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strenoth 06-08-07, 12:25 AM	Two weapon Defense is, well, possibly sub optimal series of feats, but I like the idea, and want to take it epic. So, here's my idea: Epic Two Weapon Defense Prerequisites: Dex 29 (Improved, greater, perfect) TWF (improved, greater) TWD Benefits: Increase the Shield bonus granted by greater TWD by +2. This feat may be taken multiple time, each time increasing the total bonus granted by +2 Now, this is twice as good as armor skin, but it also has more prerequisites, and requires that one have two weapons wielded in order to benefit from it, so I think it's reasonably balanced. What do you think?
BillTheManiac 06-11-07, 01:51 PM	Epic Two Weapon Defense Prerequisites: Dex 29 (Improved, greater, perfect) TWF (improved, greater) TWD Benefits: Increase the Shield bonus granted by greater TWD by +2. This feat may be taken up to X times, each time increasing the total bonus granted by +2 That's what I'd do.
rob_douglas 06-11-07, 04:52 PM	I don't like the idea of "may be taken up to X times" as then what if you play a higher level game than X is set for, unless X is one - there are plenty of 1 time feats. I also don't like that this is twice as good as Armor Skin all the time. As a one time feat it would be fine - like how Epic Weapon Focus is double Epic Prowess because it is with only one weapon and only once. You could limit the number of times based on Dex, but there is no precedence for that. So I prefer to make it a one-time only feat for now. Once you qualify for it, you automatically would qualify to take it again and again and again. I don't like that even for something with lots of prereqs. Just MHO, ROB
BillTheManiac 06-11-07, 04:59 PM	I was originally considering Epic Two Weapon Defense Prerequisites: Dex 29 (Improved, greater, perfect) TWF (improved, greater) TWD Benefits: Increase the Shield bonus granted by greater TWD by +2. This feat may be taken up to X times, each additional time increasing the total bonus granted by +1 but then I decided you could just take Armor Skin. But now I like this better.
bluemage55 06-11-07, 05:12 PM	I don't like the idea of "may be taken up to X times" as then what if you play a higher level game than X is set for, unless X is one - there are plenty of 1 time feats. I also don't like that this is twice as good as Armor Skin all the time. As a one time feat it would be fine - like how Epic Weapon Focus is double Epic Prowess because it is with only one weapon and only once. You could limit the number of times based on Dex, but there is no precedence for that. So I prefer to make it a one-time only feat for now. Once you qualify for it, you automatically would qualify to take it again and again and again. I don't like that even for something with lots of prereqs. I recall discussing the issue of Armor Skin on my revision thread, and I believe the consensus was that it should give +2 AC, not +1, as the Improved Natural Armor non-epic feat already grants +1. It's also important to note that a shield bonus is not particularly amazing, as it will take several epic feats to surpass the standard animated tower shield that a character can have instead.