Epic Force Spells [Archive] - Wizards Community

Epic Force Spells [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
thorofasgard13
06-15-07, 04:02 AM I was wondering if anyone had any Idea what seed I can use for the [force] energy descriptor. Also Any Ideas for some cool epic force spells ( if possible can you keep the spellcraft DC below 55-60).
BillTheManiac
06-15-07, 06:45 AM This basically falls into ad hoc factors. Force is a more powerful energy type, so you might want to add +5 or +10. If you use dicefreaks' Feanmerc system you can make epic spells based on magic missile, bigby's hands, wall of force, etc.
lavekkia
06-16-07, 01:22 PM http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=590308
BillTheManiac
06-16-07, 01:44 PM Which were created using spells as seeds. There are some force spells in an issue of Dragon, you could use those as seeds.
thorofasgard13
06-18-07, 08:11 PM Ok this is cool and all, but how do I go about figuring out these seeds based on spells.
Thanks for the input.
BillTheManiac
06-18-07, 08:42 PM 12+2*spell level.
thorofasgard13
06-18-07, 08:57 PM 12+2*spell level.

Thanks, is there a book or any other sources that I can find these rules and what-not?

**Edit** Never Mind I found what I was looking for in the Epic Level Handbook footnotes
rob_douglas
06-19-07, 11:58 AM I thought it was 13+2*spell level. Take the number of ranks in Spellcraft that a sorcerer could have when he could cast the spell, and add 10 for an average check.

4th level spell, 8th level sorcerer, S/C 11, DC 21.

ROB
Witch
06-19-07, 12:11 PM This basically falls into ad hoc factors. Force is a more powerful energy type, so you might want to add +5 or +10. If you use dicefreaks' Feanmerc system you can make epic spells based on magic missile, bigby's hands, wall of force, etc.
The fact that it's posted on Dicefreaks doesn't make it specific to it ;) Feanmerc is Feanaro's and Mercucio's, though some of us at Dicefreaks use it.

I thought it was 13+2*spell level. Take the number of ranks in Spellcraft that a sorcerer could have when he could cast the spell, and add 10 for an average check.

4th level spell, 8th level sorcerer, S/C 11, DC 21.

ROB
It's 13 + [minimum wizard caster level to cast spell]. A 9th level spell thusly has a DC of 30, a first level spell has a DC of 14. At least, that's Mercucio's recent version - the original may have differed.
rob_douglas
06-19-07, 02:00 PM I may have read the thread fast, but why are we using Mercucio's seed DC version? The version in the ELH which has not been changed or errata'ed is to base it on Sorcerer casting (page 91, sidebar at the bottom). A 9th level spell has a DC 31.

For my own purposes, I prefer to use the Energy seed with a +10 ad hoc - I don't like more seeds, I prefer fewer.... :)

ROB
Witch
06-19-07, 02:01 PM There's a version in the ELH? I never even knew. Good point - I concede.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
thorofasgard13 06-15-07, 04:02 AM	I was wondering if anyone had any Idea what seed I can use for the [force] energy descriptor. Also Any Ideas for some cool epic force spells ( if possible can you keep the spellcraft DC below 55-60).
BillTheManiac 06-15-07, 06:45 AM	This basically falls into ad hoc factors. Force is a more powerful energy type, so you might want to add +5 or +10. If you use dicefreaks' Feanmerc system you can make epic spells based on magic missile, bigby's hands, wall of force, etc.
lavekkia 06-16-07, 01:22 PM	http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=590308
BillTheManiac 06-16-07, 01:44 PM	Which were created using spells as seeds. There are some force spells in an issue of Dragon, you could use those as seeds.
thorofasgard13 06-18-07, 08:11 PM	Ok this is cool and all, but how do I go about figuring out these seeds based on spells. Thanks for the input.
BillTheManiac 06-18-07, 08:42 PM	12+2*spell level.
thorofasgard13 06-18-07, 08:57 PM	12+2spell level. Thanks, is there a book or any other sources that I can find these rules and what-not? Edit* Never Mind I found what I was looking for in the Epic Level Handbook footnotes
rob_douglas 06-19-07, 11:58 AM	I thought it was 13+2*spell level. Take the number of ranks in Spellcraft that a sorcerer could have when he could cast the spell, and add 10 for an average check. 4th level spell, 8th level sorcerer, S/C 11, DC 21. ROB
Witch 06-19-07, 12:11 PM	This basically falls into ad hoc factors. Force is a more powerful energy type, so you might want to add +5 or +10. If you use dicefreaks' Feanmerc system you can make epic spells based on magic missile, bigby's hands, wall of force, etc. The fact that it's posted on Dicefreaks doesn't make it specific to it ;) Feanmerc is Feanaro's and Mercucio's, though some of us at Dicefreaks use it. I thought it was 13+2*spell level. Take the number of ranks in Spellcraft that a sorcerer could have when he could cast the spell, and add 10 for an average check. 4th level spell, 8th level sorcerer, S/C 11, DC 21. ROB It's 13 + [minimum wizard caster level to cast spell]. A 9th level spell thusly has a DC of 30, a first level spell has a DC of 14. At least, that's Mercucio's recent version - the original may have differed.
rob_douglas 06-19-07, 02:00 PM	I may have read the thread fast, but why are we using Mercucio's seed DC version? The version in the ELH which has not been changed or errata'ed is to base it on Sorcerer casting (page 91, sidebar at the bottom). A 9th level spell has a DC 31. For my own purposes, I prefer to use the Energy seed with a +10 ad hoc - I don't like more seeds, I prefer fewer.... :) ROB
Witch 06-19-07, 02:01 PM	There's a version in the ELH? I never even knew. Good point - I concede.