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Avatar of Kokusho 07-21-07, 11:08 AM	See thread title, I would appreciate it if anyone knew if there is such a thing, and if, where is it? Thanks in advance.
Taeldrin Laesrash 07-21-07, 12:08 PM	Find the Shifter Epic Progression (In the old Epic Insights column), and work it out from there. Mostly, I think, it should just be advancing wild shape times per day, and have maybe a feat/3 levels bonus feats progression. You might also want to make an epic feat that allows you to access a form's supernatural abilities once a day or so.
Kaladon7779 07-21-07, 01:00 PM	Some prestige classes don't get an epic progression becouse of how powerfull it is. Master of Many Forms is one of them. there are in fact GM's that don't even allow this prestige class in there games becouse of how powerfull it is, to add an epic progression side isn't munchkinizing but straight up Overpowering. Sorry man, buf If you were in my campaign I'd say you have to just progress Druid if you want to keep raising the Hit die of Giant Monsters you can turn into
Taeldrin Laesrash 07-21-07, 01:50 PM	Some prestige classes don't get an epic progression becouse of how powerfull it is. Master of Many Forms is one of them. there are in fact GM's that don't even allow this prestige class in there games becouse of how powerfull it is, to add an epic progression side isn't munchkinizing but straight up Overpowering. Sorry man, buf If you were in my campaign I'd say you have to just progress Druid if you want to keep raising the Hit die of Giant Monsters you can turn into Feh. They made a progression for the Incantatrix, didn't they? It's not terrible, compared to the old Shifter. An epic progression isn't munchkinized, either. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it illegal.
Kaladon7779 07-21-07, 02:45 PM	Just because you don't like it doesn't make it illegal. I didn't say Illegal, I said overpowering, I mean the fact that you can already turn into a Giant size monster like a Stone Giant for hours, then put on equipment and get bumps from that and still cast your druid spells in that form is extremely tough. there's a fine line between balance and overpowered compared to other classes. And that prestige class really puts that line up to the test. Argueable, with this prestige class, it makes druids the most powerfull class in the game. So with classes like this, they don't need an epic progression.
Taeldrin Laesrash 07-21-07, 03:09 PM	The Druid already was the most powerful class in the game. This just specializes the class; they give up their spells, animal companion, and a few other things to focus on their wild shape. Don't blame the PrC. What about the Shifter? The MoMF is a watered-down rendition of it.
Avatar of Kokusho 07-21-07, 07:13 PM	The Druid already was the most powerful class in the game. This just specializes the class; they give up their spells, animal companion, and a few other things to focus on their wild shape. Don't blame the PrC. What about the Shifter? The MoMF is a watered-down rendition of it. QFT. At any rate, I did find the epic progression for the Shifter, and it's fairly easy to go from there, considering that the player in question (not me, I'm the DM this time) tried to get me to give him a progression that allowed you to wildshape into constructs, undead, and outsiders.... I'm a heck of a lot more comfortable allowing the Epic Wildshape 1/day.:) Thanks for the input, guys. Oh, and if anyone thinks an epic MoMF is broken, try the guy who showed me an epic Planar Shepherd build...:OMG!
Kaladon7779 07-21-07, 07:59 PM	I'm a heck of a lot more comfortable allowing the Epic Wildshape 1/day.:) The druid epic progression already does this Avatar, If a player is wanting this, then I think he's trying to weazle a way into getting faster epic progression. Don't be tricked by players that want to invent epic progression classes. Like I said, some classes are not ment to have an epic progression. But here check out the standard Epic Druid. http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/classProgressions.htm#epicDruid
archerpwr 07-21-07, 11:33 PM	The Druid already was the most powerful class in the game. This just specializes the class; they give up their spells, animal companion, and a few other things to focus on their wild shape. Don't blame the PrC. What about the Shifter? The MoMF is a watered-down rendition of it. +1 Example: Druid 30. Shapechanges into a balor, enjoys epic spellcasting, and calls it a day. Druid 5/ Warshaper 5/ MoMF 20 Looks at druid 30 and says, "What!?"
NinjaPenguin 07-23-07, 12:45 PM	I agree that Master of Many Forms is not operpowered. You givew up a lot to get that wildhsaping versitility, and then get overshadowed by Shapechange. If anything, the Master needs something to give him a boost in epic to keep pace.
Taeldrin Laesrash 07-23-07, 01:10 PM	The druid epic progression already does this Avatar, If a player is wanting this, then I think he's trying to weazle a way into getting faster epic progression. Don't be tricked by players that want to invent epic progression classes. Like I said, some classes are not ment to have an epic progression. But here check out the standard Epic Druid. http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/classProgressions.htm#epicDruid I'm not seeing this. The Epic Shifter can do this, the Divine Druid SDA can do this, I don't see this ability on the Epic Druid's page, or a bonus feat for it.
strenoth 07-23-07, 08:44 PM	not exactly the same, but Improved Elemental Wildshape is potentially insane, and may allow you to take the form of some elemental construct if there is one. Vermin wildshape... well, there are a few nasty vermin out there. Plant wildshape.. eh Dragon Wildshape, hmm, well, not overwhelming, but potentially useful. Now, magical Beast... oh, this one is some serious danger, given that it grants you all SU abilities.