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maddog0714 07-20-07, 10:03 AM	If Ranger's are one of the favored class to be an agent retriever, then why do they need 24 skill ranks in gather information? since that is a cross class skill, wouldn't that mean he or she would have to be something like 42nd level ranger to have 24 skill ranks in gather information?
NinjaPenguin 07-20-07, 10:06 AM	Or be human, take a level of Rogue, and Able Learner? It does seem odd, though.
rob_douglas 07-20-07, 11:43 AM	Yeah, it is annoying. It also seems like a good class for a Bard - but bard's can't be lawful, and AR's are supposed to be lawful. I personally nixed the lawful requirement. Heck, one of the ARs in the Gleaners is not even Lawful pre-errata. A Ranger/Bard seems like an ideal build for it. the ELH certainly didn't expect Able Learner, since that feat hadn't yet been invented. The other problem is that Knowledge (the Planes) is also cross class for Ranger, so getting in there is hard. Player in my party did it with Ranger20/Cleric2/Rogue1 - just barely - needed an INT boost at 21st level for the extra skill points. but his 24th level will be AR1. (And he is NG, not Lawful....) ROB
Salernodc 07-20-07, 01:35 PM	Yeah - they really messed up the requirements of this class. The alignment restriction makes no sense whatsoever. The strict Gather Information prereq needs to be lowered to 15 ranks or so. Frankly, I revamped this PrC after watching Raiders of the Lost Ark & The Goonies on a very rainy day....what can I say? I was inspired by Indy and the Truffle Shuffle. I am happy to follow alignment restrictions that maske sense. those that don't make sense are summarily dropped.
rob_douglas 07-20-07, 04:48 PM	So what was your revamp - just remove the AL restriction, and drop Gather Info to 15? BTW, I actually kept an alignment restriction - non-chaotic, non-evil. I thought they wanted to have those you could trust, and I felt CG and LE both did not fit the role as I saw it. ROB
Salernodc 07-20-07, 07:29 PM	The Artifact/Agent Retriever Hit Die: d6 Requirements: Skills – Gather Information 20 ranks, Knowledge (arcana) 10 ranks, Knowledge (history) 15 ranks, Knowledge (the planes) 10 ranks, Use Magic Device 15 ranks Feats – Epic Skill Focus [One of the following: Gather Information, Knowledge (arcana, history, or the planes)] Class Skills Str: Climb, Swim Dex: Hide, Move Silently, Open Lock, Sleight of Hand Con: -- Int: Appraise, Decipher Script, Disable Device, Forgery, Knowledge (all skills, taken individually), Search Wis: Listen, Sense Motive, Spot Cha: Bluff, Diplomacy, Use Magic Device Skill Points at Each Level: 8 + Int modifier The Artifact Retriever Level Special 1 Uncanny location, Superior treasure acquisition 2 Plane shift 1/day 3 Artifact knowledge I, Force sphere 1/day 4 Bonus feat 5 Ethereal jaunt 1/day 6 Artifact knowledge II 7 Plane shift 2/day 8 Bonus feat , Force sphere 2/day 9 Artifact knowledge III 10 Ethereal jaunt 2/day The superior treasure acquisition ability roughly means that the character has greater wealth than a character of his level - roughly 1-2 levels higher than a character of equivalent level. Artifact knowledge provides the character with detailed info about the history and present location of a powerful artifact. This ability is similar to the Epic Arcane Artisan's ability to "have created magic items now and again during down time". The ability assumes the character has been studying and researching in and around adventures. All other abilities are as presented in the ELH.