Epic Truenamer, Epic Utterances [Archive] - Wizards Community

Epic Truenamer, Epic Utterances [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Scorpions_are_cool_
03-23-08, 12:57 AM So I figure the epic progression for the Truenamer from Tome of Magic is pretty simple but what about Epic Utterances? Would they be built with seeds and factors like Epic Spells and would they use Spellcraft or maybe the Truespeech skill? Would they fit into Lexicons at all or maybe form an all new Lexicon?

Please post your ideas here.
Bonzai
03-25-08, 12:08 PM I would have be some epic recitation feats. Ones that require you to know the targets personal true name.

An example of which, would be an recitation that lets you, and or any targets you designate (whose truenames you know), to teleport without error, anywhere on any plane. You must succeed on a truespeak check for each truename you speak. You must also have observed the place you want to teleport to.

Or another example would be one that lets you Scy, locate, detect thoughts, and send mental messages to them where ever they are.

The thought being that knowing a personal true name name should give you some major power over some one.

Another idea was some kinds of words of creation, allowing the true namer to will things into existance with a truespeak check, and an xp cost. Have three versions of them, lesser, standard, and greater. Lesser allowing you to creat mundane objects, standard allowing you to creat living things, and major allowing you to create magical things.
Scorpions_are_cool_
04-11-08, 11:35 PM I was thinking more along the lines of epic Lexicons. Obviously the regular progression would stop but the necessary Expanded Utterance Capacity feat, would it need to be a separate feat for each lexicon?
i.e Expanded Utterance Capacity of the Evolving Mind

Also would a seed system similar to the one in epic level handbook be necessary to make them compare to spellcasters?
Yue Ryong
04-12-08, 07:17 AM I've felt that the system of 'seeds' fits far better with Truenaming than it ever did spellcasting, given how Truenaming is less about shaping raw magic and more about commanding the universe to function in these specific ways.
Scorpions_are_cool_
04-12-08, 02:41 PM I agree. What would the seeds be though? How about a Seed of the Evolving Mind, a Seed of the Crafted Tool, and a Seed of the Perfected Map with smaller seeds inside each one such as fortify and ward like from the epic level handbook? Would the seeds use a spellcraft check or truespeak?
Eldritch_Lord
04-17-08, 12:23 AM I agree. What would the seeds be though? How about a Seed of the Evolving Mind, a Seed of the Crafted Tool, and a Seed of the Perfected Map with smaller seeds inside each one such as fortify and ward like from the epic level handbook? Would the seeds use a spellcraft check or truespeak?

I'd suggest making (an) additional lexicon(s) instead of using the three given; there's less to work with conceptually using utterances incomparison to Vancian magic, so making up a Seed of the Truename Incarnate (or something else suitably epic-sounding) would both distinguish the epic utterances and let the utterances do something other than the given 3, like create a free-standing castle (almost Perfected Map, but doesn't really deal with the earth) or summoning a powerful truename-compelled outsider (sort of Evolving Mind, but not really).
drake_vampiel_d
04-17-08, 11:07 PM could someone do up a chart for truenamer progression past 20th lev?
jstewaf
04-29-08, 03:47 AM I have a 13 truenamer/9 psion (seer) right now. I'm trying to think of epic feats for truenamers along with epic spells. I'm sure epic truenamer's are gonna pick epic skill focus as there first epic feat. Maybe a epic feat that lowers the increase in truespeak checks by half when using metamagic feats like extend and quicken. But for epic utterance's i don't know where to start.

I made a couple of feats if anybody would like to use them.
-Practiced speaker=acts as practiced spellcaster(manifester)
-True Aptitude=acts as magical aptitude except a +2 on truespeak instead of spellcraft

For epic progression the only thing i think will keep going is the knowledge focus. Any more idea's please post

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Scorpions_are_cool_ 03-23-08, 12:57 AM	So I figure the epic progression for the Truenamer from Tome of Magic is pretty simple but what about Epic Utterances? Would they be built with seeds and factors like Epic Spells and would they use Spellcraft or maybe the Truespeech skill? Would they fit into Lexicons at all or maybe form an all new Lexicon? Please post your ideas here.
Bonzai 03-25-08, 12:08 PM	I would have be some epic recitation feats. Ones that require you to know the targets personal true name. An example of which, would be an recitation that lets you, and or any targets you designate (whose truenames you know), to teleport without error, anywhere on any plane. You must succeed on a truespeak check for each truename you speak. You must also have observed the place you want to teleport to. Or another example would be one that lets you Scy, locate, detect thoughts, and send mental messages to them where ever they are. The thought being that knowing a personal true name name should give you some major power over some one. Another idea was some kinds of words of creation, allowing the true namer to will things into existance with a truespeak check, and an xp cost. Have three versions of them, lesser, standard, and greater. Lesser allowing you to creat mundane objects, standard allowing you to creat living things, and major allowing you to create magical things.
Scorpions_are_cool_ 04-11-08, 11:35 PM	I was thinking more along the lines of epic Lexicons. Obviously the regular progression would stop but the necessary Expanded Utterance Capacity feat, would it need to be a separate feat for each lexicon? i.e Expanded Utterance Capacity of the Evolving Mind Also would a seed system similar to the one in epic level handbook be necessary to make them compare to spellcasters?
Yue Ryong 04-12-08, 07:17 AM	I've felt that the system of 'seeds' fits far better with Truenaming than it ever did spellcasting, given how Truenaming is less about shaping raw magic and more about commanding the universe to function in these specific ways.
Scorpions_are_cool_ 04-12-08, 02:41 PM	I agree. What would the seeds be though? How about a Seed of the Evolving Mind, a Seed of the Crafted Tool, and a Seed of the Perfected Map with smaller seeds inside each one such as fortify and ward like from the epic level handbook? Would the seeds use a spellcraft check or truespeak?
Eldritch_Lord 04-17-08, 12:23 AM	I agree. What would the seeds be though? How about a Seed of the Evolving Mind, a Seed of the Crafted Tool, and a Seed of the Perfected Map with smaller seeds inside each one such as fortify and ward like from the epic level handbook? Would the seeds use a spellcraft check or truespeak? I'd suggest making (an) additional lexicon(s) instead of using the three given; there's less to work with conceptually using utterances incomparison to Vancian magic, so making up a Seed of the Truename Incarnate (or something else suitably epic-sounding) would both distinguish the epic utterances and let the utterances do something other than the given 3, like create a free-standing castle (almost Perfected Map, but doesn't really deal with the earth) or summoning a powerful truename-compelled outsider (sort of Evolving Mind, but not really).
drake_vampiel_d 04-17-08, 11:07 PM	could someone do up a chart for truenamer progression past 20th lev?
jstewaf 04-29-08, 03:47 AM	I have a 13 truenamer/9 psion (seer) right now. I'm trying to think of epic feats for truenamers along with epic spells. I'm sure epic truenamer's are gonna pick epic skill focus as there first epic feat. Maybe a epic feat that lowers the increase in truespeak checks by half when using metamagic feats like extend and quicken. But for epic utterance's i don't know where to start. I made a couple of feats if anybody would like to use them. -Practiced speaker=acts as practiced spellcaster(manifester) -True Aptitude=acts as magical aptitude except a +2 on truespeak instead of spellcraft For epic progression the only thing i think will keep going is the knowledge focus. Any more idea's please post