would he want that?" "So that he could stand in the face of evil itself at the end of days, and shout defiance as he rushes headlong into the fray for the fate of all reality." :D
Revvecor 06-08-07, 10:45 AM	The half-giants of Xen'Drik also worship the Keeper as a good deity. To them, the Keeper is a guardian of souls, not a stealer of them. They believe that there will be a great war between good and evil at the end of time, and that evil would be the stronger of the two unless someone intervened, so the Keeper sifts through the souls of the dead, looking for those that are strong enough to fight in Armaggedon. Those souls he guards from Dol'urrh, keeping them safe until such time as they are needed. This sounds like its more of a combination between Armaggedon & Ragnarok than just Armaggedon. I've been wanting to find a good way to explain that viewpoint being present in Khovaire, as it would make an incredible hook for a character. "Whats the motivation for your character?" "To become as powerful as possible, then die and have his soul taken by the Keeper." "Why in the world would he want that?" "So that he could stand in the face of evil itself at the end of days, and shout defiance as he rushes headlong into the fray for the fate of all reality." :cool:This has given me an idea of a Nordic barbain raiders from the Lhazaar Principalities fighting for glory, and the chance to fight in the final battle between good and evil.
Edymnion 06-08-07, 12:02 PM	This sounds like its more of a combination between Armaggedon & Ragnarok than just Armaggedon.Yeah, but I generally find that far fewer people recognize Ragnarok than recognize Armaggedon.
OctaviusIII 06-10-07, 11:53 PM	Yeah, but I generally find that far fewer people recognize Ragnarok than recognize Armaggedon. Which is truly unfortunate. By the way, that's the most kick-ass religion and story hook I have yet seen on the boards. That is definitely going into my cleric's new monotheism.
CannibalSmith 06-11-07, 06:22 AM	Fun stuff to do in Eberron: raid the Keeper's lair.
Edymnion 06-11-07, 12:15 PM	By the way, that's the most kick-ass religion and story hook I have yet seen on the boards. That is definitely going into my cleric's new monotheism.Fun. Are you making all of the sovereign host into essentially helper angels? As in, one god, but he assigned 15 of his most trusted angels to oversee the world he had created. To Balinor he gave the charge of watching over the beasts of the field, while to the Keeper he gave the task of preparing for Ragnarok, etc? Which would be good, if the Keeper was neutral, his job would be to gather both good and evil souls, represenative of their ages, so that the final battle could be waged and the creator god could see which way the world turned out, with Good being stronger, or Evil.
OctaviusIII 06-11-07, 12:57 PM	Fun. Are you making all of the sovereign host into essentially helper angels? As in, one god, but he assigned 15 of his most trusted angels to oversee the world he had created. To Balinor he gave the charge of watching over the beasts of the field, while to the Keeper he gave the task of preparing for Ragnarok, etc? Which would be good, if the Keeper was neutral, his job would be to gather both good and evil souls, represenative of their ages, so that the final battle could be waged and the creator god could see which way the world turned out, with Good being stronger, or Evil. The gods are still gods, although lesser gods than the Progenitor, so it's monolatrism really, not monotheism. Only the Progenitor is worthy of worship. The Keeper was charged with overseeing the dead, but his corruption into evil meant that he now seeks the most truly evil of the world, and he takes them for the army of Ragnarok. This army of evil would march across the world at the end, but for the souls that have faded in Dolurrh. The nobility of the souls here will determine whether evil wins or loses. All the gods will die, but the victor will reshape the world in its own image, and the Progenitor will either remake the world and end this existence, or allow it rebirth.
The Dreaming Duck 06-11-07, 02:12 PM	I've been wanting to find a good way to explain that viewpoint being present in Khovaire, as it would make an incredible hook for a character. I think this is the same principle behind the Restful Watch, a sect that reveres Aureon and the Keeper and looks after graveyards... sort of like the Silent Sisters in Song of Ice and Fire. I know Keith Baker described the Restful Watch in some detail in the Age of Worms conversions - I just checked, and it's mentioned briefly on page 28 of FoE.
Edymnion 06-11-07, 08:45 PM	I think this is the same principle behind the Restful Watch, a sect that reveres Aureon and the Keeper and looks after graveyards... sort of like the Silent Sisters in Song of Ice and Fire. I know Keith Baker described the Restful Watch in some detail in the Age of Worms conversions - I just checked, and it's mentioned briefly on page 28 of FoE.Oh, just for the record, you misquoted up there. I didn't say that, OctaviusIII did. Might want to edit your post. And I remember seeing the Restful Watch, I need to check it out again. Your page number is wrong though. Nothing about them on page 28 of FoE that I saw.
Revvecor 06-11-07, 09:14 PM	And I remember seeing the Restful Watch, I need to check it out again. Your page number is wrong though. Nothing about them on page 28 of FoE that I saw. The page is correct, i just looked at it. It was only 1 or 2 sentence(s) and did not give very much information.
Edymnion 06-11-07, 09:46 PM	The page is correct, i just looked at it. It was only 1 or 2 sentence(s) and did not give very much information.Ah yes, I missed it the first time. Left side of the page, next to the point of Arawai's wheat symbol. Combines Aureon and the Keeper (like DD said). Welp, I just found my hook. :)
The Dreaming Duck 06-11-07, 10:47 PM	Oh, just for the record, you misquoted up there. I didn't say that, OctaviusIII did. Might want to edit your post. OK, now you've got me confused. The section I quoted is the second paragraph of the third message of this thread... If you were quoting OIII in that post, you might want to edit it. ;) Or am I missing something?
Edymnion 06-12-07, 01:50 PM	OK, now you've got me confused. The section I quoted is the second paragraph of the third message of this thread... If you were quoting OIII in that post, you might want to edit it. ;) Or am I missing something?Okay, apparently I need to stop eating the mushrooms growing under my steps... My bad, you're right.