Epic Martial Adepts [Archive] - Wizards Community

Epic Martial Adepts [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Mad_Wizard
09-07-07, 08:09 PM Are there any rules for epic characters using book of nine swords classes? If so, could you link to them, or tell me where I could find them? For example, can I create a level 30 warblade?
BillTheManiac
09-08-07, 08:08 AM Here. (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=905987)
Taeldrin Laesrash
09-08-07, 11:05 AM Here's rules for an epic Warblade. (http://community.dicefreaks.com/viewtopic.php?t=5454) Rules for epic maneuvers as a whole have not been agreed upon, though there are a few minor systems.
BillTheManiac
09-08-07, 12:39 PM Here's rules for an epic Warblade. (http://community.dicefreaks.com/viewtopic.php?t=5454) Rules for epic maneuvers as a whole have not been agreed upon, though there are a few minor systems.

It seems reasonable to base it on the only kinda-sorta-balanced epic spell system I know, Feanmerc.
Taeldrin Laesrash
09-08-07, 06:38 PM You could conceivably make an Epic Manuever, but all it would do is deal more damage. Normal spells, augmented by metamagic, deal more damage than epic spells. Is it a stretch to say that metamaneuver feats would deal more damage than epic maneuvers, thus rendering such a system pointless?
IceFractal
09-09-07, 03:54 AM For that reason, I think it may be worth it to use manuever-altering feats exclusively instead of Epic manuevers.

For instance, Epic metamanuever feats could let you turn a strike into an attack action or boost, or combine multiple strikes/counters together. This would give a similar effect to Epic manuevers, while being more interesting than a generic damage-boost, and more general than making specific Epic manuevers.

If you wanted to continue the Bo9S paradigm, you could make these metamanuevers a special class of manuever themselves - lets call them Styles.
Martial Style [Epic]
Prerequisites: Martial Lore 23 ranks, ...
Benefit: You learn and can prepare a Martial Style. Martial Styles are prepared like Manuevers, but not recovered the same way. You can recover one Style by taking a full round action which provokes AoOs.
Special: This feat can be taken more than once. Each time you take it, you learn and can prepare one more Style. The number of ranks in Martial Lore required increases by X each time you take it.

Master of Myriad Styles [Epic]
Prerequisites: Heavy, requires 30+, maybe even 40+ level.
Benefit: You recover your Styles whenever you recover your normal manuevers.
BillTheManiac
09-09-07, 09:03 AM You could conceivably make an Epic Manuever, but all it would do is deal more damage. Normal spells, augmented by metamagic, deal more damage than epic spells. Is it a stretch to say that metamaneuver feats would deal more damage than epic maneuvers, thus rendering such a system pointless?

Actually, the way the feanmerc system works, its better then metamagic. It's +1 level per +10 DC

Energy Admixture is +19, or 2 levels
Enhance Spell is +10, or 1 level.
Quicken Spell is +28, or 3 levels.
etc.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Mad_Wizard 09-07-07, 08:09 PM	Are there any rules for epic characters using book of nine swords classes? If so, could you link to them, or tell me where I could find them? For example, can I create a level 30 warblade?
BillTheManiac 09-08-07, 08:08 AM	Here. (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=905987)
Taeldrin Laesrash 09-08-07, 11:05 AM	Here's rules for an epic Warblade. (http://community.dicefreaks.com/viewtopic.php?t=5454) Rules for epic maneuvers as a whole have not been agreed upon, though there are a few minor systems.
BillTheManiac 09-08-07, 12:39 PM	Here's rules for an epic Warblade. (http://community.dicefreaks.com/viewtopic.php?t=5454) Rules for epic maneuvers as a whole have not been agreed upon, though there are a few minor systems. It seems reasonable to base it on the only kinda-sorta-balanced epic spell system I know, Feanmerc.
Taeldrin Laesrash 09-08-07, 06:38 PM	You could conceivably make an Epic Manuever, but all it would do is deal more damage. Normal spells, augmented by metamagic, deal more damage than epic spells. Is it a stretch to say that metamaneuver feats would deal more damage than epic maneuvers, thus rendering such a system pointless?
IceFractal 09-09-07, 03:54 AM	For that reason, I think it may be worth it to use manuever-altering feats exclusively instead of Epic manuevers. For instance, Epic metamanuever feats could let you turn a strike into an attack action or boost, or combine multiple strikes/counters together. This would give a similar effect to Epic manuevers, while being more interesting than a generic damage-boost, and more general than making specific Epic manuevers. If you wanted to continue the Bo9S paradigm, you could make these metamanuevers a special class of manuever themselves - lets call them Styles. Martial Style [Epic] Prerequisites: Martial Lore 23 ranks, ... Benefit: You learn and can prepare a Martial Style. Martial Styles are prepared like Manuevers, but not recovered the same way. You can recover one Style by taking a full round action which provokes AoOs. Special: This feat can be taken more than once. Each time you take it, you learn and can prepare one more Style. The number of ranks in Martial Lore required increases by X each time you take it. Master of Myriad Styles [Epic] Prerequisites: Heavy, requires 30+, maybe even 40+ level. Benefit: You recover your Styles whenever you recover your normal manuevers.
BillTheManiac 09-09-07, 09:03 AM	You could conceivably make an Epic Manuever, but all it would do is deal more damage. Normal spells, augmented by metamagic, deal more damage than epic spells. Is it a stretch to say that metamaneuver feats would deal more damage than epic maneuvers, thus rendering such a system pointless? Actually, the way the feanmerc system works, its better then metamagic. It's +1 level per +10 DC Energy Admixture is +19, or 2 levels Enhance Spell is +10, or 1 level. Quicken Spell is +28, or 3 levels. etc.