Dragon Cohort [Archive] - Wizards Community

Dragon Cohort [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Nizo
12-06-07, 09:32 PM I am making a 40th level and decided I wanted a dragon cohort, so I pulled open the draconomicon and realized it was only pre-epic. So I decided to come to the epic boards to ask for an epic dragon cohort table. I will have a 39th level dragon to pick from and I know that great wyrms have around 40hd but what does that mean to me?
Taeldrin Laesrash
12-06-07, 11:38 PM The ELH says a Wyrm White is 26th level, and an Ancient Silver is 30th level. So by 39th, you could very well have a Great Wyrm Gold Dragon helping you out, or a Juvenile Prismatic Dragon or a Young Adult Force Dragon. You'll mostly have to ad hoc it and compare Hit Dice.
Suspect_Unusual
12-07-07, 12:09 AM The ELH says a Wyrm White is 26th level, and an Ancient Silver is 30th level. So by 39th, you could very well have a Great Wyrm Gold Dragon helping you out, or a Juvenile Prismatic Dragon or a Young Adult Force Dragon. You'll mostly have to ad hoc it and compare Hit Dice.

39th seems low for a creature with 42 HD, since cohorts work off of ECL.

Ancient Silver dragons have 34 HD, as it happens, not including what I'd assume would be at least an LA of +5. Did dragons change significantly from 3.0 to 3.5, ECL-wise?
Starmage21
12-07-07, 06:19 AM 39th seems low for a creature with 42 HD, since cohorts work off of ECL.

Ancient Silver dragons have 34 HD, as it happens, not including what I'd assume would be at least an LA of +5. Did dragons change significantly from 3.0 to 3.5, ECL-wise?

yes. Draconomicon places dragon ECL at +1 LA per age category above and beyond the highest LA listed.
Nizo
12-07-07, 11:06 PM yes. Draconomicon places dragon ECL at +1 LA per age category above and beyond the highest LA listed.

I must have missed that when I was reading through it. What page is this on!?
Starmage21
12-08-07, 01:17 AM I must have missed that when I was reading through it. What page is this on!?

I couldnt quote a page number, but I am 100% sure its there somewhere in the dragons as PCs section.
rob_douglas
12-12-07, 09:57 AM Ancient Silver Dragon was statted as ECL 42 in the ELH update booklet.
So you could get a Very Old Silver Dragon at ECL 39:

Here is my progression, based on the initial, and the ELH. +1 LA per age category is too much:

Dragon ECLs

Silver

Age
Category LA HD ECL Source
1 +4 7 11 Monster Manual
2 +4 10 14 Monster Manual
3 +5 13 18 Monster Manual
4 +5 16 21
5 +6 19 25
6 +6 22 28
7 +7 25 32
8 +7 28 35
9 +8 31 39
10 +8 34 42 Epic Level Update booklet
11 +9 37 46
12 +9 40 49

Red

Age
Category LA HD ECL Source
1 +4 7 11 Monster Manual
2 +5 10 15 Monster Manual
3 +6 13 19 Monster Manual
4 +6 16 22
5 +7 19 26
6 +7 22 29
7 +7 25 32
8 +8 28 36
9 +8 31 39
10 +8 34 42
11 +9 37 46
12 +9 40 49

ROB
Starmage21
12-12-07, 11:52 AM Ancient Silver Dragon was statted as ECL 42 in the ELH update booklet.
So you could get a Very Old Silver Dragon at ECL 39:

Here is my progression, based on the initial, and the ELH. +1 LA per age category is too much:

It might be. I dont own draconomicon so I dont allow my players to use it. Its never received any acid testing by my group.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Nizo 12-06-07, 09:32 PM	I am making a 40th level and decided I wanted a dragon cohort, so I pulled open the draconomicon and realized it was only pre-epic. So I decided to come to the epic boards to ask for an epic dragon cohort table. I will have a 39th level dragon to pick from and I know that great wyrms have around 40hd but what does that mean to me?
Taeldrin Laesrash 12-06-07, 11:38 PM	The ELH says a Wyrm White is 26th level, and an Ancient Silver is 30th level. So by 39th, you could very well have a Great Wyrm Gold Dragon helping you out, or a Juvenile Prismatic Dragon or a Young Adult Force Dragon. You'll mostly have to ad hoc it and compare Hit Dice.
Suspect_Unusual 12-07-07, 12:09 AM	The ELH says a Wyrm White is 26th level, and an Ancient Silver is 30th level. So by 39th, you could very well have a Great Wyrm Gold Dragon helping you out, or a Juvenile Prismatic Dragon or a Young Adult Force Dragon. You'll mostly have to ad hoc it and compare Hit Dice. 39th seems low for a creature with 42 HD, since cohorts work off of ECL. Ancient Silver dragons have 34 HD, as it happens, not including what I'd assume would be at least an LA of +5. Did dragons change significantly from 3.0 to 3.5, ECL-wise?
Starmage21 12-07-07, 06:19 AM	39th seems low for a creature with 42 HD, since cohorts work off of ECL. Ancient Silver dragons have 34 HD, as it happens, not including what I'd assume would be at least an LA of +5. Did dragons change significantly from 3.0 to 3.5, ECL-wise? yes. Draconomicon places dragon ECL at +1 LA per age category above and beyond the highest LA listed.
Nizo 12-07-07, 11:06 PM	yes. Draconomicon places dragon ECL at +1 LA per age category above and beyond the highest LA listed. I must have missed that when I was reading through it. What page is this on!?
Starmage21 12-08-07, 01:17 AM	I must have missed that when I was reading through it. What page is this on!? I couldnt quote a page number, but I am 100% sure its there somewhere in the dragons as PCs section.
rob_douglas 12-12-07, 09:57 AM	Ancient Silver Dragon was statted as ECL 42 in the ELH update booklet. So you could get a Very Old Silver Dragon at ECL 39: Here is my progression, based on the initial, and the ELH. +1 LA per age category is too much: Dragon ECLs Silver Age Category LA HD ECL Source 1 +4 7 11 Monster Manual 2 +4 10 14 Monster Manual 3 +5 13 18 Monster Manual 4 +5 16 21 5 +6 19 25 6 +6 22 28 7 +7 25 32 8 +7 28 35 9 +8 31 39 10 +8 34 42 Epic Level Update booklet 11 +9 37 46 12 +9 40 49 Red Age Category LA HD ECL Source 1 +4 7 11 Monster Manual 2 +5 10 15 Monster Manual 3 +6 13 19 Monster Manual 4 +6 16 22 5 +7 19 26 6 +7 22 29 7 +7 25 32 8 +8 28 36 9 +8 31 39 10 +8 34 42 11 +9 37 46 12 +9 40 49 ROB
Starmage21 12-12-07, 11:52 AM	Ancient Silver Dragon was statted as ECL 42 in the ELH update booklet. So you could get a Very Old Silver Dragon at ECL 39: Here is my progression, based on the initial, and the ELH. +1 LA per age category is too much: It might be. I dont own draconomicon so I dont allow my players to use it. Its never received any acid testing by my group.