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PatEllis15
06-24-06, 08:39 PM OK, admit it... your looking forward to the backroom dealings, backstabbings, and oath breaking that is going to take place during the combined adventures...

Well, I know I am!

I'm glad to see WotC approaching it this way... It's going to keep those Faction Masters on their toes, and we'd best recruit the better DM's to play up the faction conflicts to the max!

Pat E
TMoonshadow
06-26-06, 07:56 PM I think that it will be especially interesting to have a combined faction with Cabal of Shadows characters... I wonder how many players will jump at the idea of playing evil?
smerwin29
06-26-06, 08:19 PM I wonder how many players will jump at the idea of playing evil?

I wonder how many WON'T. :eek:
kiddoc
06-27-06, 01:40 PM OK, admit it... your looking forward to the backroom dealings, backstabbings, and oath breaking that is going to take place during the combined adventures...

Well, I know I am!

I'm glad to see WotC approaching it this way... It's going to keep those Faction Masters on their toes, and we'd best recruit the better DM's to play up the faction conflicts to the max!

Pat E

This IS going to keep us on our toes!

The most exciting thing is that we're breaking new ground for the RPGA and the way tabletop D&D is played in the tournament/convention environment. We're introducing some possibilities that have dire bats fluttering around in our collective stomachs and the adrenaline pumping. Inter and cross-faction dynamics are going to shape the face of this campaign. Be prepared!
striderlotr
06-27-06, 03:38 PM Those inter faction dynamics are what I'm looking forward to. I think that this game play has a lot to offer. Now I'll just have to play more RPGA events so I can get some cards to use. Look out Gen Con and Winterfantasy... Skree the kobald socerer is coming back!
kiddoc
06-28-06, 02:17 PM Some Wise Words(TM) I'm stealing from fellow Factionmaster Greg Marks of the Cabal of Shadows:

Player vs. Player conflict is one of the biggest issues that I get asked about. There are several things to consider on this topic, as PvP means different things in a faction mod vs an expedition mod.

1) PvP in Faction Mods: PvP situtions seemly likely when everyone at the table might be evil, so how is this handled, especially when everyone might be from competing Obscura? Well, first off, you can't kill each other. When you become a full member of the Cabal (which all PCs do as of the beginning of the first faction mod) you are awarded some level of protection. Effectively all PCs are "Made Men" and can't be touched. Now this doesn't mean you have to save PCs who are bleeding out, or that you can arrange for someone else to be set up to take the fall for a crime. You just can't murder each other. If you do, they higher ups will find out about it and your PC is forfiet. You are execute painfully as an example to others. Now if you arrange a situation such that another PC is killed by an NPC, well that's just plain bad luck on that person's part. When you sit at a table, try to figure out who might also be in your Obscura (if any) so you know who might be your allies if it comes down to it. There will be more on recognizing fellow Obscura members without giving away your secret in the days to come.

2) PvP in Expedition and Delve Mods: First off, it's not a good idea for our PCs to mix with the others. They will want to kill us. That said, and given that this campaign actually has critical events that matter, many will want to mix it up in order to prevent another faction from succeeding. You can do that without killing each other. In fact, the Cabal would rather the PCs avoid exposing the Cabal's existance as much as possible. So if you pose as a member of another faction, you might prevent success (their success, not yours) by dragging your feet a bit, or being a bit bumbling, but DO NOT expose yourself or the Cabal. Now saying that, it is only polite that you admit your true faction to the players at your table as they muster. Avoiding springing it on them in the middle of play. Everyone likes different styles of play and some will enjoy putting their wits against yours in order to see how the critical events turn out for your table. However, other players hate conflict and you will ruin their time by having your fun. We all paid money to go to a big con and it takes a real donkey to screw five people out of four hows just so they can get some laughs. Be upfront and find the people who while want to play with you. We, as players of the Cabal of Shadows, have a huge responsibility. If this experiement in playing dark PCs goes astray and there are more complaints than positive comments we will never be allowed to do it again. Lets all be grown-ups and be respectful of others.

Greg Marks
Cabal of Shadows Factionmaster

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
PatEllis15 06-24-06, 08:39 PM	OK, admit it... your looking forward to the backroom dealings, backstabbings, and oath breaking that is going to take place during the combined adventures... Well, I know I am! I'm glad to see WotC approaching it this way... It's going to keep those Faction Masters on their toes, and we'd best recruit the better DM's to play up the faction conflicts to the max! Pat E
TMoonshadow 06-26-06, 07:56 PM	I think that it will be especially interesting to have a combined faction with Cabal of Shadows characters... I wonder how many players will jump at the idea of playing evil?
smerwin29 06-26-06, 08:19 PM	I wonder how many players will jump at the idea of playing evil? I wonder how many WON'T. :eek:
kiddoc 06-27-06, 01:40 PM	OK, admit it... your looking forward to the backroom dealings, backstabbings, and oath breaking that is going to take place during the combined adventures... Well, I know I am! I'm glad to see WotC approaching it this way... It's going to keep those Faction Masters on their toes, and we'd best recruit the better DM's to play up the faction conflicts to the max! Pat E This IS going to keep us on our toes! The most exciting thing is that we're breaking new ground for the RPGA and the way tabletop D&D is played in the tournament/convention environment. We're introducing some possibilities that have dire bats fluttering around in our collective stomachs and the adrenaline pumping. Inter and cross-faction dynamics are going to shape the face of this campaign. Be prepared!
striderlotr 06-27-06, 03:38 PM	Those inter faction dynamics are what I'm looking forward to. I think that this game play has a lot to offer. Now I'll just have to play more RPGA events so I can get some cards to use. Look out Gen Con and Winterfantasy... Skree the kobald socerer is coming back!
kiddoc 06-28-06, 02:17 PM	Some Wise Words(TM) I'm stealing from fellow Factionmaster Greg Marks of the Cabal of Shadows: Player vs. Player conflict is one of the biggest issues that I get asked about. There are several things to consider on this topic, as PvP means different things in a faction mod vs an expedition mod. 1) PvP in Faction Mods: PvP situtions seemly likely when everyone at the table might be evil, so how is this handled, especially when everyone might be from competing Obscura? Well, first off, you can't kill each other. When you become a full member of the Cabal (which all PCs do as of the beginning of the first faction mod) you are awarded some level of protection. Effectively all PCs are "Made Men" and can't be touched. Now this doesn't mean you have to save PCs who are bleeding out, or that you can arrange for someone else to be set up to take the fall for a crime. You just can't murder each other. If you do, they higher ups will find out about it and your PC is forfiet. You are execute painfully as an example to others. Now if you arrange a situation such that another PC is killed by an NPC, well that's just plain bad luck on that person's part. When you sit at a table, try to figure out who might also be in your Obscura (if any) so you know who might be your allies if it comes down to it. There will be more on recognizing fellow Obscura members without giving away your secret in the days to come. 2) PvP in Expedition and Delve Mods: First off, it's not a good idea for our PCs to mix with the others. They will want to kill us. That said, and given that this campaign actually has critical events that matter, many will want to mix it up in order to prevent another faction from succeeding. You can do that without killing each other. In fact, the Cabal would rather the PCs avoid exposing the Cabal's existance as much as possible. So if you pose as a member of another faction, you might prevent success (their success, not yours) by dragging your feet a bit, or being a bit bumbling, but DO NOT expose yourself or the Cabal. Now saying that, it is only polite that you admit your true faction to the players at your table as they muster. Avoiding springing it on them in the middle of play. Everyone likes different styles of play and some will enjoy putting their wits against yours in order to see how the critical events turn out for your table. However, other players hate conflict and you will ruin their time by having your fun. We all paid money to go to a big con and it takes a real donkey to screw five people out of four hows just so they can get some laughs. Be upfront and find the people who while want to play with you. We, as players of the Cabal of Shadows, have a huge responsibility. If this experiement in playing dark PCs goes astray and there are more complaints than positive comments we will never be allowed to do it again. Lets all be grown-ups and be respectful of others. Greg Marks Cabal of Shadows Factionmaster