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fletch137 09-28-07, 11:09 AM	As much as I’m intrigued by the idea that Eberron’s hell is an actual physical place (Khyber, the Dragon Below) instead of another plane, I’m still a bit confused as to how that actually plays out. Has this been described in any greater detail aside from the main Eberron book (the only book I have)? When they say these demon lords are trapped in dragonshard prisons, what exactly does that mean? Are these prisons like columns with a shadowy figure trapped inside or are they ‘pocket realms’ where the demon lord rules a small kingdom but has no way to get out?
Vharuck 09-28-07, 11:28 AM	First off, they're not demon lords but fiend lords. Because of game terms, this is a difference. Demons and devils are extraplanar manifestations of pure evil and chaos/law. Fiends are beings of evil, not necessarily extraplanar, just evil. As for your question, it really isn't specified. Keith adapted one popular published campaign arc to Eberron by saying that Khyber has extra-dimensional spaces that can only be accessed in certain ways, and that this concept would allow the nine layers of hell or whatnot. However, since it's not official (just officially cool), the answer is what best serves your campaign.
The Ubbergeek 09-28-07, 11:42 AM	Idea... Maybe at the bottom, the core of earth, there is ancient ruins of unbelievable antiquity, akin to the Moon's Core in FF4/IV... Maybe they would be trapped there...
OctaviusIII 09-28-07, 06:03 PM	My impression of the dragonshard prisons are that the essence of the fiend was trapped within a single khyber dragonshard, not in prisons made of dragonshard or what have you. They are each stuck in their own little shard.
ZeroSD 09-28-07, 09:45 PM	Khyber is a big area so I'd bet it doesn't all look the same. I see many areas looking like huge cave systems/gigantic underdark style caverns, but then as you get deeper and get drawn into demiplanes, there are many more unique terrains and varieties. It's as big as Eberron so it probably has as much variety as the surface.
androkguz 09-29-07, 11:37 AM	I go with the towers and the shadowy figure. But that's just me.
eehamburg 10-01-07, 10:08 AM	I always viewed it as it begins like the Underdark, then it turns more into Journey to the Center of the Earth along with Hollow World, and then it turns into classic views of Hell. But that's just me.
Edymnion 10-02-07, 12:42 PM	I use the underdark as a good example of Khyber. Its mostly just underground caverns and networks. However, as you get closer to Khyber himself, it gets more twisted and demonic. As for the fiends trapped in dragonshards, they are literally trapped within khyber shards. Not actual jails or prisons made of khyber shards, but within single shards somewhere in between your fist and your head (IMO, its never actually said). They don't have their own little worlds in there, which is why they would want out so badly. You know the pane of glass thing from Superman II that Supes trapped Lord Zod and company in? Yeah, a lot like that, except that they don't have the entire Phantom Zone to screw around in.
fletch137 10-03-07, 09:53 PM	And the daelkyr are also imprisoned in Khyber? Am I understanding this right? The Daelkyr entry in Wikipedia (which, apparently, references the Players Guide to Eberron), gives brief descriptions of the Daelkyr citadels. Orlask, fer instance, is said to have a citadel shaped like a giant gargoyle that travels around in Khyber. I think this is what's confusing me. So we have beings from Xoriat who are trapped in Khyber and fiends that were born in Khyber also trapped there? I'm completely not getting this.
androkguz 10-04-07, 12:27 PM	And the daelkyr are also imprisoned in Khyber? Am I understanding this right? The Daelkyr entry in Wikipedia (which, apparently, references the Players Guide to Eberron), gives brief descriptions of the Daelkyr citadels. Orlask, fer instance, is said to have a citadel shaped like a giant gargoyle that travels around in Khyber. I think this is what's confusing me. So we have beings from Xoriat who are trapped in Khyber and fiends that were born in Khyber also trapped there? I'm completely not getting this. Yes, they are both trapped there. The difference is mainly that the rahajs are imprisoned in giant crystals of khyber dragonshards while the Daelkyr are confined in the depts of the dragon below by the seals that prevent them from returning to the surface world. Seals that are protected by the gatekeepers. Yet, the Daelkyr are free inside this underworld. That's why Orlask is having fun around on his gargoyle-palace.
Melchizedek 10-05-07, 09:42 PM	I use the underdark as a good example of Khyber. Its mostly just underground caverns and networks. However, as you get closer to Khyber himself, it gets more twisted and demonic. As for the fiends trapped in dragonshards, they are literally trapped within khyber shards. Not actual jails or prisons made of khyber shards, but within single shards somewhere in between your fist and your head (IMO, its never actually said). They don't have their own little worlds in there, which is why they would want out so badly. You know the pane of glass thing from Superman II that Supes trapped Lord Zod and company in? Yeah, a lot like that, except that they don't have the entire Phantom Zone to screw around in. Well said. Personally I get the image of a Huge Khyber shard, the fiend within large as life, suspended as if floating in water, with a barely visible silvery thread spiralled around it.
ZeroSD 10-07-07, 06:53 AM	I think this is what's confusing me. So we have beings from Xoriat who are trapped in Khyber and fiends that were born in Khyber also trapped there? It's like the old Hobgoblin saying goes, "Urhk Khyber narrath arn urras", or in English, "When in doubt, shove it in Khyber."