Epic Fiendbinder? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Epic Fiendbinder? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Ariath Ska'Vhor
04-18-07, 07:05 PM This is by far my favorite ToM prestige class, and I've been getting far more curious about epic level characters. I remember long ago seeing an epic progression (and suiting epic fiends) that go along with this class. I've been scouring the internet for quite some time now and I'm wondering if anyone has their own, or a link to someone else's handy. If there is indeed one out there, I'll be most appreciative. Thank you.:D
Witch
04-18-07, 07:28 PM I've got an expanded fiendbinder laying around on my other computer. I'll post it when I get access to it. Note that it's mostly non-epic, but it eventually grants access to balors, pit fiends and an infernal.
Ariath Ska'Vhor
04-18-07, 07:31 PM I've got an expanded fiendbinder laying around on my other computer. I'll post it when I get access to it. Note that it's mostly non-epic, but it eventually grants access to balors, pit fiends and an infernal.

I'm diggin' that. Thanks in advance.
Witch
04-18-07, 07:36 PM Managed to find it on a forum I posted it, so it's early:
Because I find the list in Tome of Magic somewhat lacking, I decided to expand the fiendbinders lists of choices a bit.
I'll make a few clarifications first:
The level I put new fiends on was based on their challenge rating, and to lesser degree, their hit dice. If the difference in hit dice was higher than 1 compared to a fiend on the list in Tome of Magic, I generally put the new fiend on a higher level.
The price was calculated according to the following formula:
Level Available*CR*Ratio (rounded up)
“Level Available” implies the fiendbinder level you require before you can bind this fiend.
“Ratio” implies a number which is connected to that level. I calculated the ratio for a certain level by dividing the price by (CR*Level Available). This leads to at least somewhat reliable prices.

This is a list of the fiends in Tome of Magic, together with their Level Available, Hit Dice, CR, Price and Ratio:
1 Babau: 7 HD – CR 6 – 2,700 – ratio 450
2 Succubus: 6 HD – CR7 – 3,600 – ratio 257
3 Hellcat: 8 HD – CR 7 – 4,900 – ratio 233
4 Vrock: 10 HD – CR 9 – 6,600 – ratio 183
5 Cauchemar Nightmare: 15 HD – CR 11 – 8,800 – ratio 160
6 Retriever: 10 HD – CR 11 – 11,000 – ratio 167
7 Hezrou: 10 HD – CR 11 – 15,000 – ratio 195
8 Barbed Devil: 12 HD – CR 11 – 20,000 – ratio 227
9 Ice Devil: 14 HD – CR 13 – 26,000 – ratio 222
10 Marilith: 16 HD – CR 17 – 34,000 – ratio 200

This is a list with the new fiends, with the same factors listed.
1 Imp - 3HD - CR 2 - 900 - ratio 450
1 Lemure - 2 HD - CR 1 - 450 - ratio 450
1 Quasit - 3HD - CR 2 - 900 - ratio 450
1 Dretch - 2 HD - CR 1 - 450 - ratio 450
1 Bearded Devil: 6 HD – CR 5 – 2250 – ratio 450
1 Jovoc (MM2): 4 HD – CR 5 – 2250 – ratio 450
1 Nabassu, Juvenile (FC1): 5 HD – CR 5 – 2,250 – ratio 450 [Can not grow mature]
2 Chain Devil: 8 HD – CR 6 – 3,100 – ratio 257
3 Amnizu (MM2): 9 HD – CR 7 – 4,900 – ratio 233
4 Bone Devil: 10 HD – CR 9 – 6,600 – ratio 183
4 Erinyes: 9 HD – CR 8 – 5,850 – ratio 183
4 Palrethee (MM2): 8 HD – CR 8 – 5,850 – ratio 183
4 Zovvut (MM2): 10 HD – CR 9 – 6,600 – ratio 183
5 Bebilith: 12 HD – CR 10 – 8000 – ratio 160
5 Cerebrilith - 9 HD - CR 10 - 8000 - ratio 160
5 Marraenoloth (MM2): 10 HD – CR 10 – 8,000 – ratio 160
5 Yagnoloth (MM2): 10 HD – CR 10 – 8,000 – ratio 160
8 Malebranche (MM2): 16 HD – CR 9 – 16,500 – ratio 227
9 Alkilith (FF): 11 HD – CR 14 – 28,000 – ratio 222
9 Glabrezu: 12 HD – CR 12 – 24.000 – ratio 222
9 Jarilith (MM2): 10 HD – CR 13 – 26,000 – ratio 222
9 Lokogron Devil (ToM): 15 HD – CR 14 – 28,000 – ratio 222
9 Nabassu, Mature (FC1): 15 HD – CR 15 – 30,000 – ratio 222
9 Nalfeshnee: 14 HD – CR 14 – 28,000 – ratio 222
10 Arcanaloth (MM2): 12 HD – CR 17 – 34,000 – ratio 200
10 Horned Devil: 15HD – CR 16 – 32,000 – ratio 200

This is the total listing:
1 Imp - 3HD - CR 2 - 900 - ratio 450
1 Lemure - 2 HD - CR 1 - 450 - ratio 450
1 Quasit - 3HD - CR 2 - 900 - ratio 450
1 Dretch - 2 HD - CR 1 - 450 - ratio 450
1 Babau: 7 HD – CR 6 – 2,700 – ratio 450
1 Jovoc (MM2): 4 HD – CR 5 – 2,250 – ratio 450
1 Bearded Devil: 6 HD – CR 5 – 2,250 – ratio 450
1 Nabassu, Juvenile (FC1): 5 HD – CR 5 – 2,250 – ratio 450 [Can not grow mature]
2 Chain Devil: 8 HD – CR 6 – 3,100 – ratio 257
2 Succubus: 6 HD – CR7 – 3,600 – ratio 257
3 Amnizu (MM2): 9 HD – CR 7 – 4,900 – ratio 233
3 Hellcat: 8 HD – CR 7 – 4,900 – ratio 233
4 Bone Devil: 10 HD – CR 9 – 6,600 – ratio 183
4 Erinyes: 9 HD – CR 8 – 5,850 – ratio 183
4 Palrethee (MM2): 8 HD – CR 8 – 5,850 – ratio 183
4 Vrock: 10 HD – CR 9 – 6,600 – ratio 183
4 Zovvut (MM2): 10 HD – CR 9 – 6,600 – ratio 183
5 Bebilith: 12 HD – CR 10 – 8000 – ratio 160
5 Cauchemar Nightmare: 15 HD – CR 11 – 8,800 – ratio 160
5 Cerebrilith - 9 HD - CR 10 - 8000 - ratio 160
5 Marraenoloth (MM2): 10 HD – CR 10 – 8,000 – ratio 160
5 Yagnoloth (MM2): 10 HD – CR 10 – 8,000 – ratio 160
6 Retriever: 10 HD – CR 11 – 11,000 – ratio 167
7 Hezrou: 10 HD – CR 11 – 15,000 – ratio 195
8 Barbed Devil: 12 HD – CR 11 – 20,000 – ratio 227
8 Malebranche (MM2): 16 HD – CR 9 – 16,500 – ratio 227
9 Alkilith (FF): 11 HD – CR 14 – 28,000 – ratio 222
9 Glabrezu: 12 HD – CR 12 – 24.000 – ratio 222
9 Ice Devil: 14 HD – CR 13 – 26,000 – ratio 222
9 Jarilith (MM2): 10 HD – CR 13 – 26,000 – ratio 222
9 Lokogron Devil (ToM): 15 HD – CR 14 – 28,000 – ratio 222
9 Nabassu, Mature (FC1): 15 HD – CR 15 – 30,000 – ratio 222
9 Nalfeshnee: 14 HD – CR 14 – 28,000 – ratio 222
10 Arcanaloth (MM2): 12 HD – CR 17 – 34,000 – ratio 200
10 Horned Devil: 15HD – CR 16 – 32,000 – ratio 200
10 Marilith: 16 HD – CR 17 – 34,000 – ratio 200

Remember: Truespeak check to control is 15+(CR*2).

I'm willing to add more - maybe a complete epic fiendbinder sometime later - but I don't have all books. I could only work with MM1, MM2, ToM, XPH and some Web Excerpts here.
If you have a fiend you would like added, let me know the details.
Witch
04-18-07, 07:38 PM Crap. I just notice it doesn't include the epic ones. *sighs* I must've removed those. You can see a pattern in the cost though - which should allow you to calculate a price and a level. Perhaps the epic multiplier is in order after you beat CR20?

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Ariath Ska'Vhor 04-18-07, 07:05 PM	This is by far my favorite ToM prestige class, and I've been getting far more curious about epic level characters. I remember long ago seeing an epic progression (and suiting epic fiends) that go along with this class. I've been scouring the internet for quite some time now and I'm wondering if anyone has their own, or a link to someone else's handy. If there is indeed one out there, I'll be most appreciative. Thank you.:D
Witch 04-18-07, 07:28 PM	I've got an expanded fiendbinder laying around on my other computer. I'll post it when I get access to it. Note that it's mostly non-epic, but it eventually grants access to balors, pit fiends and an infernal.
Ariath Ska'Vhor 04-18-07, 07:31 PM	I've got an expanded fiendbinder laying around on my other computer. I'll post it when I get access to it. Note that it's mostly non-epic, but it eventually grants access to balors, pit fiends and an infernal. I'm diggin' that. Thanks in advance.
Witch 04-18-07, 07:36 PM	Managed to find it on a forum I posted it, so it's early: Because I find the list in Tome of Magic somewhat lacking, I decided to expand the fiendbinders lists of choices a bit. I'll make a few clarifications first: The level I put new fiends on was based on their challenge rating, and to lesser degree, their hit dice. If the difference in hit dice was higher than 1 compared to a fiend on the list in Tome of Magic, I generally put the new fiend on a higher level. The price was calculated according to the following formula: Level AvailableCRRatio (rounded up) “Level Available” implies the fiendbinder level you require before you can bind this fiend. “Ratio” implies a number which is connected to that level. I calculated the ratio for a certain level by dividing the price by (CRLevel Available). This leads to at least somewhat reliable prices. This is a list of the fiends in Tome of Magic, together with their Level Available, Hit Dice, CR, Price and Ratio: 1 Babau: 7 HD – CR 6 – 2,700 – ratio 450 2 Succubus: 6 HD – CR7 – 3,600 – ratio 257 3 Hellcat: 8 HD – CR 7 – 4,900 – ratio 233 4 Vrock: 10 HD – CR 9 – 6,600 – ratio 183 5 Cauchemar Nightmare: 15 HD – CR 11 – 8,800 – ratio 160 6 Retriever: 10 HD – CR 11 – 11,000 – ratio 167 7 Hezrou: 10 HD – CR 11 – 15,000 – ratio 195 8 Barbed Devil: 12 HD – CR 11 – 20,000 – ratio 227 9 Ice Devil: 14 HD – CR 13 – 26,000 – ratio 222 10 Marilith: 16 HD – CR 17 – 34,000 – ratio 200 This is a list with the new fiends, with the same factors listed. 1 Imp - 3HD - CR 2 - 900 - ratio 450 1 Lemure - 2 HD - CR 1 - 450 - ratio 450 1 Quasit - 3HD - CR 2 - 900 - ratio 450 1 Dretch - 2 HD - CR 1 - 450 - ratio 450 1 Bearded Devil: 6 HD – CR 5 – 2250 – ratio 450 1 Jovoc (MM2): 4 HD – CR 5 – 2250 – ratio 450 1 Nabassu, Juvenile (FC1): 5 HD – CR 5 – 2,250 – ratio 450 [Can not grow mature] 2 Chain Devil: 8 HD – CR 6 – 3,100 – ratio 257 3 Amnizu (MM2): 9 HD – CR 7 – 4,900 – ratio 233 4 Bone Devil: 10 HD – CR 9 – 6,600 – ratio 183 4 Erinyes: 9 HD – CR 8 – 5,850 – ratio 183 4 Palrethee (MM2): 8 HD – CR 8 – 5,850 – ratio 183 4 Zovvut (MM2): 10 HD – CR 9 – 6,600 – ratio 183 5 Bebilith: 12 HD – CR 10 – 8000 – ratio 160 5 Cerebrilith - 9 HD - CR 10 - 8000 - ratio 160 5 Marraenoloth (MM2): 10 HD – CR 10 – 8,000 – ratio 160 5 Yagnoloth (MM2): 10 HD – CR 10 – 8,000 – ratio 160 8 Malebranche (MM2): 16 HD – CR 9 – 16,500 – ratio 227 9 Alkilith (FF): 11 HD – CR 14 – 28,000 – ratio 222 9 Glabrezu: 12 HD – CR 12 – 24.000 – ratio 222 9 Jarilith (MM2): 10 HD – CR 13 – 26,000 – ratio 222 9 Lokogron Devil (ToM): 15 HD – CR 14 – 28,000 – ratio 222 9 Nabassu, Mature (FC1): 15 HD – CR 15 – 30,000 – ratio 222 9 Nalfeshnee: 14 HD – CR 14 – 28,000 – ratio 222 10 Arcanaloth (MM2): 12 HD – CR 17 – 34,000 – ratio 200 10 Horned Devil: 15HD – CR 16 – 32,000 – ratio 200 This is the total listing: 1 Imp - 3HD - CR 2 - 900 - ratio 450 1 Lemure - 2 HD - CR 1 - 450 - ratio 450 1 Quasit - 3HD - CR 2 - 900 - ratio 450 1 Dretch - 2 HD - CR 1 - 450 - ratio 450 1 Babau: 7 HD – CR 6 – 2,700 – ratio 450 1 Jovoc (MM2): 4 HD – CR 5 – 2,250 – ratio 450 1 Bearded Devil: 6 HD – CR 5 – 2,250 – ratio 450 1 Nabassu, Juvenile (FC1): 5 HD – CR 5 – 2,250 – ratio 450 [Can not grow mature] 2 Chain Devil: 8 HD – CR 6 – 3,100 – ratio 257 2 Succubus: 6 HD – CR7 – 3,600 – ratio 257 3 Amnizu (MM2): 9 HD – CR 7 – 4,900 – ratio 233 3 Hellcat: 8 HD – CR 7 – 4,900 – ratio 233 4 Bone Devil: 10 HD – CR 9 – 6,600 – ratio 183 4 Erinyes: 9 HD – CR 8 – 5,850 – ratio 183 4 Palrethee (MM2): 8 HD – CR 8 – 5,850 – ratio 183 4 Vrock: 10 HD – CR 9 – 6,600 – ratio 183 4 Zovvut (MM2): 10 HD – CR 9 – 6,600 – ratio 183 5 Bebilith: 12 HD – CR 10 – 8000 – ratio 160 5 Cauchemar Nightmare: 15 HD – CR 11 – 8,800 – ratio 160 5 Cerebrilith - 9 HD - CR 10 - 8000 - ratio 160 5 Marraenoloth (MM2): 10 HD – CR 10 – 8,000 – ratio 160 5 Yagnoloth (MM2): 10 HD – CR 10 – 8,000 – ratio 160 6 Retriever: 10 HD – CR 11 – 11,000 – ratio 167 7 Hezrou: 10 HD – CR 11 – 15,000 – ratio 195 8 Barbed Devil: 12 HD – CR 11 – 20,000 – ratio 227 8 Malebranche (MM2): 16 HD – CR 9 – 16,500 – ratio 227 9 Alkilith (FF): 11 HD – CR 14 – 28,000 – ratio 222 9 Glabrezu: 12 HD – CR 12 – 24.000 – ratio 222 9 Ice Devil: 14 HD – CR 13 – 26,000 – ratio 222 9 Jarilith (MM2): 10 HD – CR 13 – 26,000 – ratio 222 9 Lokogron Devil (ToM): 15 HD – CR 14 – 28,000 – ratio 222 9 Nabassu, Mature (FC1): 15 HD – CR 15 – 30,000 – ratio 222 9 Nalfeshnee: 14 HD – CR 14 – 28,000 – ratio 222 10 Arcanaloth (MM2): 12 HD – CR 17 – 34,000 – ratio 200 10 Horned Devil: 15HD – CR 16 – 32,000 – ratio 200 10 Marilith: 16 HD – CR 17 – 34,000 – ratio 200 Remember: Truespeak check to control is 15+(CR2). I'm willing to add more - maybe a complete epic fiendbinder sometime later - but I don't have all books. I could only work with MM1, MM2, ToM, XPH and some Web Excerpts here. If you have a fiend you would like added, let me know the details.
Witch 04-18-07, 07:38 PM	Crap. I just notice it doesn't include the epic ones. sighs I must've removed those. You can see a pattern in the cost though - which should allow you to calculate a price and a level. Perhaps the epic multiplier is in order after you beat CR20?