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Skerrit 09-18-06, 03:16 PM	I just wanted to make a quick note concerning the problems everyone has had with the database. The database is still be worked and will hopefully someday be running at full steam. Until that happens consider signed Adventure Journals just like you would logsheets or ARs for any other campaign. If someone has a story object signed off on their journal, the DM should honor it even if the database doesn't list it yet. In addition, the Journal makes a great back up if the database if down, or something happens that you don't get reported. Fill them out, don't take chances. ADVENTURE JOURNALS ARE LEGAL DOCUMENTATION FOR THE XE CAMPAIGN. PLEASE USE THEM.
DBlizzard 09-18-06, 09:26 PM	If someone has a story object signed off on their journal, the DM should honor it even if the database doesn't list it yet. That assumes, of course, that the adventure journal states what the story object does or the DM happens to know. Given we don't have a master list, some DMs may not know. In fact, the Adventure Journals don't seem to have area designed to note story objects. DMs not aware of the problem are unlikely to mark them. May I assume that this is an admission that the database isn't going to be fixed anytime soon?
smerwin29 09-18-06, 09:33 PM	That assumes, of course, that the adventure journal states what the story object does or the DM happens to know. Given we don't have a master list, some DMs may not know. The text of the Story Objects are printed in the modules, so the DMs will know. In fact, the Adventure Journals don't seem to have area designed to note story objects. DMs not aware of the problem are unlikely to mark them. The Adventure Journal will most likely be redesigned to have enough room for anything. May I assume that this is an admission that the database isn't going to be fixed anytime soon? No. The Factionmasters don't know when the database is going to be fixed. But we know it isn't working right now, and we know that the Adventure Journal is a way for players to keep tabs on their own characters.
Skerrit 09-18-06, 09:34 PM	I don't know anything about how soon the database will be at full strength, so its only an admission that factionmasters want to have the adventure journals as a backup. As for the story objects, I know that at least in the Cabal mods I make an effort to mention story objects that apply and what they do (should they come up in later mods). Also, we are further redesigning the Adventure Journals to have a spot for Story Objects. Until then, please note your story objects anywhere you can fit them in. Reguardless of what a DM may or may not know to write an adventure journal, you now know so you can educate them if they don't know to put the info on your journal. Basically the Factionmasters know there is a problem with the way things are right now, so we're fixing it as best we can with the tools we have.
DBlizzard 09-18-06, 10:24 PM	The text of the Story Objects are printed in the modules, so the DMs will know. True, my point is that the DMs running the adventure giving out the Story Object knows what it is. The DM running a future adventure may not know unless the full text is written in the journal. Don't get me wrong, I think the factionmasters are doing an incredible job. I just think it's clear that WotC isn't giving you the tools you need to get the job done. It also seems clear it's not a high priority for them to do so, so many of us are quite pessimistic about the success in spite of your enthusiasm
Herrbard 09-19-06, 07:05 AM	OK, I appreciate the Adventure Journal concept, and have used them since I became aware of them. Here is a tougher question: What about those who have played the adventures before the adventure journals were out? I have a group that played all four first faction adventures at Origins. There were no adventure journals. The games have all been reported (yay!) but there are no story objects, and we've basically been told that the possibility of them ever showing up is nil. There were no adventure journals. Tracking down the GMs could be difficult, and even if I could, I doubt they would all remember an event from three months past. (Well, except Shawn, who remembers everything).:D I also encouraged every table of players I ran at GenCon to get the journals, but not all did, for various reasons. And no one knew about story objects not going through at GenCon, so we didn't write them down and sign off on them for the journals that were filled out. It seems like a lot of players are going to get no story objects for games they legitimately played, through no fault of their own, and there doesn't seem to be a way to fix it. Just my observation.
Sieylianna 09-19-06, 07:39 AM	Deleted duplicate
smerwin29 09-19-06, 09:09 AM	OK, I appreciate the Adventure Journal concept, and have used them since I became aware of them. Here is a tougher question: What about those who have played the adventures before the adventure journals were out? It seems like a lot of players are going to get no story objects for games they legitimately played, through no fault of their own, and there doesn't seem to be a way to fix it. Well, at some point the database should be working properly, at which time the story objects WILL appear there. Not saying that the situation is perfect, and I understand some people are lacking information. We Factionmasters will try to make things right the best we can.
Frobi-Wan Kenobi 09-19-06, 11:42 AM	Okay, but how are we to track Equipment Value and Experience Points? Will each set just have a set amount of this similar to LG? So the first set of adventures was worth each 500 XP & 300 EV the next is worth 1000 XP and 1000 EV with the ones at SoCal being 1500 XP and 2000 EV or something similar? I just don't know what to suggest for the Well of Woe. Rob
kiddoc 09-19-06, 01:57 PM	Okay, but how are we to track Equipment Value and Experience Points? Will each set just have a set amount of this similar to LG? So the first set of adventures was worth each 500 XP & 300 EV the next is worth 1000 XP and 1000 EV with the ones at SoCal being 1500 XP and 2000 EV or something similar? I just don't know what to suggest for the Well of Woe. Rob From this point forward, with the newest revision of the CS and Adventure Journals (as well as our own internal writing requirements) DM's and players will have all the information they need to fully update their characters by way of the adventure journal. Previous adventures can be retroactively done on a case-by-case basis, or once the database updates.
Mherduwynn 09-23-06, 02:45 PM	Stay tuned for a posted announcement on the website that will allow all players in the Campaign to fully update themselves and remain current until the database issues have been resolved. Thanks, -August
sir evets 09-24-06, 07:35 PM	I have noticed that the reported tables I DO have for my Xen characters are not reported correctly. Story objests and gold I should have I don't. I even lost a level on one character. Quite a number of players in my area are refusing to play Xen because of the problems. I am thinking of not playing because of the problems.
kiddoc 09-24-06, 09:18 PM	I have noticed that the reported tables I DO have for my Xen characters are not reported correctly. Story objests and gold I should have I don't. I even lost a level on one character. Quite a number of players in my area are refusing to play Xen because of the problems. I am thinking of not playing because of the problems. This is exactly the situation for which the Adventure Journal was created. If you have your adventure journal your character should have ALL the correct experience and story objects. If I were you, I'd encourage your players to remember to bring their adventure journals. The database is a nice bonus, but the journals WILL be where the DM's begin to look first as the campaign progresses. There cannot be any loss of XP/gold or misreporting of story objects if you are using your adventure journals. Keep those adventure journals handy, and let me know how it goes. If you have any problems with the Adventure Journals, send myself, or one of the other factionmasters a PM.
heirodule 09-24-06, 10:38 PM	From this point forward, with the newest revision of the CS and Adventure Journals (as well as our own internal writing requirements) DM's and players will have all the information they need to fully update their characters by way of the adventure journal. Previous adventures can be retroactively done on a case-by-case basis, or once the database updates. right now? Are the 'newest revisions" available now? Is this the "point forward" that we go from? I don't see any changes in the latest CS and AJs. They don't have XP or gold on them. I don't know what my PCs XP total is. I'm running mods this weekend, and the mods I have now don't have XP or gold totals in them What is the 'point' at which we move forward?
GaiasDream 09-25-06, 12:16 AM	This is exactly the situation for which the Adventure Journal was created. If you have your adventure journal your character should have ALL the correct experience and story objects. If I were you, I'd encourage your players to remember to bring their adventure journals. The database is a nice bonus, but the journals WILL be where the DM's begin to look first as the campaign progresses. There cannot be any loss of XP/gold or misreporting of story objects if you are using your adventure journals. Keep those adventure journals handy, and let me know how it goes. If you have any problems with the Adventure Journals, send myself, or one of the other factionmasters a PM. Hi Kiddoc, I have all my signed and documented Adventure Journals from GenCon. My story awards are recorded there, but there was no documentation provided by the DMs on our EV or XP gained for the modules. This is not to say the DMs were negligent; I believe they were all operating under the assumption that such info would be swiftly entered into the RPGA database. Unfortunately, we know that has not happened. So, how do we go about recovering our correct XP and EV values for modules we have played in & documented with Adventure Journals, but for which we were not provided XP and EV rewards? Thanks, Nick
Herrbard 09-25-06, 06:53 AM	So, how do we go about recovering our correct XP and EV values for modules we have played in & documented with Adventure Journals, but for which we were not provided XP and EV rewards? And to continue the question, how do we go about recovering our correct XP and EV and story objects for modules we have played in before Adventure Journals were available? (Origins and Pre-GenCon games).
Skerrit 09-25-06, 09:04 AM	There will be a post on the website detailing how to deal with the mistakes at Gen Con, and what you should enter into your journal for xp and gp. I do not know when it will be posted however, that is out of my hands.
Kelvane 09-27-06, 12:28 AM	Any idea if it will be posted before Dan's Con of the Vale? My Gen Con Well of Woe still hasn't been reported. I checked the night before we flew out and the Adventure journal was not available and my GM knew nothing about it.
Marcia_S 09-28-06, 03:54 PM	Since we're supposed to be using the Adventure Journals to track our characters' EV and Exp, in lieu of the database, what are they? We're going to be playing a bunch of mods locally this weekend and several people have played those characters before, but STILL don't have accurate updates to their characters (especially for Well of Woe). I guess we'd need to know what the EV and exp are for anything that's currently available, which would be mods 1 & 2 and DM's Marks 1 & 2 for each faction and each part of Well of Woe. I don't know how long it'll be before the database problems are sorted out, but if we're going to have to track our characters like in LG, LA, LF, etc., we'll need to be told how much gold and experience characters are supposed to get for each mod. Thanks, Marcia
Mherduwynn 09-29-06, 06:48 AM	Hold tight, Marcia. We KNOW you all need this information. You will have your answers very soon... -A