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Skerrit
07-07-06, 11:57 AM Sometimes its hard to portray an evil PC. Oh sure we can all be rampaging lunatics. Most of us have seen enough slasher films to pull that off. But true, elegant evil can take some work since most of us aren't actually made that way. Every so often I come across good quotes that may serve as motivations for our CoS PCs and when I do, I'll share them here. Feel free to do the same.

"Superman has morals. He has ethics, he is unrelentingly good. Because of that, I will win"
-Lex Luther

"There will come a moment when you have the chance to do the right thing."
"I love those moments. I like to wave at them as they pass by."
-Elizabeth Swann and Captain Jack Sparrow
MysticRhythms
07-07-06, 03:11 PM Elegant evil is not exactly easy to pull off. I agree. i'll just have o jump on this bandwagon with some easy quotes first. I'll have to dig up some of the others i'm contemplating. My first contributions in an attempt in keeping with the thred come from the same character in the same movie.

I'm not a big Star Trek fan but one of the most motivated villains of all time had to have been Khan from Star Trek 2.

"I've done far worse than kill you, Admiral. I've hurt you. And I wish to go on hurting you. I shall leave you as you left me, as you left her: marooned for all eternity in the center of a dead planet, buried alive. Buried alive." - Khan

"From hell's heart, I stab at thee. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee." - Khan
Misroi
07-09-06, 02:22 PM Me, I always like going back to the classics.

"I wonder that thou, being, as thou sayest thou art,
born under Saturn, goest about to apply a moral
medicine to a mortifying mischief. I cannot hide
what I am: I must be sad when I have cause and smile
at no man's jests, eat when I have stomach and wait
for no man's leisure, sleep when I am drowsy and
tend on no man's business, laugh when I am merry and
claw no man in his humour.

"I had rather be a canker in a hedge than a rose in
his grace, and it better fits my blood to be
disdained of all than to fashion a carriage to rob
love from any: in this, though I cannot be said to
be a flattering honest man, it must not be denied
but I am a plain-dealing villain. I am trusted with
a muzzle and enfranchised with a clog; therefore I
have decreed not to sing in my cage. If I had my
mouth, I would bite; if I had my liberty, I would do
my liking: in the meantime let me be that I am and
seek not to alter me."
-Don John, "Much Ado About Nothing", I.iii

"Now is the winter of our discontent
Made glorious summer by this sun of York;
And all the clouds that lour'd upon our house
In the deep bosom of the ocean buried.
Now are our brows bound with victorious wreaths;
Our bruised arms hung up for monuments;
Our stern alarums changed to merry meetings,
Our dreadful marches to delightful measures.
Grim-visaged war hath smooth'd his wrinkled front;
And now, instead of mounting barded steeds
To fright the souls of fearful adversaries,
He capers nimbly in a lady's chamber
To the lascivious pleasing of a lute.
But I, that am not shaped for sportive tricks,
Nor made to court an amorous looking-glass;
I, that am rudely stamp'd, and want love's majesty
To strut before a wanton ambling nymph;
I, that am curtail'd of this fair proportion,
Cheated of feature by dissembling nature,
Deformed, unfinish'd, sent before my time
Into this breathing world, scarce half made up,
And that so lamely and unfashionable
That dogs bark at me as I halt by them;
Why, I, in this weak piping time of peace,
Have no delight to pass away the time,
Unless to spy my shadow in the sun
And descant on mine own deformity:
And therefore, since I cannot prove a lover,
To entertain these fair well-spoken days,
I am determined to prove a villain
And hate the idle pleasures of these days."
-Gloucester, "Richard III", I.i

"[M]eet it is I set it down,
That one may smile, and smile, and be a villain."
-Hamlet, "Hamlet", I.v
Munchausen
07-09-06, 09:00 PM “No poor bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making other bastards die for their country.”

“You need to overcome the tug of people against you as you reach for high goals.”

General George S Patton.
Skerrit
07-10-06, 12:15 PM Here is an especially relavent quote (since we aren't allowed to just murder our PC enemies):

"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist."
-Kevin Spacey, The Usual Suspects (based off a quote from The Generous Gambler, 1864)
Frobi-Wan Kenobi
07-10-06, 05:20 PM Not everyone will get this one but they will eventually.

"I need to shoot something. Where's the monkey?" Captain Jack Sparrow, Pirates 2
Misroi
07-10-06, 06:05 PM Since everyone else is posting lines from cinema's glam rock pirate...

"One soul is not equal to another!"

"Ah, so now we've established my concept is sound in principle, and now we're haggling on price. Just how many souls are worth mine?"

-Davy Jones and CAPTAIN Jack Sparrow, "Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest"

"But I wonder, Sparrow, can ye live with this? Can ye condemn an innocent man, a friend, to a lifetime of servitude in your name while you roam free?"

*pause*

"Yep, I'm good with it."

-the same
Frobi-Wan Kenobi
07-10-06, 06:18 PM Since everyone else is posting lines from cinema's glam rock pirate...

Well, my part about, "...but they will eventually." doesn't mean that they need to see the movie to do so . . . it's more of a CoS thing.
RatShifter
07-10-06, 07:39 PM We must stop thinking of the individual and start thinking about what is best for society." (Hillary Clinton, 1993)

(dont start a flame war, but this is a great quote to use to justify nearly anything for evils)
Simpi
07-12-06, 05:11 AM Here is an especially relavent quote (since we aren't allowed to just murder our PC enemies):[/I]

Where is this mentioned? I tried looking for it on Campaign Standards and could not find a reference. Of course, page 9 still mentions that nobody can be evil.

Only thing I can remember seeing is a general rule section saying "Players shall behave in a respectful and sporting manner at all times" which leaves things to be debated.

And I add a quote as well, this time one from real life:

"Death solves all problems - no man, no problem." - Joseph Stalin

S.
Skerrit
07-12-06, 10:52 AM Where is this mentioned? I tried looking for it on Campaign Standards and could not find a reference. Of course, page 9 still mentions that nobody can be evil.

It's been repeated a few places but go to the thread "first post" and scroll to my comment labeled "PvP." That is the first, and largest discussion of it. It should also be up on the XE website as soon as I am allowed to post web articles.
Fleetfang
07-18-06, 12:23 PM "From hell's heart, I stab at thee. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee." - Khan
This is actually Khan quoting Herman Melville, and the last words of Captain Ahab from Moby Dick:

"Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering whale; to the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee. Sink all coffins and all hearses to one common pool! and since neither can be mine, let me then tow to pieces, while still chasing thee, though tied to thee, thou damned whale! Thus, I give up the spear!"

Of course, Khan is in the exact same situation, driven mad in his pursuit of revenge.
Ah, the classics!
Sianger
07-27-06, 01:11 AM Since someone mentioned good ol' Uncle Joe, here's another one (made famous to my generation, I'm sure, by C&C Red Alert):

"When you kill one man, it is a tragedy. When you kill a million men, it is a statistic."
-Joseph Stalin
bronzmonkee
07-29-06, 12:46 PM Some notable quotes from my one of my favourite classy bad guys, The Operative, from Serenity:

"You know, in certain older civilized cultures, when men failed entirely, as you have, they would throw themselves on their swords."
...
"This is a good death, there is no shame in this... in a man's death... a man who has done fine works."

Mal: "I don't murder children."
The Operative: "I do... if I have to."

"I'm a monster. What I do is evil. I have no illusions about it, but it must be done."
klobbermeister
08-01-06, 04:38 PM "Now you know that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."-Dark Helmet.
Cainin
08-03-06, 09:46 AM "There once was a boy who dreamed of being a hero. Who believed sincerely in the battle to banish darkness from a world of light. But light and darkness are equal. And where one exists, so too must the other. And when the boy finally realized this, he had taken the first step towards being a true hero." -Record of Lodoss War

Sometimes the moral victory of evil is to make others realize that evil is needed just as much as other points of view.
AbyssKnight
08-09-06, 01:14 AM "Oh, how this villany doth fat me with the very thoughts of it! Let fools do good, and fair men call for grace. Aaron will have his soul black, like his face." Aaron, Titus Andronicus

Appropriate for all the drow characters in the Cabal.
dreamwolf
08-09-06, 09:01 AM Here are a couple from my favorite sociopath, Lady Macbeth--

"Consider it not so deeply" ( a wonderful response any time a not-so-evil PC worries about the course of action you have just suggested.)

"To beguile the time, look like the time; bear welcome in your eye, your hand, your tongue: look like the innocent flower, but be the serpent under't." (Especially fitting for our changeling members.)

"...fill me, from the crown to the toe, top-full of direst cruelty! Make thick my blood, stop up the access and passage to remorse, that no compunctious visitings of nature shake my fell purpose..."
klobbermeister
08-09-06, 03:44 PM "When devils will the blackest sins put on, They do suggest at first with heavenly shows! " - Iago

And, from the all-time best worst-movie-ever:

The Emperor Ming: Klytus, I'm bored. What play thing can you offer me today?

The Emperor Ming: I'd much rather see you on my side, than scattered into... atoms.

Princess Aura: Look! Water is leaking from her eyes.
The Emperor Ming: It's what they call tears, it's a sign of their weakness.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Skerrit 07-07-06, 11:57 AM	Sometimes its hard to portray an evil PC. Oh sure we can all be rampaging lunatics. Most of us have seen enough slasher films to pull that off. But true, elegant evil can take some work since most of us aren't actually made that way. Every so often I come across good quotes that may serve as motivations for our CoS PCs and when I do, I'll share them here. Feel free to do the same. "Superman has morals. He has ethics, he is unrelentingly good. Because of that, I will win" -Lex Luther "There will come a moment when you have the chance to do the right thing." "I love those moments. I like to wave at them as they pass by." -Elizabeth Swann and Captain Jack Sparrow
MysticRhythms 07-07-06, 03:11 PM	Elegant evil is not exactly easy to pull off. I agree. i'll just have o jump on this bandwagon with some easy quotes first. I'll have to dig up some of the others i'm contemplating. My first contributions in an attempt in keeping with the thred come from the same character in the same movie. I'm not a big Star Trek fan but one of the most motivated villains of all time had to have been Khan from Star Trek 2. "I've done far worse than kill you, Admiral. I've hurt you. And I wish to go on hurting you. I shall leave you as you left me, as you left her: marooned for all eternity in the center of a dead planet, buried alive. Buried alive." - Khan "From hell's heart, I stab at thee. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee." - Khan
Misroi 07-09-06, 02:22 PM	Me, I always like going back to the classics. "I wonder that thou, being, as thou sayest thou art, born under Saturn, goest about to apply a moral medicine to a mortifying mischief. I cannot hide what I am: I must be sad when I have cause and smile at no man's jests, eat when I have stomach and wait for no man's leisure, sleep when I am drowsy and tend on no man's business, laugh when I am merry and claw no man in his humour. "I had rather be a canker in a hedge than a rose in his grace, and it better fits my blood to be disdained of all than to fashion a carriage to rob love from any: in this, though I cannot be said to be a flattering honest man, it must not be denied but I am a plain-dealing villain. I am trusted with a muzzle and enfranchised with a clog; therefore I have decreed not to sing in my cage. If I had my mouth, I would bite; if I had my liberty, I would do my liking: in the meantime let me be that I am and seek not to alter me." -Don John, "Much Ado About Nothing", I.iii "Now is the winter of our discontent Made glorious summer by this sun of York; And all the clouds that lour'd upon our house In the deep bosom of the ocean buried. Now are our brows bound with victorious wreaths; Our bruised arms hung up for monuments; Our stern alarums changed to merry meetings, Our dreadful marches to delightful measures. Grim-visaged war hath smooth'd his wrinkled front; And now, instead of mounting barded steeds To fright the souls of fearful adversaries, He capers nimbly in a lady's chamber To the lascivious pleasing of a lute. But I, that am not shaped for sportive tricks, Nor made to court an amorous looking-glass; I, that am rudely stamp'd, and want love's majesty To strut before a wanton ambling nymph; I, that am curtail'd of this fair proportion, Cheated of feature by dissembling nature, Deformed, unfinish'd, sent before my time Into this breathing world, scarce half made up, And that so lamely and unfashionable That dogs bark at me as I halt by them; Why, I, in this weak piping time of peace, Have no delight to pass away the time, Unless to spy my shadow in the sun And descant on mine own deformity: And therefore, since I cannot prove a lover, To entertain these fair well-spoken days, I am determined to prove a villain And hate the idle pleasures of these days." -Gloucester, "Richard III", I.i "[M]eet it is I set it down, That one may smile, and smile, and be a villain." -Hamlet, "Hamlet", I.v
Munchausen 07-09-06, 09:00 PM	“No poor bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making other bastards die for their country.” “You need to overcome the tug of people against you as you reach for high goals.” General George S Patton.
Skerrit 07-10-06, 12:15 PM	Here is an especially relavent quote (since we aren't allowed to just murder our PC enemies): "The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist." -Kevin Spacey, The Usual Suspects (based off a quote from The Generous Gambler, 1864)
Frobi-Wan Kenobi 07-10-06, 05:20 PM	Not everyone will get this one but they will eventually. "I need to shoot something. Where's the monkey?" Captain Jack Sparrow, Pirates 2
Misroi 07-10-06, 06:05 PM	Since everyone else is posting lines from cinema's glam rock pirate... "One soul is not equal to another!" "Ah, so now we've established my concept is sound in principle, and now we're haggling on price. Just how many souls are worth mine?" -Davy Jones and CAPTAIN Jack Sparrow, "Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest" "But I wonder, Sparrow, can ye live with this? Can ye condemn an innocent man, a friend, to a lifetime of servitude in your name while you roam free?" pause "Yep, I'm good with it." -the same
Frobi-Wan Kenobi 07-10-06, 06:18 PM	Since everyone else is posting lines from cinema's glam rock pirate... Well, my part about, "...but they will eventually." doesn't mean that they need to see the movie to do so . . . it's more of a CoS thing.
RatShifter 07-10-06, 07:39 PM	We must stop thinking of the individual and start thinking about what is best for society." (Hillary Clinton, 1993) (dont start a flame war, but this is a great quote to use to justify nearly anything for evils)
Simpi 07-12-06, 05:11 AM	Here is an especially relavent quote (since we aren't allowed to just murder our PC enemies):[/I] Where is this mentioned? I tried looking for it on Campaign Standards and could not find a reference. Of course, page 9 still mentions that nobody can be evil. Only thing I can remember seeing is a general rule section saying "Players shall behave in a respectful and sporting manner at all times" which leaves things to be debated. And I add a quote as well, this time one from real life: "Death solves all problems - no man, no problem." - Joseph Stalin S.
Skerrit 07-12-06, 10:52 AM	Where is this mentioned? I tried looking for it on Campaign Standards and could not find a reference. Of course, page 9 still mentions that nobody can be evil. It's been repeated a few places but go to the thread "first post" and scroll to my comment labeled "PvP." That is the first, and largest discussion of it. It should also be up on the XE website as soon as I am allowed to post web articles.
Fleetfang 07-18-06, 12:23 PM	"From hell's heart, I stab at thee. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee." - Khan This is actually Khan quoting Herman Melville, and the last words of Captain Ahab from Moby Dick: "Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering whale; to the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee. Sink all coffins and all hearses to one common pool! and since neither can be mine, let me then tow to pieces, while still chasing thee, though tied to thee, thou damned whale! Thus, I give up the spear!" Of course, Khan is in the exact same situation, driven mad in his pursuit of revenge. Ah, the classics!
Sianger 07-27-06, 01:11 AM	Since someone mentioned good ol' Uncle Joe, here's another one (made famous to my generation, I'm sure, by C&C Red Alert): "When you kill one man, it is a tragedy. When you kill a million men, it is a statistic." -Joseph Stalin
bronzmonkee 07-29-06, 12:46 PM	Some notable quotes from my one of my favourite classy bad guys, The Operative, from Serenity: "You know, in certain older civilized cultures, when men failed entirely, as you have, they would throw themselves on their swords." ... "This is a good death, there is no shame in this... in a man's death... a man who has done fine works." Mal: "I don't murder children." The Operative: "I do... if I have to." "I'm a monster. What I do is evil. I have no illusions about it, but it must be done."
klobbermeister 08-01-06, 04:38 PM	"Now you know that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."-Dark Helmet.
Cainin 08-03-06, 09:46 AM	"There once was a boy who dreamed of being a hero. Who believed sincerely in the battle to banish darkness from a world of light. But light and darkness are equal. And where one exists, so too must the other. And when the boy finally realized this, he had taken the first step towards being a true hero." -Record of Lodoss War Sometimes the moral victory of evil is to make others realize that evil is needed just as much as other points of view.
AbyssKnight 08-09-06, 01:14 AM	"Oh, how this villany doth fat me with the very thoughts of it! Let fools do good, and fair men call for grace. Aaron will have his soul black, like his face." Aaron, Titus Andronicus Appropriate for all the drow characters in the Cabal.
dreamwolf 08-09-06, 09:01 AM	Here are a couple from my favorite sociopath, Lady Macbeth-- "Consider it not so deeply" ( a wonderful response any time a not-so-evil PC worries about the course of action you have just suggested.) "To beguile the time, look like the time; bear welcome in your eye, your hand, your tongue: look like the innocent flower, but be the serpent under't." (Especially fitting for our changeling members.) "...fill me, from the crown to the toe, top-full of direst cruelty! Make thick my blood, stop up the access and passage to remorse, that no compunctious visitings of nature shake my fell purpose..."
klobbermeister 08-09-06, 03:44 PM	"When devils will the blackest sins put on, They do suggest at first with heavenly shows! " - Iago And, from the all-time best worst-movie-ever: The Emperor Ming: Klytus, I'm bored. What play thing can you offer me today? The Emperor Ming: I'd much rather see you on my side, than scattered into... atoms. Princess Aura: Look! Water is leaking from her eyes. The Emperor Ming: It's what they call tears, it's a sign of their weakness.