Where do pleasant dreams come from? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Where do pleasant dreams come from? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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lion93
03-31-07, 02:42 AM So, Dal Qor is a pretty messed up place. Run by bad bad things.

Why aren't all dreams nightmares?

If this has been discussed elsewhere, just link me to it.

thanks!

Tony
yrogerg
03-31-07, 03:13 AM As I understand it, they come from your own mind. What dreams *are* is not fundamentally changed in Eberron. They *are* manifestations of your unconscious mind. From a quori's perspective, a human dreamscape is an intrusion of human thought onto Dal Quor that the dreamer has ultimate, final control over, if only unconsciously.

Eberron plays with the idea of a nightmare being something from "outside" because even though it plays on your own thoughts and fears, it seems to come from an external source, to impose its will on you despite your own desires.

In Eberron, a nightmare is when an unpleasant or fearful dream is sensed by a quori, who enters your dream and, like a parasite, twists your dream toward your negative emotions, your fears and hatreds and lusts, and feeds off of your distress and disharmony as it fills your dreams with corruption.
Millenia
03-31-07, 03:52 AM Dreams and nightmares are natural occurrences. Although none of the Eberron sourcebooks say it, I do believe that the Quori, as a whole, left the dreams of humans alone. Certainly, there were many who did interfere with dreams before the Quori learned about the Turning of the Age, and perhaps even in the previous age, but the majority likely left them alone... until now, with the Quori strictly controlling the dreams of Riedrans, and attempting to manipulate Khorvarians (the people, not the half-elves) into helping them.
The White Sorcerer
03-31-07, 04:18 AM When mortals dream, they project their minds into Dal Quor, no matter what their dreams are like.
Hellcow
04-02-07, 12:32 PM When mortals sleep, their spirits touch Dal Quor. But as others have said, only the core of Dal Quor is shaped by il-Lashtavar. The outer relams of Dal Quor - where your spirit goes when you sleep - is a formless psychoactive void given form by your own thoughts and memories and by the collective unconscious of those around you.

So the HEART of Dal Quor is a non-stop nightmare, but your personal dreams remain shaped by your experiences. By and large, quori don't handcraft the dreams of mortals.

With that said, quori CAN hand-craft the dreams of mortals if they take the trouble to track them down... which is represented in game by the nightmare and dream abilities of the quori. If they want to craft a nightmare for you, they will; otherwise, you form your own dream on the fringe of Dal Quor.
SquirrelMortis
04-02-07, 12:52 PM The quori don't have time to manipulate the dreams of every Joe Schmoe in Eberron.
RogueElement
04-02-07, 08:48 PM Where do pleasant dreams come from?
Whiskey.
SquirrelMortis
04-03-07, 04:52 AM Whiskey.

:rofl:
sooperspook
04-03-07, 05:05 AM Whiskey.

Or beer.

Or vodka.

Or rum.

Or...brb, I need a drink...
Cromag
04-07-07, 04:17 PM -But not Tequila, that is a direct conduit to the Quori.
Edymnion
04-07-07, 04:55 PM But yeah, generally speaking, Dal Quor is still a morphic realm. When you dream, you touch the outter edges and shape it to your own desires. Not every nightmare you have is the result of a quori manipulating your dream any more than every stubbed toe is the work of the devil. You go to bed with bad thoughts on the mind, and thats what Dal Quor shapes itself into.
UnderworldLord
04-09-07, 10:26 AM Thats exactly right Edy. Khyber is to be blamed for all stubbed toes and tripping over yourself.
TheAnthroDM
04-16-07, 03:17 AM The quori don't have time to manipulate the dreams of every Joe Schmoe in Eberron.
We certainly don't!
.....
They certainly don't >->

:twitch:
SquirrelMortis
04-16-07, 12:01 PM We certainly don't!
.....
They certainly don't >->

:twitch:

I think I may have caught someone with their appendage in their mouth, eh? :P :devil:
Edymnion
04-19-07, 07:45 PM I think I may have caught someone with their appendage in their mouth, eh? :P :devil:.
.
.

Nah... too easy.
The White Sorcerer
04-20-07, 10:54 AM Nah... too easy.

You have a sick and twisted mind. :coolcthul
Ozymandias V.
04-20-07, 03:13 PM He's probably one of them.
ArcTan
04-21-07, 03:47 AM But yeah, generally speaking, Dal Quor is still a morphic realm. When you dream, you touch the outter edges and shape it to your own desires. Not every nightmare you have is the result of a quori manipulating your dream any more than every stubbed toe is the work of the devil. You go to bed with bad thoughts on the mind, and thats what Dal Quor shapes itself into.

Similarly, I don't read the Quori as *creating* all nightmares as such -- instead they find minds with convenient fears and complexes to latch onto and exacerbate them to feed off of them.

An ordinary bad dream might just be an ordinary bad dream, but a truly horrific nightmare that leaves you feeling drained and helpless afterwards would be something the Quori had a hand in.
ArcTan
04-21-07, 03:48 AM Dreams and nightmares are natural occurrences. Although none of the Eberron sourcebooks say it, I do believe that the Quori, as a whole, left the dreams of humans alone.

Well, no, they "feed on" the dreams of humans, and use the dreams of humans for sport. They are the cause of nightmares and do depend on some way on causing nightmares as part of their nature, though how exactly this works isn't clear (perhaps a "hunger" akin to Undead hungers in Libris Mortis).
heirodule
04-21-07, 06:06 PM Where do pleasant dreams come from?

Hashalaq Quori
The White Sorcerer
04-26-07, 06:28 PM Well, no, they "feed on" the dreams of humans, and use the dreams of humans for sport.

Page reference? Not really doubting you, just curious, since I haven't read anything to suggest that.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
lion93 03-31-07, 02:42 AM	So, Dal Qor is a pretty messed up place. Run by bad bad things. Why aren't all dreams nightmares? If this has been discussed elsewhere, just link me to it. thanks! Tony
yrogerg 03-31-07, 03:13 AM	As I understand it, they come from your own mind. What dreams are is not fundamentally changed in Eberron. They are manifestations of your unconscious mind. From a quori's perspective, a human dreamscape is an intrusion of human thought onto Dal Quor that the dreamer has ultimate, final control over, if only unconsciously. Eberron plays with the idea of a nightmare being something from "outside" because even though it plays on your own thoughts and fears, it seems to come from an external source, to impose its will on you despite your own desires. In Eberron, a nightmare is when an unpleasant or fearful dream is sensed by a quori, who enters your dream and, like a parasite, twists your dream toward your negative emotions, your fears and hatreds and lusts, and feeds off of your distress and disharmony as it fills your dreams with corruption.
Millenia 03-31-07, 03:52 AM	Dreams and nightmares are natural occurrences. Although none of the Eberron sourcebooks say it, I do believe that the Quori, as a whole, left the dreams of humans alone. Certainly, there were many who did interfere with dreams before the Quori learned about the Turning of the Age, and perhaps even in the previous age, but the majority likely left them alone... until now, with the Quori strictly controlling the dreams of Riedrans, and attempting to manipulate Khorvarians (the people, not the half-elves) into helping them.
The White Sorcerer 03-31-07, 04:18 AM	When mortals dream, they project their minds into Dal Quor, no matter what their dreams are like.
Hellcow 04-02-07, 12:32 PM	When mortals sleep, their spirits touch Dal Quor. But as others have said, only the core of Dal Quor is shaped by il-Lashtavar. The outer relams of Dal Quor - where your spirit goes when you sleep - is a formless psychoactive void given form by your own thoughts and memories and by the collective unconscious of those around you. So the HEART of Dal Quor is a non-stop nightmare, but your personal dreams remain shaped by your experiences. By and large, quori don't handcraft the dreams of mortals. With that said, quori CAN hand-craft the dreams of mortals if they take the trouble to track them down... which is represented in game by the nightmare and dream abilities of the quori. If they want to craft a nightmare for you, they will; otherwise, you form your own dream on the fringe of Dal Quor.
SquirrelMortis 04-02-07, 12:52 PM	The quori don't have time to manipulate the dreams of every Joe Schmoe in Eberron.
RogueElement 04-02-07, 08:48 PM	Where do pleasant dreams come from? Whiskey.
SquirrelMortis 04-03-07, 04:52 AM	Whiskey. :rofl:
sooperspook 04-03-07, 05:05 AM	Whiskey. Or beer. Or vodka. Or rum. Or...brb, I need a drink...
Cromag 04-07-07, 04:17 PM	-But not Tequila, that is a direct conduit to the Quori.
Edymnion 04-07-07, 04:55 PM	But yeah, generally speaking, Dal Quor is still a morphic realm. When you dream, you touch the outter edges and shape it to your own desires. Not every nightmare you have is the result of a quori manipulating your dream any more than every stubbed toe is the work of the devil. You go to bed with bad thoughts on the mind, and thats what Dal Quor shapes itself into.
UnderworldLord 04-09-07, 10:26 AM	Thats exactly right Edy. Khyber is to be blamed for all stubbed toes and tripping over yourself.
TheAnthroDM 04-16-07, 03:17 AM	The quori don't have time to manipulate the dreams of every Joe Schmoe in Eberron. We certainly don't! ..... They certainly don't >-> :twitch:
SquirrelMortis 04-16-07, 12:01 PM	We certainly don't! ..... They certainly don't >-> :twitch: I think I may have caught someone with their appendage in their mouth, eh? :P :devil:
Edymnion 04-19-07, 07:45 PM	I think I may have caught someone with their appendage in their mouth, eh? :P :devil:. . . Nah... too easy.
The White Sorcerer 04-20-07, 10:54 AM	Nah... too easy. You have a sick and twisted mind. :coolcthul
Ozymandias V. 04-20-07, 03:13 PM	He's probably one of them.
ArcTan 04-21-07, 03:47 AM	But yeah, generally speaking, Dal Quor is still a morphic realm. When you dream, you touch the outter edges and shape it to your own desires. Not every nightmare you have is the result of a quori manipulating your dream any more than every stubbed toe is the work of the devil. You go to bed with bad thoughts on the mind, and thats what Dal Quor shapes itself into. Similarly, I don't read the Quori as creating all nightmares as such -- instead they find minds with convenient fears and complexes to latch onto and exacerbate them to feed off of them. An ordinary bad dream might just be an ordinary bad dream, but a truly horrific nightmare that leaves you feeling drained and helpless afterwards would be something the Quori had a hand in.
ArcTan 04-21-07, 03:48 AM	Dreams and nightmares are natural occurrences. Although none of the Eberron sourcebooks say it, I do believe that the Quori, as a whole, left the dreams of humans alone. Well, no, they "feed on" the dreams of humans, and use the dreams of humans for sport. They are the cause of nightmares and do depend on some way on causing nightmares as part of their nature, though how exactly this works isn't clear (perhaps a "hunger" akin to Undead hungers in Libris Mortis).
heirodule 04-21-07, 06:06 PM	Where do pleasant dreams come from? Hashalaq Quori
The White Sorcerer 04-26-07, 06:28 PM	Well, no, they "feed on" the dreams of humans, and use the dreams of humans for sport. Page reference? Not really doubting you, just curious, since I haven't read anything to suggest that.