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Dj84JA
06-19-07, 12:16 AM Hi, not certain if this is the right board to be asking this, but can someone tell me the story behind Bahamut? All I know of him is that he is a very powerful good dragon and that he has a counter-rival (Timat?). That's about it.
Taeldrin Laesrash
06-19-07, 12:48 AM Bahamut, the Platinum Dragon, is the patron god of good dragons. According to Deities and Demigods, he's an Lesser Deity, LG, and resides on the plane of Celestia. Likewise, Tiamat is the Hell-dwelling LE goddess of evil dragons.
runestar
06-19-07, 01:18 AM If wikipedia can be trusted, his sister is supposedly starting to get the hots for him...:P
Potato_Dragon
06-19-07, 05:05 AM In Babylonian mythology, Marduk is the good dragon, Tiamat is the evil dragon, and Bahamut is the neutral (or possibly chaotic) dragon. The word behemoth is derived from Bahamut. I have no idea why Gygax et al changed it like that.
Witch
06-19-07, 05:55 AM Marduk isn't a dragon.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4f/Marduk_and_pet.jpg/180px-Marduk_and_pet.jpg
His pet is a dragon.

Neither is Tiamat a dragon.
Though Tiamat is often described by modern authors as a sea serpent or dragon, no ancient texts exist in which there is a clear association with those kind of creatures. Though the Enûma Elish specifically states that Tiamat did give birth to dragons and serpents, they are included among a larger and more general list of monsters including scorpion men and merpeople, none of which imply that any of the children look like the mother or are even limited to aquatic creatures.

Within the Enûma Elish her physical description includes, a tail, a thigh, "lower parts" (which shake together), a belly, an udder, ribs, a neck, a head, a skull, eyes, nostrils, a mouth, and lips. She has insides, a heart, arteries, and blood.

The depiction of Tiamat as a multi-headed dragon was popularized in the 1970s as a fixture of the Dungeons & Dragons roleplaying game thanks to earlier sources associating Tiamat with later mythological characters such as Lotan and others.

I also can't even link Bahamut with Babylonian mythology, given that
Bahamut (Arabic: بهموت Bahamūt) is a giant omnipotent being in Arabian mythology, thus the Christian counterpart, Behemoth and the vocabulary significance. Bahamut rides on a giant whale creature called Liwash that resides in a vast sea, the Adwad. He supports a huge bull named Kujuta who supports a rock of ruby, atop which stands an angel who supports the seven heavens.
Though I may simply haven't looked long enough on this.
Luis_Dragunov
06-19-07, 06:48 AM Ancient people worshiped some really wacko figures o.o scary ones too.
BelRex
06-19-07, 08:07 AM According to races of the dragon: Io created his first children, intent on perfecting them. First born was Vorel, or beautiful in draconic(basically, a beautiful air-headed dragon). But he found that one form was too limited to contained all that he wanted. So he created one male and one female, one good one evil. He wanted them to grow up together, learn from one another, and to mate, bringing together all the attributes of dragonkind. But instead of love, they became rivals. Tiamat slew Vorel and hoped to pin it on Bahamut. He found the truth, and banished Tiamat, though he still loved her. To get back, she started creating her own races, as did Bahamut to counter her. Io is patient..and waits for the perfect dragon to arise. How's that for the short version?

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Dj84JA 06-19-07, 12:16 AM	Hi, not certain if this is the right board to be asking this, but can someone tell me the story behind Bahamut? All I know of him is that he is a very powerful good dragon and that he has a counter-rival (Timat?). That's about it.
Taeldrin Laesrash 06-19-07, 12:48 AM	Bahamut, the Platinum Dragon, is the patron god of good dragons. According to Deities and Demigods, he's an Lesser Deity, LG, and resides on the plane of Celestia. Likewise, Tiamat is the Hell-dwelling LE goddess of evil dragons.
runestar 06-19-07, 01:18 AM	If wikipedia can be trusted, his sister is supposedly starting to get the hots for him...:P
Potato_Dragon 06-19-07, 05:05 AM	In Babylonian mythology, Marduk is the good dragon, Tiamat is the evil dragon, and Bahamut is the neutral (or possibly chaotic) dragon. The word behemoth is derived from Bahamut. I have no idea why Gygax et al changed it like that.
Witch 06-19-07, 05:55 AM	Marduk isn't a dragon. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4f/Marduk_and_pet.jpg/180px-Marduk_and_pet.jpg His pet is a dragon. Neither is Tiamat a dragon. Though Tiamat is often described by modern authors as a sea serpent or dragon, no ancient texts exist in which there is a clear association with those kind of creatures. Though the Enûma Elish specifically states that Tiamat did give birth to dragons and serpents, they are included among a larger and more general list of monsters including scorpion men and merpeople, none of which imply that any of the children look like the mother or are even limited to aquatic creatures. Within the Enûma Elish her physical description includes, a tail, a thigh, "lower parts" (which shake together), a belly, an udder, ribs, a neck, a head, a skull, eyes, nostrils, a mouth, and lips. She has insides, a heart, arteries, and blood. The depiction of Tiamat as a multi-headed dragon was popularized in the 1970s as a fixture of the Dungeons & Dragons roleplaying game thanks to earlier sources associating Tiamat with later mythological characters such as Lotan and others. I also can't even link Bahamut with Babylonian mythology, given that Bahamut (Arabic: بهموت Bahamūt) is a giant omnipotent being in Arabian mythology, thus the Christian counterpart, Behemoth and the vocabulary significance. Bahamut rides on a giant whale creature called Liwash that resides in a vast sea, the Adwad. He supports a huge bull named Kujuta who supports a rock of ruby, atop which stands an angel who supports the seven heavens. Though I may simply haven't looked long enough on this.
Luis_Dragunov 06-19-07, 06:48 AM	Ancient people worshiped some really wacko figures o.o scary ones too.
BelRex 06-19-07, 08:07 AM	According to races of the dragon: Io created his first children, intent on perfecting them. First born was Vorel, or beautiful in draconic(basically, a beautiful air-headed dragon). But he found that one form was too limited to contained all that he wanted. So he created one male and one female, one good one evil. He wanted them to grow up together, learn from one another, and to mate, bringing together all the attributes of dragonkind. But instead of love, they became rivals. Tiamat slew Vorel and hoped to pin it on Bahamut. He found the truth, and banished Tiamat, though he still loved her. To get back, she started creating her own races, as did Bahamut to counter her. Io is patient..and waits for the perfect dragon to arise. How's that for the short version?