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lordtiberiusfoxx 05-16-07, 01:17 PM	EDIT: Found the answer on pgs 7-8. I'm a dork. Feel free to delete the thread. When determining at what level you can purchase an item, do you use the original value of the item, full campaign value of an item, or the discounted price if available? Example: If someone with a wonderous package wants to buy a bead of force, does he need to be 5th level (3000gp base price), 6th level (6000gp from discount) or 9th level (15000gp campaign price)? Same question goes for if we get a story object that gives a thousand gp discount on items we want anyway that I'm SURE we'll never get ;). I'm pretty sure the answer is "discounted price", but I thought I'd check.
lseelba 05-19-07, 02:49 PM	EDIT: Found the answer on pgs 7-8. I'm a dork. Feel free to delete the thread. When determining at what level you can purchase an item, do you use the original value of the item, full campaign value of an item, or the discounted price if available? Example: If someone with a wonderous package wants to buy a bead of force, does he need to be 5th level (3000gp base price), 6th level (6000gp from discount) or 9th level (15000gp campaign price)? Same question goes for if we get a story object that gives a thousand gp discount on items we want anyway that I'm SURE we'll never get ;). I'm pretty sure the answer is "discounted price", but I thought I'd check. For the items in the 'packages' there is no minimum level. If you have unlocked a package you can buy the items in the package at any level, even level 1. This is on page 5.
quizboy 05-21-07, 02:13 PM	OK, I have a couple of questions about this: First, the Campaign Standards mention on pages 7 and 8 that campaign costs can be reduced by expansions and feats. I assumed the feats that could reduce campaign costs were item creation feats, but on page 10 in the example about item crafting it mentions that you have to meet the spending limit for the normal campaign cost of an item to make it (not the crafted cost). Which is correct? (or am I missing something?) Second, the CS mentions how campaign cost work for feats and item packages (via expansion slots), but how does campaign cost work for discounts received via story objects? I'm sorry if these questions have been answered previously, but I didn't see it anywhere. --Steven
Timlagor 05-21-07, 06:55 PM	The cost you pay (deduct from your EV) can be reduced. However the value of the item for the purposes of the price limit does not get reduced. Thus with the crafting feats you can get more items of up to your gp limit but not bigger items that other characters.
quizboy 05-21-07, 11:37 PM	The cost you pay (deduct from your EV) can be reduced. However the value of the item for the purposes of the price limit does not get reduced. Thus with the crafting feats you can get more items of up to your gp limit but not bigger items that other characters. So this is a known errata to the Campaign Standards? The bottom of page 7 seems to indicate otherwise, and explicitly states so at the top of page 8: Based on the feat and expansion item selection, the campaign cost fot this potion might drop as low as 150gp or even 100gp, but it is always more than cost published in its source. You use the campaign cost when determining whether an item is below the gold piece limit for your level. Then again, the example on page 10 seems to agree with your above statement. What is the official decision? Thanks. --Steven
smerwin29 05-21-07, 11:55 PM	The official decision is as Timlagor says. When looking at the cost of something to determine if it is over or under the gp limit for purposes of legal purchase for your level, use the campaign cost. The campaign cost is the cost that everyone has to pay. Even if you can purchase an item at a lower cost for some reason, you still use the full campaign cost to determine if it is under the gp limit for your level. Shawn Official Crimson Codex Somethingorother
quizboy 05-22-07, 10:25 AM	Thanks! I greatly appreciate the clarification. --Steven
smerwin29 05-22-07, 11:06 AM	My pleasure!
lordtiberiusfoxx 05-22-07, 01:12 PM	The official decision is as Timlagor says. When looking at the cost of something to determine if it is over or under the gp limit for purposes of legal purchase for your level, use the campaign cost. The campaign cost is the cost that everyone has to pay. Even if you can purchase an item at a lower cost for some reason, you still use the full campaign cost to determine if it is under the gp limit for your level. Shawn Official Crimson Codex Somethingorother What? Whoa! In other words, if an author of a mod is crazy enough to give, say, a 1000gp discount on stat boost items (not that any of the factionmasters are this generous or crazy of course ;) ), my character has to treat the item as still costing 4000 gp for the purposes of the gp limit?
smerwin29 05-22-07, 01:51 PM	What? Whoa! In other words, if an author of a mod is crazy enough to give, say, a 1000gp discount on stat boost items (not that any of the factionmasters are this generous or crazy of course ;) ), my character has to treat the item as still costing 4000 gp for the purposes of the gp limit? That is correct. Otherwise, the theoretical Factionmaster in your example should be punched in the head . . . ahem :looloo:
lordtiberiusfoxx 05-22-07, 03:01 PM	That is correct. Otherwise, the theoretical Factionmaster in your example should be punched in the head . . . ahem :looloo: ROTFLMAO